If you can’t beat it exploit it.

GloryFox

GloryFox

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Good ol' USA, where everyone else wants to be

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With the new update on warrior damage reduction vs. physical only. I have come to the conclusion that elemental damage is the best thing to kill any warrior one on one. Instead of paying lots of money for that Sundering 20/20 mod on your sword make a weapon with a Shocking Ebon Icy or Fiery mod instead. Most armor has armor 80 (20 less then 100) vs. these types of damage with NO DAMAGE REDUCTION now, SO EXPLOIT IT for all its worth. With enough people exploiting ANET might reconsider their damage reduction vs. physical only change.

Dr Strangelove

Dr Strangelove

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Dec 2005

Wasting away again in Margaritaville

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It's not an exploit, elemental damage has always been the way to go against warriors.

Also, an exploit is using something that wasn't intended, like adding two mods to an axe. This was fully intended and, quite frankly, a much needed change.

max gladius

max gladius

Yep, really is me...

Join Date: Aug 2005

My House

L33t

awsome idea.... i think exploiding it will show and prove its flaws...

I love how the "Warriors on Strike" was closed do to flaming (ele dmg) not the normal trolls (phys dmg) so to say, but all the random ppl flaming (ele dmg) the warriors.....

very ironic if u ask me....

Eet GnomeSmasher

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

In my head

Another brilliant thread. Yes, let's "exploit" elemental damage! That'll show em!

Dr Strangelove

Dr Strangelove

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Warriors deal more damage than eles. I vote we exploit that to deal damage, then Anet will see the problem! Monks can heal all that l33t damage I just did, let's exploit that! Rangers have extra damage vs. elemental! I'm going to counter this exploit with another exploit to show Anet how wrong they are!

Jessyi

Jessyi

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/

I agree with GnomeSmasher.

I think I'll just wait a month for people to completely forget this update ever happened.

-Jessyi

Ghull Ka

Ghull Ka

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Seattle, WA

Grenths Helpdesk

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Elemental damage has [/i]always[/i] been more effective against warriors.

You aren't "exploiting" anything here.

KamikazeChicken

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
It's not an exploit, elemental damage has always been the way to go against warriors.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghull Ka
Elemental damage has always been more effective against warriors.
QFT

It sure is easy to tell who has and hasn't PvP'd before.

Former Ruling

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Cedartown, Georgia

R/

Rangers can meet the requirements of bows, lets exploit that too by bringing Bow Attacks!

dargon

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

The Seraphim Knights [TSK]

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My ranger thanks all the warriors who switch to elemental damage, it'll make his life so much easier

GloryFox

GloryFox

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Quote:
You aren't "exploiting" anything here.
In a way you are.

You see in a way ANET has solidified the type of weapons used in the game. I don't believe this was thier intent. Not every warrior in the game owns a Elemental type weapon. NOW they have every reason to own one. Makeing thier change "buff" completely usless.

Now you will see less Victos Axes in the game. Tell me when your playing don't you see many non ele weapons in the hands of warriors? I see it all the time. Armor alone was not a reason to get one, NOW there is because it bypasses all damage reduction.

Aurgorn Notnaw

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2005

Robin Hood Country, Nottinghamshire, England

Swords of Justice

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I'm a Ranger and I've decided I am going to exploit by using my bow to kill things. Muwahahahahahahaha, that'll show everyone.

GloryFox

GloryFox

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Join Date: Jan 2006

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Quote:
I'm a Ranger and I've decided I am going to exploit by using my bow to kill things. Muwahahahahahahaha, that'll show everyone.
A bow still does physical damage. Thus you are reducing the damage you could do to a warrior. Now use the same bow with an elemental bowstring and cause up 6-11 more damage per hit.

Tingi

Tingi

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/

lol at above post

Dr Strangelove

Dr Strangelove

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Quote:
Originally Posted by GloryFox
NOW there is because it bypasses all damage reduction.
...on warriors. My ranger and ele are tickled pink at this idea.

Aurgorn Notnaw

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2005

Robin Hood Country, Nottinghamshire, England

Swords of Justice

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Quote:
Originally Posted by GloryFox
A bow still does physical damage. Thus you are reducing the damage you could do to a warrior. Now use the same bow with an elemental bowstring and cause up 6-11 more damage per hit.
I meant kill anything not just warriors. I do have a Fire damage bow though, is that exploiting?

Ristaron

Ristaron

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Join Date: Mar 2005

Canada, eh?

Legion Of Valhalla

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I believe he is referring to 'exploiting a weakness' rather than 'exploiting a flaw in the game'. Ele damage (especially air, which has many spells with armour penetration... a sundering mod of its own) has always been extremely effective against warriors. It's why I generally take an air ele into AvA so I can kill off those stupid soloing warriors who chase me across the map as I try to cap (since I'm the only one on the team who isn't fighting for the dragon roost).

While you speak some truth, the point is already clear to everyone who has played PvP long enough. Eles>Warriors.

Aejorii

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

SF, CA

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What kind of warriors have you been fighting o.O

Fluffyx

Fluffyx

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Courtney PantsuLand

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Warriors don't only fight other warriors, so you're reducing your damage vs classes with elemental armor. :P
Do you really think its worth it just to reduce 3 points of damage, vs sup absorbtion.
Sure you can carry an elemental weapon for warriors to get past that absorbtion but its not an exploit. Not even close. @_@

The Hand Of Death

The Hand Of Death

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Cavalon

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My ranger already does 55+ dmg with my bow shots to a warrior, no need to switch to ele damage.

Ghull Ka

Ghull Ka

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Join Date: Jul 2005

Seattle, WA

Grenths Helpdesk

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aurgorn Notnaw
I do have a Fire damage bow though, is that exploiting?
ZOMG SPLOITER!! HAX!

gosl

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

The title of this thread is misleading. Maybe it should be like:

"If you can't beat it, rally people to 'exploit' an aspect of the game so maybe Anet will change it back to when it's a lot easier for you, eventhough it's not really an 'exploit' that Anet will use as a reason for a change because it doesn't go against what is intended by the game."

Hmm ... maybe that is a bit too long.

Eet GnomeSmasher

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

In my head

How about "Playing the game as it was intended in a more balanced fashion?"

Big_L

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Spectral Agony [sA]

You should have both an elemental mod as well as other prefix mods for all your weapons. You should have had these things long before the update. You should know the common armor stats of a player you plan on railing on and chose a weapon accordingly. The update has changed close to nothing that would affect this decision. If you aren't doing this, you are a bad warrior.

fyi: using an elemental mod vs anything that doesn't have buffs vs physical is just wasting your prefix mod. Not to mention the fact that it would reduce your damage output vs many armor types. There is no single weapon mod you should be using, and that hasn't changed since the update.

Aejorii

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

SF, CA

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...How is this an exploit? People have been doing this in pvp for a while. Warriors pre reduction nerf used elemental mods to not trigger the +20 armor vs physical on the usual Gladiator armor that most people use.

Also, you can always switch weapons when you're hitting/spiking something else. Come on guys, adapt to the battle.

Griev

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

Brantford, Ontario, Canada

Perfectly Normal Beasts [MEAT]

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I've always carried an elemental weapon my Warrior... just in case I got stuck doing 1v1.

It's not an exploit.. its common sense.

Lucifer PVP

Lucifer PVP

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Join Date: Oct 2005

Refuge From Exile [RFE] Refuge-From-Exile.com

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Example of an old exploit
Warping to the guild hall at lvl 1
Have someone kick you from guild
End up in Lions Arch
Rejoin Guild
Example of a old design flaw
Be in presear
Press Guild Hall button
Trade with someone for a max dmg weapon and shield
Press Leave Guild Hall button

ElinoraNeSangre

ElinoraNeSangre

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Near Seattle, WA

Talionis De Cineris [EXUR]

N/Me

I agree, this is not so much an exploit as it is just the way it is.

A true exploit would follow under this: http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...sofconduct.php

"You will not exploit any bug in Guild Wars and you will not communicate the existence of any such exploitable bug (bugs that grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits) either directly or through public posting, to any other user of Guild Wars. Bugs should be promptly reported via "Ask a Question" at http://support.guildwars.com."

Unnatural or unintended benefits, which would suggest to me this really isn't an exploit. My suggestion is not to throw the word "exploit" around so brazenly when it doesn't necessarily apply. Maybe more appropriately "if you can't beat it, abuse it" or something like that.

Count to Potato

Count to Potato

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Join Date: Feb 2006

Imagination Land

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shadow damage is better than anything armor penetrating so SS is the way to go

Swiffle

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mostly Harmless [MH]

This thread is retarded. It was always better to use an elemental weapon against warriors, this is nothing new. Not even close to an exploit, sorry.

Caleb

Caleb

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Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/Me

I must confess to exploiting Divine Favor every time I cast a monk spell. It's really unfair that you receive bonus healing for each attribute point I have expended.

err....

Align

Align

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2005

Protectors of Awesome[AWE]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hand Of Death
My ranger already does 55+ dmg with my bow shots to a warrior, no need to switch to ele damage.
What kind of insane reasoning is that?
"I could deal 100 damage, but I'm not going to because I deal 70."

As for ranger armor, well, that's why you bring a second, vampiric weapon, just for the hell of it.

twicky_kid

twicky_kid

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Join Date: Jun 2005

Quite Vulgar [FUN]

Its funny that rangers now have better armor than wars. They just deal less dmg with their weapon but can make that up with a pet.

Ranger for DPS war for spiking. I guess that's the way Anet wanted it.

Saphatorael

Saphatorael

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

I don't know... anyone who has a warrior that didn't have both a physical and elemental weapon on their char by the time this 'update' was introduced... shouldn't be called an experienced warrior, even i (yes, me... that nooblet of a warrior) always have one of each type; my ranger even used to have all 4 elemental bowstrings on 4 different 15^50 collectors bows, then one unmodded bow, and a vamp one, never bothered to get a zealous mod though...

in other news, this should make the Ice Breaker and the IDS popular (again), i reckon

Dr Strangelove

Dr Strangelove

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Join Date: Dec 2005

Wasting away again in Margaritaville

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Quote:
Originally Posted by twicky_kid
Its funny that rangers now have better armor than wars. They just deal less dmg with their weapon but can make that up with a pet.

Ranger for DPS war for spiking. I guess that's the way Anet wanted it.
Rangers have worse armor than warriors, they have 70 vs. physical and 100 vs elemental. A Warrior wearing platemail and using a shield with no mods has 116 armor vs physical and 106 armor vs elemental. I assume you're referring to bunny thumpers with the DPS comment, as ranger builds classicaly deal in spikes while warriors are known for having the highest DPS.

eternal pho

Banned

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W/E

I already started...=D

JR

JR

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Join Date: Nov 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hand Of Death
My ranger already does 55+ dmg with my bow shots to a warrior, no need to switch to ele damage.
Yeah, I mean why would you want to do MORE damage?

Shadowfox1125

Shadowfox1125

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2005

PST

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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hand Of Death
My ranger already does 55+ dmg with my bow shots to a warrior, no need to switch to ele damage.
You can take your puny 55 damage; I'll be doing 75+ (more or less )

DFrost

DFrost

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Ultima Thule

Legacy of Echovald [Echo]

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Well we can split some hairs about terminology. Exploit @ dictionary.com:
1 To employ to the greatest possible advantage: exploit one's talents.
2 To make use of selfishly or unethically: a country that exploited peasant labor.

Using elemental damage against warriors is the former. Duping crystalline swords would be the latter

english storm

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Caleb The Pontiff
I must confess to exploiting Divine Favor every time I cast a monk spell. It's really unfair that you receive bonus healing for each attribute point I have expended.

err....
[sarcasm]
you sir are the lowest type of scum possible and should learn to play the game fairly! Nobody worry though i am going to email this dreadfull "exploit" to Anet straight away.
[/sarcasm]