Tubthumpers United!!!!

Ok, I think it has finaly gone far enough with upgrades, nerfs, "oops'" and what not.....

Since the day I bought the game (13 months ago) every minute ive played 3,022 HOURS!) all i have done is defend anet and back up their decisions... when the servers were all down for 8 hrs or whatever when they accidently dropped all prices, i stood by them and waited patiently...... now, i feel at wits end with it.....

Lets take a walk down memory lane on a few things that were once here and such, that now are not, things added or modified in game....

1) Few months back, axes that could hold 2 grips, some ppl lost alot of money, some ppl didnt... axes were in circulation for about 1 week, anet fixed them... i was ok with that, 1 week, fast and to the point, and i agreed it was over powering...

2) Drop rates of gold weapons and runes - good cause lets everyone have some access to them, bad cause alot of us put money and effort into times.... now, its ruining the market, there is no way to make good cash, and why spend even 1k on an item, if it will be 500g or nerfed in 2 days.... i say, slow down drop rate and let us make alittle money!!!!

3) Farming locations - you go out to try to make money, and after a few times you get no more drops.... or no drops that are worth your time, so no way to make cash

4) Collector items - totaly trashing market..... rare skins r only item worth anything now.... i say, keep them, but make them all look the same, and make them a plain skin, like great axe or such....

5) Keys for chests - use to just beable to open them, for free... now you have to pay 600g or such... at first, i though it was cool, but now, with gold items droppen like candy from a pinata (provided that area isnt farmed or its a major mission), only real point is to get the title....

6) Green items - perfect items that bosses drop, very usefull..... but, first step in ruining gold items... they are cool, but ruined the market in the game and why make a green item that is useless.... i say reduce drop rate!

7) Skills - some good some bad, like how they try to keep some charicters from being overpowered and others from being underpowere.... love how they change them to keep it fair, fully supportive!

8) Shields and defensive items - some mods and changes i love, 60 hp w/hexed, -5 dmg 20% time, but, a tank is a tank, they can take a beating, -2 dmg vs anything items make alot of sence to me, so does superiour absorbtion -3 dmg vs anything....so why would they make it only against certain types of dmg????? WTB ICY AXE HAFTS!!!!! price bound to sky rocket! where r the shields that are -2 dmg vs ele dmg...

9) Modifying armor penitration and such - 10/10 was perfect, worth alot of cash and awsome..... 20/20 came out, worth it, i love it.... they adjusted the greens and such,... But, if you can take my perfect gold -2 -2 shield, and add the physical damage -2 only to it, why cant they make my perfect 10/10 sundering that i invested alot of money and time in getting, into 20/20????

10) Fire Wand - no idea what fetish with it was, but faster attack speed on a wand doesnt matter to me much

11) Keg farming - tank build charicter holds keg or gear and gets all agro, good for small team farming, but alittle excisive.... ppl farming this way were making decent cash and doing it quickly...... now all party has to defend self and such, not bad if they r nerfing farming

12) Rockmolder - 20% recharge all skills, they have nerfed out alot of stuff over the last 7 months, when the item first came out, it wasnt that big of a deal to most ppl, only valued at like 100k.... why on earth would they wait 7 months, everyone thought it was here to stay, but nooooooooooo

WHY ARE THESE STILL AROUND???

1) Firey Flame Spliter - 15%.... its been here for EVER! worth over 1million gold.... does all the anet employes run these or somethen, cause they should have been gone... i mean 20% rockmolder is to much, how isnt 15% on an axe?????
2) Candy Canes - removes all dp in pve.... only worth 1k or less, but green farmers use them alot
3) -50 Offhand 55 hp monk / necro / anything build.... been here for ages, basicaly the backbone to solo build..... solo, farming, things anet is trying to get rid of.... wonder why its still here?????


I am trying to figure out why anet does some things and not others.... if they r trying to bring all items to same level and squish the market, why not let collectors sell everything perfect for like 100g each, make black dyes under 1k, runes top out at 1k each, crap. Wait, why not start all charicters with perfect weapons, lvl 20 if they are already going this far?????

I am waiting for them to drop the armor on my warrior, right now all he is is a slow attacking assasin with alittle more armor and looks like he is on steriods....

Ok, now im sure alot of posts are going to go on "stop crying, u waisted the money to buy it, its ur own fault, blah blah blah" to you all, i say, why should i have to worry about checking the updates every day to see if i need to go spend another 200k (example) to go buy the newest updated mods (20/20)for my items, just for them to get nerfed out in a week, when i cant do anything to farm cash?

My view is that anet is trying to get more ppl to play when every day, but i see more ppl, who have been dedicated to game leaving cause of nerfage and updates. 7 months for them to finaly adjust the rockmolder, -2 phys damage that have been here forever.....

We need to be reinbursed for things, or adjust all items (10/10 sundering), so that the game is even, isnt that the goal, equality.....

I am one of many many ppl i have talked to who feel the same way.... plz leave your thoughts and discussions....

Warriors u should go to:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10003456
WARRIORS ON STRIKE

I'll sign the petition.

-Mini Hell Kite [KGOA]

you shold get more guild members to come on and sign this.

signing it!

~Farcry Deathblade

Agreed.

The -dmg mods is what lets the war do his job. I can get a monks armor up to 90AL with just armor. Every class can acheive the same armor rating as a war can but they are not on the front lines AT ALL TIMES and do not overextend like wars do. Frenzy and healing sig just got nerfed without even being touched. No way you can use these now. Frenzy is gone so we are down to flurry for adrenaline building. Tiger stance for spiking. TF might even make a splash into GvG. Without healing sig wars have no good self heals.

They just completely killed wars in any form of pvp play. How about we take away AoD and see how well a Sin can do his job. Assassins just took over the wars job.

If you need to nerf any entire proffession just to make another work don't make the damn thing in the first place. Every profession has that little something that makes it unique. Wars was their armor. Now I can get better armor on every other class in the game. Why the hell should I use a war now? Str isn't anything special. Hell I can get more armor pen from other skills and sundering and they don't stack with str to begin with.

hey, i wasn't serious... please, don't get your whole guild in on this

hhmnmn...lets see

1) 15% FFS - This will be removed
2) Candy Canes dont imbalance PvP
3) the -50 cesta doesnt imbalance PvP

And stop all the crap about ruining gold items. Greens and Collector items are there for a reason.

Your uber rare perfect items will still command the prices they do because of their skins.

The collector Fire Wand from outside Nolani was nerfed because adrenaline warriors used it PvP for quick adrenal build-up and for trappers.

-50 Cesta is unlikely to be nerfed because such a huge proportion of GW players use it. Nerf it and Chapter 3 will be covered with tumbleweed... nothing to to with the arid theme.

/signed
oden hammer

Ok so what about PVE? There is about the same ratio of people playing PVP to people playing PVE or more slightly towards PVE. So why do they nerf mass amounts of PVE items.. but If you make a PVP char', you can have items from the bat with certain skills that are hard to obtain on PVE items.. and there is no insentive in making a Campaign char into a PVP char', since they are nerfing Rockmolder and such..So I understand that many PVP things were changed also (skills and what not) but PVE is taking a big hit.. Please leave thoughts about this also.. along with Max Gladius comments also.

About the -50 offhand.. Ok so it is so widely used.. TO FARM.. key word there "Farm".. I mean I love farming don't get me wrong.. and yes I have a -50 offhand and used it to 55.. (don't look at the picture to the left), but Guild Wars is trying to elimate farming as everyone can tell.. and this is the item that hasn't been changed.. and it's the most WIDELY and MOST PRODUCTIVELY used.

It is hard trying to get in a group from the desert on for warriors, a lot will use other builds instead but now.....wow gl

1. People shouldn't have to farm to get what they need, and nobody needs to farm to make a decent PvP-ready PvE character.

2. Collector items are doing exactly what they should, and they don't really even have variety in skin. The PvE economy can burn in hell, if people think collector items are effecting anything more than since release.

3. Chests were gold sinks from the start, are currently gold sinks, and will always be gold sinks.

4. Greens are supposed to be easily-found items to help the casual gamer obtain perfect weapons. Don't blame people for taking the cheap way out, instead of paying for perfect golds that look like shit anyway.

5. The armor/-damage changes don't really change anything. Everyone always had an elemental weapon on swap for warriors, and PvE isn't hard enough for it to matter.

6. The 20% Rockmolder was an accident. It was never ment to be in the game with the stats it had, and it was properly changed to be more balanced. The 15% FFS and HoD items were different in that they weren't accidents, but they were later removed for whatever reason Anet had.

The update changed very little that mattered in respect to PvP or PvE. Skill upates, armor updates, etc. were all fairly uninteresting this time around, so there really isn't a need for these multiple topics over nothing. >.>

Every time Anet changes something people whine and the game goes on.

get
over
it.

^ Agreed, if these updates affected you that much, wonder why you still play. Cause inside you really don't care and just wanted something to rant on. The updates don't ruin the game, the people on forums do.

Just to note the "market" was doomed from the start anyway - any market that uncontrollably produces its own money will suffer from what's happened to GW's market. This is (one reason) why there are taxes, governments, financial institutions and so on to control and regulate markets and money supply in the real world. That's lacking in GW "market" so it's bound to go pear shaped, regardless.

The gold sinks etc. are just attempts to patch up a model that was faulty from the start really.

Did you guys even read? Obviously not. Don't just come on a forum to get your post count up.

you can't expect no one to disagree with you, you posted on a public forum.
if you don't want anyone to disagree, don't come here.

Disagreeing just to say something is one thing, actually providing a counterpoint or a valid argument is another. Those two were just being trolls.

/agree with OP

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10003426

If you're a warrior and demand a slight reimburst, try getting this suggestion off the ground.

/signed
David Adair

Max, well put.

Why? Why why why???

What is the mesmer population in GW? 10%?? Of the 10%. How many of the mesmers run a 20/20 molder? 10%? Thats 1% of the GW population with a 20/20 molder. WOW!! THANK GOD THEY SAVED THE GW PLANET!!

Where has this nerf been? Sitting in an in-box for some nerd to "fix"?

WHY was it nerfed? Caused unbalance?Like when a level 28 boss ( though we max out at lvl 20) sheds a " 15 second" hex in 3 seconds?

Unbalanced, like how a ranger cant go 55hp UW solo?

Unbalanced like how if I dont pvp and win HOH i can NEVER find those godly items?
Why do HOH winners get godly items? What about the losers of HOH? Its not "fair" that the losers dont get godly items.I dont HOH, so what am I to do?

If they want equality, nerf EVERY weapon to a +1 Q-Tip and a garbage can lid shield.This way its all equal.

How about REWARDING die hard players in some way?

This game , although my favorite pastime, has become a joke.

ie: 600g on a key for a chest, fight through a ton of enemies to get to "tough area chest" to recieve an Earth Staff, req 13, 1/2 recharge water magic.

ie: green items that are the SAME as collectors items...lol..great idea there.

"...and the beat goes on....."

/signed

im too frustrated and angry to play my warrior now...

hmm maybe it's time the warriors go on strike lol

/sign
safety panda

/signed

I can live with the knight/ascalon change. The rune and sheild change was really uncalled for. I can no longer use frenzy or healing sig on my war. That is the backbone of any war.

Assassins are more powerful that wars can ever hope to be. I cannot believe that the whiners are winning with the decision making. I'm all for suggestions and such but not to the point where a profession cannot do its job.

Good bye war. We had some great times together. We've bashed a few skulls and lived to tell about it. Now you fall just like the rest. Its very sad that what was considered the most powerful and cornerstone profession of any team is now the weakest link overnight.

Damn Twicky.. made me tear a little.. Perfect Post, Completely correct.

It was? i thought with all the skills against a warr..(hint*...not reduce his dmg but completely shut him down) he was greatly underbalanced

Perhaps, but is it realistic to expect counter points from everyone? On any internet forum?

like what

weapon skins, armor skins. getting to play a whole PvE campaign. so you mean there should be the incentive that making a PvE character gives you special stats advantage over PvP characters?


they're eliminating bot farming, not legitimate player farming...

huh? this is GW right

SWG players bitched when there were nerfs...look where that game is.

thank god GW wasn't screwed up like SWG was from the start then, eh?

/not signed

Warriors have absorbtion runes, have always had them, and have outrageously high armor and tanking skills. Making damage reduction to only include physical may not make sense when you think about it, but it wont ruin warriors or decrease their popularity. ANet has tried their best to keep everything balanced in a game that revolves around PvP, sorry PvE'ers, get used to it, your numero dos.

Your kidding about the frenzy right? The only time frenzy was on my bar was when I wanted my dopple to use it to kill him.

Heal sig seems to be the same, I use an armor buff before I plan to use it.

If you say so, eh?

SWG had a great population before all of the nerfs . After the changes players left...it happens in a lot of online games - changes get made that change the original playing concept and people will leave.

twicky is talking about PvP where frenzy is used much more often than in PvE ... and no, hes not kidding.

/Signed

We're meant to take the damage on the front line, not take a fireball, curl over, and eat dirt. Warrior's job to take the damage for the team. Looks like the Assassin's gonna give us wars a run for our money

~Zeth

I think you are wrong on this one. Cause Frenzy's damage was first doubled, and then the -2 was taken off from the damage. It wasn't taken off twice. Same counts for Healing Signet.

I had a 10/10 sundering as well, (though I didn't use it) and it still does it's job like it did before the 20/20 was around. I understand your point, but I don't mind they didn't change my 10/10.

There is, the ability to swap armours, have 4 different weapons instead of 2 are important to me, and I know it is to others as well.

The people that win in HoH are I guess die hard players. So they get the reward.

I don't think anything has changed to the warriors DPS has it? Assasins still have a lower DPS than warriors have.

I think people here on Guru are overreacting, and are talking as if there warriors won't be able to do anything. They will be, just wait and see. The warrior forums will still be filled with farming builds, and I don't see a change in the PvP scene either of warriors that can't do their job.

Could the mods please merge some of the Warrior whine threads please.

Ok, with absorbtion, shields, and knights/ascalon armor only reducing physical dmg, lets see how much you would lose to a fireball, as suggested before:

absorbtion-3dmg
Shield-2-4dmg
Knights-1dmg

Wow, jolly jee, anywhere from 6-8dmg extra from non-physical damages, which in the overall thick of things in pve, in close to nothing. Archers/Warriors do the most damage in PvE to your group, and guess what they do physical. And as for casters, they do mostly degen, which dmg reduction doesnt affect. Go cry about your few points of dmg elsewhere.

As for pvp, the warriors that are buying elemental mods, will have the same advantage to take vs eachother.

The -50 cesta isnt necessary to farm with the 55 monk skills as a low health of whatever can be achieved with dp and jiggering about with health mods. So removing it wont stop anything. The FFs is not needed now either as the totem axe works just fine. I believe they will get changed/ removed , but it wont prevent that skill set being used for farming