Time to reveal my secret build pvp/pve

Blind Rage

Blind Rage

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

New Zealand

Inyurface Gaming [IYF]

Okay, I have tried to keep this a secret among guildies and the like, and i have decided to spill the beans on one of the hearty assasin builds ( shadow form doesnt count xD)

A/Me

16 Shadow
12 Illusion Magic
3 Inspiration -or- where ever you like


Illusionary Weaponry {e}
Illusion of Weakness
Conjure Phatasm
Dark Escape
Deaths Charge
Shadow Refuge
Heart of Shadow
-whatever-
Res.

Sometimes I switch around skills with Physical Resistance and Elemental Resistance.


Now.... The core of this build are two skills.....

Dark Escape
For 5...13 seconds, you move 25% faster and take half damage. Dark escape ends if you successfully hit with an attack.

-and-

Illusionary Weaponry
For 30 seconds, you deal no damage in melee, but whenever you attack in melee, target foe takes 8-34 damage.



Everytime I think about these 2 skills i feel like something inside me has... awakened...

It's these skills which form the core of the defence, and the core of the offence. Since technically while under the enchantment of Illusionary Weaponry your not landing any attacks, therefore you can never "successfully" hit your opponent which means you can stay in Dark Escape while running down your oppenent, doing 34 damage each attack... no matter what.... the aim is also to try be in Shadow Refuge for as long as possible, constantly, that means you shouldnt go too low on health if the battle increases intensity. When Dark Escape ends it is best to go on defensive, by either bringing a "resistance skill" from the Mesmer-Inspiration group -Or- by constantly using Heart Of Shadow. When the time comes that your barely holding on to your life by a thread, something most assasins are familiar with... Illusion of Weakness is your little 200~ hp pick-me-up.

here is my build, i have been refining it constantly. (i know about the no increased speed thingy..)

please feel free to comment on my build.

Thanks for letting me share my secret

Epinephrine

Epinephrine

Master of Beasts

Join Date: Mar 2005

Ottawa, Canada

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

Yes, I like this too. Posted a build a while back on www.gwkb.org it's a nice combo. Mine is a runner-killer for GvG, works pretty well too.

Here it is, Cursorcide.

It disappeared without a trace into the builds there, but I've used it pretty successfully killing runners. Timing the Entangling Asp to their heal (well, versus Troll Unguent/Healing Signet - otherwise it's harder to do) is important.

Sir Mad

Sir Mad

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Moe's Pub

Pigs Can Fly [Pigs]

R/

I am impressed by the ingeniosity of this build - the combinaison of Dark Escape and Illusionary Weapon but at the same time I wonder if it wouldn't be better with a Me/A instead. Having 16 shadow makes you gain 3 secs (16 secs for 30 sec recharge) compared to a player with 12. Since you rely on Me skills to deal damage, wouldn't 16 illusion be better? But this is just a thought, I have tried none of the 2 builds.

Epinephrine

Epinephrine

Master of Beasts

Join Date: Mar 2005

Ottawa, Canada

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

Yeah, I went Me/A for the damage.

WildmouseX

WildmouseX

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

N/R

looks good, but i would also sugest Me/A - not so much because you are useing more mes skills then sin as stated above, but for the extra energy and fast casting. sin armor is already inline with caster armor, i run a E/A as a sin and haven't noticed any difference in the dmg it takes compared to my sin primary. with only 25-30 e as a sin, you can blow all your energy with just dark escape, illusionary weapon, and one refuge.

Blind Rage

Blind Rage

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

New Zealand

Inyurface Gaming [IYF]

Thanks for the input, I have never seen that build before, and I run mine the way I do for the durabitiy of it, I discovered it 4 weeks ago, and have run it ever since.

The thing i focus on with my build, is to outlast, and constantly be on the opponent. although me/a would have its upsides, it definately has its downsides too.

thank you for the input, please continue to post your comments

Xen Foranus

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

Legion of Xen

When my friend and I were discussing GvG builds with an assassin, I noticed Dark Escape in his build and wondered if it would work well with IW.

Then we started debating whether or not it was a good stance to use with IW. In the end, we both decided that every IW mes should have Flurry and that Dark Escape does bring on the defense but doesn't offer much for offense.

Yep, pointless speculation to the max .

Blind Rage

Blind Rage

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

New Zealand

Inyurface Gaming [IYF]

yeah, i like defence more than offence, as in ra i can stand the abuse of a warrior for quite a while until he realises he is at 1/4 health and runs away..

Bloodied Blade

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

I rolled my eyes when I saw the start of this thread b/c I thought this was another stupid IW Me/A build with double strikes. GJ with this. ...I still think double strikes should only work if you *hit* something (otherwise it's really more of a double"swing").

Blind Rage

Blind Rage

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

New Zealand

Inyurface Gaming [IYF]

double strikes arent an important part of this build, they are nice when it happens, but overall... they dont play much of a part in this build

Shuuda

Shuuda

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Guildless

Me/

If u got A/Me or Me/A use dancing daggers and mantis touch, those can be used even if IW is on u + it cripples foe that run away, heh heh

TadaceAce

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

and then IW get stripped and the sin o 0 dagger mastery does 1 damage a hit for 30 seconds.

Hidden in the Mist

Hidden in the Mist

Banned

Join Date: May 2006

Shadow Refuge as a cover enchantment.

Blind Rage

Blind Rage

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

New Zealand

Inyurface Gaming [IYF]

not to mention heart of shadow

and the fact that they buffed IW with a shorter recharge time, if you do somehow manage to get shattered you can kite around for a little while while pressuring people with conjure phantasm.

prodigy ming

prodigy ming

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

This is actually a farily old build. I tried it a few weeks after faction came out.
Its a decent build, but IMO i find it less effective than a normal dagger assassin.
good job refining it though.

Blind Rage

Blind Rage

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

New Zealand

Inyurface Gaming [IYF]

thank you, like i said earlier this build is all about defence.

lordluke99

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2006

The Illuminati Alliance

D/

Is IW available to faction players? At a different fan site it doesnt list IW as a skill you can obtain from the first 12 missions on Cantha but it does list a location for prophecies players. If it is available to faction players, where can i get it because this sounds like such a great build!

Sphinx2k

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by lordluke99
Is IW available to faction players? Don't belive u can cap IW in factions u will need to own the first chapter of guild wars to cap it.

Legendary Battousai

Legendary Battousai

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

CA

[Ryuk]

W/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blind Rage
Sometimes I switch around skills with Physical Resistance and Elemental Resistance. LMAO!!!

Next build please.

serpico

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/Me

wow, this is a trip, i use a very similar build for my sin as well. its amazing, ill post my skill bar later. good work.

Blind Rage

Blind Rage

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

New Zealand

Inyurface Gaming [IYF]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Legendary Battousai
LMAO!!!

Next build please.
this is a pve/pvp build if you cant read, And if you didnt notice, Dark escape has a few seconds of downtime before you can activate it again, so i use either physical or elemental resistance when i fight creatures of those types in pve. Before you criticise someones build please actually thing of something wrong with it...

Araid

Araid

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2005

just one question: what weapons do you use? (I guess it's energy daggers with hp or +20%ench) and what armor?
and one idea: Sympathetic Visage may work well here.

I'm gonna try it.

EDIT: Since I think daggers attack speed is more or less the same as sword, I think the best weapon choice is a Sword with +5 energy and +20% enchantments, and a Jewelled Chakram with +5 armor and +45 hp when enchanted. But I'd like to know what's exactly the attack speed for daggers.

Raiin Maker

Raiin Maker

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

England

Blood On The Worlds Hands

W/

this build sounds very intresting... going to have to get some faction to skill unlock.

Shizuka Gozen

Shizuka Gozen

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Lion's Arch District 1

None atm.

W/Mo

Nice, sounds like this build would be very useful
I never thought about that, don't know enough about Mesmers
I'll have to try this sometime..maybe tomorrow :P
Very nice job.
/clap

Legendary Battousai

Legendary Battousai

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

CA

[Ryuk]

W/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blind Rage
Sometimes I switch around skills with Physical Resistance and Elemental Resistance. Basically here is my critism: These skills are horrible, suicidal and needs to be removed from guild wars or denerfed a lot. So the use of them for extra armor for only a few seconds is a waste of a skill slot.

Rhedd

Rhedd

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

You ever have to clean up after a Moa bird?

True Solunastra [SLA] Profession: Moa Wrangler

So is this build good against... trolls? ^_^

I don't know how effective it is yet, but it sure sounds FUN.

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

Wow, i was expecting something completely ridiculous and a build that the whole world uses (Like the echo nunker thread in ele ).

I think i'd be better as Me/A though personally, 16 Illusion would hurt alot more, not to mention you can put the excess in fast casting and bring along Distortion (maybe). Quite an interesting build though. Its still plagued by crippling though. The main weakness to an IW, specially since you can't evade it while using Dark Escape.

Blind Rage

Blind Rage

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

New Zealand

Inyurface Gaming [IYF]

thanks for the comments, like i said earlier, if i am fighting something like imps, which i dont fight with this build, i would bring elemental resistance to soften the blows in between the down time of dark escape. If you dont like those skills, no one is making you run them its just my preference.

no i dont think this would work very good on trolls, maybe something with repeating strike/flashingblades/live vicariously? but even that would be hard.
assasins arent really meant for big group aggros, so there arent that many skills to help in situations like that, if you get something working definately tell me i would be very interested in it and I would praise you as a god for a few days :P

semantic

semantic

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2005

Might be fun to try a pair of A/Me using Arcane Mimicry, one with IW and another with Locust's Fury. With 13 in DM you'd both have 46% double strike, giving you in effect a 49 or so dmg IW. You could only keep it up half of the time though, with Mimicry's cooldown. But that's a lot of armor-ignoring damage over 30 seconds (1,100 or so each).

Nice build though. Great use of Dark Escape. Me/A is probably the way to go, since you're giving up the Assassin's main benefit (energy gain on crit).

Timjack

Timjack

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

Clan Brun

This build sounds really cool and I sure wanna try it, but where can i capture the elite skill? Is getting to Droks the only way?

Blind Rage

Blind Rage

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

New Zealand

Inyurface Gaming [IYF]

unfortunately droks is the only way unless you wanna do iron mines, which is a hassle, and doesnt always spawn

Two April Mornings

Two April Mornings

No Luck No Time No Money

Join Date: Nov 2005

Amherst College, MA

Scars Meadows [SMS]

Me/

Ingenious build, have been using it in RA tonight as a Me/A.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Legendary Battousai
Basically here is my critism: These skills are horrible, suicidal and needs to be removed from guild wars or denerfed a lot. So the use of them for extra armor for only a few seconds is a waste of a skill slot. Are u serious? These are some of the best stance skills in GW. They are the reason you can solo farm so many things as W/Me. Please.

linh

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Mo/

I'm supposed this build is for RA and to kill those Mending Paladin ? If it's true, then it is a good build.

Blind Rage

Blind Rage

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

New Zealand

Inyurface Gaming [IYF]

lol it owns mending pallies, works pretty good everywhere I must admit

Xiaxhou of Trinity

Xiaxhou of Trinity

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

CA

Scythes of Chaos [SoC], [PNOY] alliance guild forums: http://socguild.cjb.net

E/

@Araid: If you used zealous daggers or any sort of zealous wep it wouldn't matter since you woudlnt' be gaining any energy from them. Zealous wep require you to 'hit' and IW doesnt' deal any melee dmg but armor ignoring chaos dmg. Therefore you dont' gain adrenaline or hp from vamp or energy from zealous mods since you're not technically 'hitting' the enemy. A build I've been thinking of but never got around to, very nice though. Once I finish up my mes I think I can get my glad points with it now =]

Ok before I end the post let me rant like an old hag: My team and I (playing as spirit spammer) won 9 times consecutively. Now I'm not a pvper much to say so getting the glad title finally was a big deal to me. But darn it we lost the last battle. Argh! I can't even get the first Glad title lol =]

Claymore

Claymore

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

Kingston, Ontario, Canada

A/W

Ok quick question here, does the damage from IW get affected by spells such as retribution or empathy?

Beat_Go_Stick

Beat_Go_Stick

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Claymore
Ok quick question here, does the damage from IW get affected by spells such as retribution or empathy? No and yes, respectively.

IW never hits so anything that triggers off a successful hit will not work. IW does, however attack. It just misses. Anything that triggers off an attack will still work.

Claymore

Claymore

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

Kingston, Ontario, Canada

A/W

Wow ok, clear as mud then lol!

Blind Rage

Blind Rage

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

New Zealand

Inyurface Gaming [IYF]

on a completely different note....

its a shame sand shards doesnt stack with iw.... a d/me or me/d would rule with that

Tripped

Tripped

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

[fcuk]

E/Me

this is a really good build
but i don't have an assasin