Fix The Broken Class

Something has to be done about assassins. They are hated in pve, they are only used in PvP by newbs in RA and as a ganker in GvG. Do something about this.

Don't you think its a real slap in the face that Anets tank does so far and away more damage than their damage melee class.

A sin is a joke, it can spike, sure, but it can't spike any better than an axe or hammer warrior. It does about the sustained damage of an ele and is the most incredibly easiest class to shut down. Daggers do so little damage its 100% about combos. One skill.. spirit of failure, price of failure, guardian, aegis, or any other skill that can stop an attack from landing. These things hardly phase a warriors gameplan but a sin, you miss 1 hit in that combo and your screwed. Even with a 3 hit combo and a 25% chance to miss lead - offhand - dual you have a 50% chance of not getting to the dual, and a 50% chance one of your dual attacks miss. Say your using horns - spider - fangs. You have a statistically less than a 9% chance of getting to that second dual attack. Thats only with a 25% chance to miss, mesmer puts spirit of failure on you and your the best mana battery since prenerf bip!! Oh and I didn't mention how brutal SS or empathy is on a sin compared to war.

I propose
1. If an attack fails/misses/blocked/evaded it should recharge instantly.
2. If an attack fails/misses/blocked/evaded the next attack in the combo should be stopped rather than spending the energy and going through the motion.
3. Sin skills should have a major recharge reduction. Moebius and promise are so far and beyond unreliable in pvp they aren't useable.

If you do something about your class they might be used.

Nobody used mesmers for months when prophecies was released. Think about that.

Isn't there skills to stop fails/misses/blockage/evasion? If the skills instantly recharge than it's gunna be spike city in PVP, and non-stop chain attacking than GVG would really have a ton more assassins in groups.

assassins, like mesmers, are very powerful in the right hands. they are the most difficult proffessions to play and few understand them. this is why they are hated in pve, as most people just dump a random build together and kamikaze in.

assassins have a major advantage over warriors, they can stop attacking and restart instantly.

if u think ss and empathy are deadly against an assassin, u realy don't understand an assassins capabilities. assassins can stop attacking with it on and attack with thier combo when needed taking minimum dmg, and kill a target or greatly dmg in 3 skills.

That is absolutely true, once the top markers start developing guides and cookie cutter builds, assassins will be a force to reckon with.

Clearly you have never been attacked by a skilled assassin in PvP. Personally, I wet my little monk loincloth when i see one of them coming for me. Warriors, meh, they can DPS, but it takes an awful lot of DPS to take a monk down.

<----runs assassin in hoh thanks for saying im a noob -.- well when i use my sin i destroy most things since they attack so fast its almost a 1 man spike team only problem is that they die in 2 seconds but nothing a good prot spirit wont fix

Yeah but having to take these stances and what not (way of the fox sucks and you know it) ruins the build. And if you would read the post again they only instantly recharge if they fail/miss/blocked/evaded and they aren't exactly gonna get spammed cause that is gonna be very mana heavy.
Are you kidding me, when prophecies came out groups of wammos were a force to be reckoned with. People are smarter now, they have come up with builds and they just don't compare.
um yeah are we talking about RA here where the warriors are all wammos? Just put up guardian and they have a less than 10% chance to even get to a dual attack. Dps is everything beyond newby 4v4 pvp. Its possible to 1 man spike a solo monk with knockdown but not with another one healing him. Your occasional spike is like a lone blood spiker, it doesn't work and just equates to bad dps.
um you know they attack the same speed as an axe or sword... they're double attack will make you think otherwise but even when they double attack there damage is only 14-34... really if you equate str into the picture a standard axe attack does about that.


Another thing I forgot to mention, when they made absorbtion only physical the sin doesn't get any help on their extreme weakness against warriors.

I like The Last Pride's way of using Assassins in the final battle between them and War Machine.

i use a/w with frenzy+when he gets a dual attack it looks faster oh and with a single attack my assassin is doing like 38 to monks are you sure you have a max weapon?

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I always position myself next to the monk when I see one coming. I've seen the Aura of Displacement + Horns of the Ox + Falling Spider so many dozens of times that I can telegraph it 90% of the time. And all I have to do is stand there and HotO fails, and then of course Falling fails, and then I proceed to unleash hot fury (Rock 'n Roll Racing FOREVER) on the poor Assmonkey until he cancels AoD and rethinks his strategy (or dies a 6 second death due to overextending).

Now a really good assassin will see what I'm doing and try for a more vulnerable target (which the monk will heal) or wait until I'm forced to move away from the monk before trying his combo.

But really good assassins are lacking thus far. I've seen a lot more good Rits emerge over the past few weeks, then again Ritual Lord makes playing Rit way too easy, but the number of skilled assassins is lacking. I've seen really good ones and yes they are a force to be reckoned with, but the learning curve is pretty high for assassins, and unfortunately they have become chapter 2's wammos. Which is not good since they're not made to tank.

assassins are fun
scorpion wire + caltraps (best wary to deal with a kite)
assassin Mesmer with aura of displacement + blackout (great against hard targets such as good monks, mm , and any thing Al's that is using skill provided you have another player finish the target off for you why the target is defenseless)

Rigor Mortis?

Honestly how many people use rigor mortis. Your not gonna have a curse necro 99.85% of the time. I doubt most people even know what rigor mortis does its so underused.

What are you smoking? Mesmers have always been in use, in PvP at least.

It would be great if you guys went like:
1. Maybe
2. Yes
3. I don't care

I like assasins for three reasons, which I shall now highlight for you.

1)They are easy to kill if you cast blinding flash on them.

2)As an ele, if I have an assasin secondary, I can run away much faster than normal from domination mesmers.

3)OMFG H0W caN U NOT LYK ASSASIN. tHEY ARE UB3R N1NJA!!1

For these three reasons, I conclude that the assasin is good as it is.

4. No.

Yes, counters to assassins exist and yes, they are easy to kill. The fact remains, assassins are excellent for taking advantage of a small vulnerability in an enemy formation. Just like the class description says, they strike at vulnerable areas. Yes, if you're prepared and waiting for the sin to attack, he's not going to do a lot. When that same sin catches a warrior overextending even a little bit, he extracts the price in blood very quickly.

They aren't warriors, they aren't invincible, they are extremely painful when used well.

Assassins are like baby warriors, I think the broken class now is warriors, they nerfed there shields and superior absorption rune, GW Staff trying to make warriors vs warriors tougher, which I think is stupid, because Warrior gets owned by every class, but itself.

O Rly? Maybe they were being used but it took months for the "E-surger" and "migraine" builds to show their power. In the beginning mesmers were at the bottom of the priority list where assassins are now.

Apparently nobody knows how to use them well then. They are basically a bad warrior with less armor and less sustained damage.

I dont know what you are complaining about exactly. The bulk of the damage reduction came from your AL, which was unchanged. Innately warrriors with a shield are 4 AL lower than rangers against elemental sources of damage(assuming 80 base AL of course). Then you look at all the sources that the damage reduction actually did something greater or equal to the AL. This would be every AL ignoring source in the game excluding deep wound and degen. Against these you were reducing it by a rather trivial amount of damage. Taking 7pts of damage off of things like obsidian flame or feast of corruption is rather meaningless. Against things like empathy and spiteful spirit, it could be called unintended, but still less than what the base AL would reduce against all normal attacks. The only time the damage reduction was that meaningful, was when the AL reduced the damage into the single digits where it could be reduced to zero. This instance did not occur anywhere in pvp and could only occur in non-end game farming situations.

You are also forgetting that physical damage is basically anyone who is not casting a spell or using a elemental haft weapon. Your other usual suspects would include the assassin and ranger professions in addition to the warrior. The only time warriors would become broken in a defensive aspect, is when their base AL + shield becomes less than AL 85 which would be parrallel to assassins against all sources using nightstalker armor. Ranger armor could stand to have a small reduction against global elemental protection, because they have designed elementalists into a corner with the way AL is setup versus damage caps for a single character and give them a reason to take something other than druids armor always. That is for a different thread however.

Assassins could really stand to have more than one "playable" builds though, in addition to another method of fighting within the pve realm to take them out of melee range. Serious changes in skills and weapon additions would have to take place first though. There is the barrage option, but that is working around a problem instead of fixing it.

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Or even the assassin equivelent expose defense, god how i love that skill ^_^

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I think your just complaining because you can't use the assassin correctly.

Every time I get jumped unexpectedly by an assassin, I find myself swearing my head off before I'm even dead. Assassin's are very effective killers, your just not attacking the correct people in the correct situations.

Here are some tips for you:

1: Don't continuously attack one character. Retreat, recharge, re-evaluate, re-attack.

2: Don't target warriors. Your waisting your classes strongpoint.

3: Don't attack characters whom you know have evasive stances, such as warriors (read #2), mesmers (distortion), and most rangers (whirling). When going against a character who has a stance, feign an attack (causing a stance), then switch targets. When that person has burned thier stance out, reattack them.

Assassins are very effective killing machines, your just not playing them quite right.

They (assassins) don't need a buff. People playing assassins have their brains needing a buff.

You don't stand there as an assassin when a big scary warrior boss is bashing your head in...then again you shouldn't be attacking warriors lmfao.

One of the real problems I see with assassins is that every other class is capable of fulfilling at least a few different roles depending on their build, but assassins are only capable of Spike Killing. Not only that, but it's difficult to properly achieve the only role they're capable of filling.
Not only that, but they are horrible at cross-class builds, because all of their ability to do anything comes from their skills alone.

Very true.

If you think the Assassin is a sucky class that needs to be fixed, you either do not know how to play them and/or have never seen someone use one effectively. They need a small buff, but other than that they can be a very effective class.

The biggest buff they need is to their self healing... take away the "if attacting" condition and just always give em that burst of health when Shadow's Refuge wears off.

Wrong.

I have several builds/uses for mine. In Aspenwood for instance my build isn't about spiking, but constant, unblockable/unevadable damage... with most of it also unaffected by blindness.