Is it true

Stedoc

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

Me/R

i was doign a mission and some one asked if level 20 was the highest, which it is but the person responded saying that the highest lvl being 20 is being increased to 50 in the fall.. is this true

i hope it is.. im already lvl 20 and ive been playing for a week

fiery

fiery

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2005

maryland

InYurFace Gaming [IYF]

R/

No, A.net said the level cap will NEVER be raised.

Stedoc

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

Me/R

why thats so stupid.. LVL 20 is way to easy to get to

Mournblade

Mournblade

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

Houston, Texas

Dawn Treaders [DAWN]

W/Mo

Thats because the game isn't about getting to level 20.

Stedoc

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

Me/R

so now that im at lvl 20 my guy cant get much better except armor and weapons.. kinda takes away the fun of building up ur character

fiery

fiery

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2005

maryland

InYurFace Gaming [IYF]

R/

You get skill points to get more skills and to get skills for your secondary, if you want to grind to LEVEL 60 go play WoW, grind to LEVEL 99 go play Diablo LOD, GW is not a grinding game. Level is not skill, just how you play.

Kidney Licker

Kidney Licker

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Europe Server

You can still develop your character by capping more elites and experimenting with different secondaries, or even aiming for titles ><.

gamecube187

gamecube187

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

If you want, you can try to get EVERY skill in the game for all profesions with all your characters, but that will take so incredibly long...

Buzzer

Buzzer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Australia

Raising the level cap will not benefit the game in any way.

Former Ruling

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Cedartown, Georgia

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stedoc
so now that im at lvl 20 my guy cant get much better except armor and weapons.. kinda takes away the fun of building up ur character
If building up a character was your goal in the game, I might suggest playing World of Warcraft, it is the best game out there right now for that type of gameplay.

Dark Dragon

Dark Dragon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

RTD

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzzer
Raising the level cap will not benefit the game in any way.
Rasing the level cap would make the game alot easier ie alot atrrib points to spend

Kaguya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Moon

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Dragon
Rasing the level cap would make the game alot easier ie alot atrrib points to spend
Not really. If the players level up to L50, the monsters will be L50 as well, and have more attributes to spend. And in PvP all your foes have the same amount of attribute points, so they are equally tough as if it were at levelcap 20.

All skills would have to be rebalanced, since you could have pretty long enchants and stances at that amount of attribute points..

Of course, if attribute level caps per skill would be lifted.

L20 level cap is good. Having level cap at L50 would make no difference, just increase the grind, which we don't want, do we?

Marty Silverblade

Marty Silverblade

Administrator

Join Date: Jun 2006

The level cap is good because...
1) It's not too hard to reach, and people saying they get it in a few days should remember that some people are casual players or have school/work during the day and cannot always play.

2) Anet has said it sooooooooooooooooooo many times. They want players to be good because of personal skill, not because they can spend 2 more hours than most people killing trolls.

3) All the skills and attributes are fixed appropriatly and would need seroius fixing (and therefore GW might be down for a long time for Anet to change it) when it was not necessary.

4)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaguya
If the players level up to L50, the monsters will be L50 as well
Anet would also have to fix every single monster in the game. Thats a hell of a lot. BTW, if we got to lvl 50, the monsters would be lvl 62 or something.

5) Health would have to be modified so there is less per lvl, or raise the health lvl cap. Raising the health lvl cap would cause things such as sup vigor rune prices to drop dramatically due to 50hp being worth almost nothing.

There. All you people who think the level cap should be raised should read those 5 reasons. They speak for themselves.

elsalamandra

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

Why want more level standard.

Level 20 is ok.

If the levels are increased, and as mentioned above, the monsters would have the same proportion increment.

waste of time if you ask me.

al i said level 20 is ok

Zakarr

Zakarr

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Finland

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stedoc
so now that im at lvl 20 my guy cant get much better except armor and weapons.. kinda takes away the fun of building up ur character
Character building happens in your brains. Find out good skill combinations for different situations, train your timing, positioning, reaction speed and awareness. Communicate with your team.

Your character gets better when YOU learn rather than spending huge amount of time for grinding experience.

There is always WoW if you want traditional character building. Reaching level 20 is like completing the tutorial in Guild Wars. Your character is ready but it is up to you, how well you control your character.

Tark Alkerk

Tark Alkerk

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

In a Black Hole

less

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stedoc
why thats so stupid.. LVL 20 is way to easy to get to
Guild wars is about player skill not the fact that some people can afford to bash
monsters a lot longer than others.

squan

squan

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2006

Rotterdam (The Netherlands)

Rotterdam Pride

Mo/

GW PvE is way to small for lvl 50 or higher chars.
in fact GW is more for the PvP players.
WoW is a much bigger game so that is why the level can go higher. but the PvP of WoW is crap. that is why GW is in my oppinion the best PvP game. and if you are a PvE player and you got all chars to lvl 20. just go farming. there are enough farming area's in the game. like the elite missions, UW, FOW.
and if you get bored farming or other region has favor, then try to win the favor back. or play GvG.

Slainster

Slainster

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stedoc
so now that im at lvl 20 my guy cant get much better except armor and weapons.. kinda takes away the fun of building up ur character
.. i think you're missing the point.. aspointed out.. its not about leveling.. its about personal skill

Silent Kitty

Silent Kitty

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Netherlands

[TYW] "The Young World"

A/Me

Yes, when you are lvl 20 you get stronger and stronger monsters to fight. Making this a game of wits and intelligence, instead of uber leet items and level grinding. You will see that you won't get much good items either, unless you like to become a farmer.

elsalamandra

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

With all due respects, and without any prejudice, I do not agree that this game is more for PvP than for PvE.

That PvP spoils the skills for PvE, no doubt about that, look at IWAY etc.

To enter into a discussion about PvP here is really

This is a role playing game and even though there is a very clear division between the hardcore pvp'ers and us the PvE'ers, this game would never have the same success it has if one of these two elements were removed.

majoho

majoho

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Denmark

@OP this isn't just aonther endless level RPG, go play one of those if that's what you're looking for.

Nexium

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

this really anoy's me it's always buhuh lvl20 too low well cry me a f-ing river the game aint about spending a month just lvl'ing it's about caping skill's and team work,why do you want it too be some crapy version of WoW?
better yet play something else!
you d know if thet raise the lvl cap we whould have outrages hp and attack's that do 500-900+Dmg that just suck's..

Minus Sign

Minus Sign

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Mo/N

I strongly disagree that you can't keep tweeking your character or that 1 lvl 20 is as good as any other of the same profession/alt.

People spend hours farming for money in this game for perfect weapon mods for a PvE character to compete in PvP or more easily pass hard missions and farm. many Runes are expensive for a reason: they boost attributes, health or damage reduction beyond what an non-runed lvl 20 could get.

Instead of the constant search for level 50 and the uber skills/weapons and armor that give me 100 DPS, its all about squeezing 1 more hitpoint out of the system, tweeking my build just that little bit more that makes it sing so sweetly. You want to craft items? Buddy, I craft CHARACTERS!

I think the obsession with higher levels and grind is just misplaced disgruntlement. If you want grind, farm gold and items. If you want to show off, take your tricked out lvl 20 to an early mission and nubstomp Grawls/Stricken enemies for free (all the younglings have to do is listen while you Ctrl+click your greens at them). Uber level 50 abilites? End game Elites. they're hard to get because they're better with preffered skills, not just random chance.

there's plenty of things people who like grind can do to enhance their PvE character. Just not the same thing, day in, day out, same place, same people to the point that by the time you leave that area you never want to come back. Except THK. No one wants to go back there...at least, none of the other in-game masocists I've met...

My warrior is the same warrior i've had since the first week I bought the game, and I'm still in constant search for those little touches that will make her pwn just a little more with the next build I or another pwerson comes up with.

When you think about it that way? Life begins at level 20.

Stedoc

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

Me/R

alright alright u guys r right.. dont get me wrong i love them game but i see what u guys mean

thanks

frickett

frickett

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Shinigami Keys [SHIN]

R/Mo

I really like leveling up my characters. I like the process. For me it is about the journey, not the destination. Even though I have Factions, I like the fact that you werent max level until like 2/3 of prophecy. If I wanted to start at max level I would play adventure games, not RPG's. But anyway. Yeah They have said that Level 20 as the max is something they dont plan on changing, Once you reach level 20 your character is fully trained, and ready to take on the world, or something like that.

wsmcasey

wsmcasey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Right behind you.

HeRo

W/Rt

Quote:
Originally Posted by fiery
GW is not a grinding game.
You could not be further from the truth!

Sure, you don't have to "grind" if your happy and content with a white max damage weapon and substandard armor (Enjoy!). This is not the case for 99% of the Guild Wars population that plays PvE. The casual PvE and PvP player will not really experience "grind" if they decide that they want basically "nothing" from the game, but for everyone else there is "grind".

PvP Grind:
If you wana be good in PvP you need to grind faction to unlock the skills and mods necessary to compete with the best. You need to learn the skills and builds that you use and other players use. In order to compete with the best you need to prove yourself to others, make connections, and aquire a high enough rank to be accepted by other high ranking players and guilds. (otherwise you are ignored by the best and might as well play Random Arena). Its a massive grind in PvP just to aquire rank 3, and alot of people take the cheap way out and play IWAY to get there. I suppose GvG is a different story, but I'm sure it has it's fair share of grind and a lot of the same issues should apply.

PvE:
Your not getting FOW armor, 15k armor, or even 1.5k and collector armor without "grind".

Max damage gold rare weapons and greens require "grind" to get them. You either farm or trade for them, which can take a great deal of time, especially if your new to the game and have no gold to spend. Unfortunately this will lead most people to farming and trading which is major "GRIND". You might get lucky and get a perfect drop, but those are few and far between. Chest farming is also another way to go.

It's possible that Anet intended to make this game "grind free", but that just didn't happen. Don't try and tell me otherwise because you will be wrong.

I don't really care that much about exceeding the level cap past 20, but I would enjoy a few more character development options. Maybe if you could unlock special character features after obtaining a certain amount of experience, like the option to make you character look older and wiser. My level 20 warrior has 3mil exp, but still looks young and wet behind the ears.

Gorebrex

Gorebrex

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by wsmcasey
You could not be further from the truth!...
PvE:
Your not getting FOW armor, 15k armor, or even 1.5k and collector armor without "grind".
Got my collector armor with stuff I picked up while on quests, have leggings from Droks, Havent got tunic yet, probably wont bother with boots and gloves.
Quote:
Originally Posted by wsmcasey
Max damage gold rare weapons and greens require "grind" to get them. You either farm or trade for them, which can take a great deal of time, especially if your new to the game and have no gold to spend. Unfortunately this will lead most people to farming and trading which is major "GRIND". You might get lucky and get a perfect drop, but those are few and far between. Chest farming is also another way to go.
My lvl 18 warrior has a purple max damage firey gladius, that Im perfectly happy with. I actually didnt know it was max damage untill I looked up max damages after finding a gold ebon hammer of defense. Someone asked if it was max, I didnt know, looked it up. If there was any grind involved, I didnt feel it. If getting "uber" items is your thing, fine, but it holds no real interest for me.
Quote:
Originally Posted by wsmcasey
It's possible that Anet intended to make this game "grind free", but that just didn't happen. Don't try and tell me otherwise because you will be wrong.
I don't really care that much about exceeding the level cap past 20, but I would enjoy a few more character development options. Maybe if you could unlock special character features after obtaining a certain amount of experience, like the option to make you character look older and wiser. My level 20 warrior has 3mil exp, but still looks young and wet behind the ears.
Id also like a few more options there. As to characters looking "older and wiser", how much time has really passed between first arriving in post sear and ascension, for example. It was only 2 years we were off with Rurik, hunting the boss monster(forgot name), so if characters start at 18, youd be 20 on first arriving in post.

wsmcasey

wsmcasey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Right behind you.

HeRo

W/Rt

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gorebrex
Got my collector armor with stuff I picked up while on quests, have leggings from Droks, Havent got tunic yet, probably wont bother with boots and gloves.
because then it would be a grind.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gorebrex
If getting "uber" items is your thing, fine, but it holds no real interest for me.
And that fine. I can't speak for most players, but it's quite obvious that with the amount of trading going on that alot of players grind for the so called "uber" items. It's not necessarily my thing either, but I've played Guild Wars since its release last year and I don't think I could have been happy with the same old purple max damage item forever. Eventually you might want a change to something new or even better. You might luck out and get a good drop thats a better item, but chances are you will have to trade for the item that you really want, or farm for it if you can't afford it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gorebrex
Id also like a few more options there. As to characters looking "older and wiser", how much time has really passed between first arriving in post sear and ascension, for example. It was only 2 years we were off with Rurik, hunting the boss monster(forgot name), so if characters start at 18, youd be 20 on first arriving in post.
Maybe some different unlocks and upgrades possibly. New facial features and hair unlocks and other visual upgrades, maybe with jewelry! Introduce new runes that can be added to enhance weapons and armor in ways that will keep pvp and pve balanced yet still make your character unique. I think making your character unique is the really problem that I see. I've customized my characters to the best of my abilities, yet I still run into clones of myself all the time. I truly want my character to be different from anyone elses, but thats just not possible in this game.

Fungus Amongus

Fungus Amongus

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare] | [Rare] Alliance

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zakarr
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stedoc
so now that im at lvl 20 my guy cant get much better except armor and weapons.. kinda takes away the fun of building up ur character
Character building happens in your brains. Find out good skill combinations for different situations, train your timing, positioning, reaction speed and awareness. Communicate with your team.

Your character gets better when YOU learn rather than spending huge amount of time for grinding experience.
This is what's it's all about. It's not about your guy getting stronger, it's about you getting smarter.

PsychoX

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/Mo

raising the level cap would be detrimental to the overall game... since it is about skill. it is balanced now... no need for 400 more attribute points.

squan

squan

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2006

Rotterdam (The Netherlands)

Rotterdam Pride

Mo/

level 20 is good for GW. the game is way to small for higher levels.
Btw. you can go to lvl 20 in 1 day. if the max goes to lvl 40 its just 2 days extra farming XP.

btw the lvl is worthless. its the way how you use your skills. just see it as a puzzle. so many skills, but you can only use 8.

baz777

baz777

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

South East England

Leader: Lady Hairy Armpits S[mell]

E/

Getting a character to level 20 is the easy part.

Playing that character well - that's a much harder proposition!

I Mean I

I Mean I

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

in my guild hall afk

Ar Vin Pvp[AMp]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaguya
All skills would have to be rebalanced, since you could have pretty long enchants and stances at that amount of attribute points..
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