Against Nightfall

rong626

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You see,when Guildwars factions was released,there were less people in tyria..so if Nightfall was to be released,that new world will be packed and tyria will have even less ppl.And Cantha will be same like tyria when guildwars factions was relesed.

Did they nerf the warrior because of the new profession?The the Dervish, a scythe-wielding holy warrior?So that more people will play the derwish instead?

Why is chapter 3 beta out so fast?Factions was just starting and it still need some improvements.So,now GuildWars and Guildwars factions will be now ignored when Nightfall is relesed?

After a lot of time of waiting they created a material storage for people that owns Factions... More storage space i guess... Beggers can't be chosers.

I think it's rewarding joining acounts because you gain acess to the full game with any character you have... Wich means if you have a character the started in Prophecies when you reach mid-game you could for example skip the Prophecies story line and play with that character in the Factions/Nightfall campaign form mid-level.

The two extra character space are just for flavor... I can barelly play with all my six characters.

And all you WoW lovers stop splashing GW lovers that WoW is better in some points than GW... Yes i know if we what new contents we have to pay for it (unlike WoW players) but GW players will never have trouble with billing and payments cause we don't have to. And we can play as we like while you WoW players have your hours counted with no space for fooling around (nothing like dancing in GW for 4 whole days while chating with friends).

Both are good... I rest my case.

Now let's proced. Guild Wars has diferent types of races. Human races i mean. You can perfetly realise which characters are from Factions and which aren't. GW focus in multi-racial/nation humans rather than humanoid species... I think this marks the diference...

PvE is for PvErs and PvP is for PvPrs... This was the saying i heard from a friend of mine when i started the game. Nobody likes reapeating the same game over and over... That's why there's competitive players that play in a higher level. PvP is where GW shines the most and there's lot of variety...

Far from the things i whrited above i think Nightfall will surpace Factions problems and create a better game. The new profections are really cool just like Factions where. About time they added a competent Melee fighter... Assasin are much like Mesmers... Nobody wants them in PvE...

My two character slots i'll recieve are saved for a Paragoon and a Dervish... I always liked spears... Now they give us two spear fighters for the price of one. Groovy.
A few things that ANet could have done better with Factions I hope to see in Nightfall -

~ Combining Prophecies + Factions meant you only gained 2 new character slots, not the 4 you paid for with your purchase of Factions. Nightfall should allow you to retain all character slots purchased rather than punish players for joining accounts.

~ As above, joined accounts gained zero increase to bank / storage space -- so what was already far too little storage for 4 characters became another way that players were punished by combining accounts. With Nightfall, they seriously need to increase storage space for combined accounts.

~ The Prophecies system for questing for new skills was far superior to simply making them a money sink in Factions. Players are forced into ( and rewarded by ) farming simply to gain abilities, rather than playing through content. Keeping skill gain easy for PvP is all fine and good, but it would have been nice to at least have the OPTION to quest for them rather than do away with the system completely just to please the insta-PvP players. Nightfall needs to include a meaningful side-quest system the way it was in Prophecies.

Kai Nui

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I hate to say it, but where are you going with this...?

inscribed

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Was that in english?

rong626

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All i'm saying,DONT BUY NIGHTFALL

rong626

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Originally Posted by inscribed
Was that in english?

What are u saying?

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Originally Posted by rong626
~ The Prophecies system for questing for new skills was far superior to simply making them a money sink in Factions. Players are forced into ( and rewarded by ) farming simply to gain abilities, rather than playing through content. Keeping skill gain easy for PvP is all fine and good, but it would have been nice to at least have the OPTION to quest for them rather than do away with the system completely just to please the insta-PvP players. Nightfall needs to include a meaningful side-quest system the way it was in Prophecies.
I agree with this, I don't know about the rest though...

Kareem

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This makes no sense at all. Where is the part about you being against Nightfall?

Arkantos

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Sadly, you just wrote up a very big pointless rant. What you just typed isnt going to make anyone not want to buy nightfall. Even if you get a few, Nightfall will be purchased.

rong626

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Eeep let me edit title name

rong626

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Can ANY OF THE MOD's change the POST NAME To: RANT AND RAVE ABOUT NIGHTFALL

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Originally Posted by rong626
All i'm saying,DONT BUY NIGHTFALL
O......kay......

::side-shuffles out of the thread::

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those stream-of-consciousness activities are fun and all but you're not meant to actually show anyone what you've written

because it makes you look insane

or stupid - yes, stupid. stupid and in need of some ritalin

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Quote:
Originally Posted by rong626
All i'm saying,DONT BUY NIGHTFALL
Well i will. Stop sitting in the past and let the future pass you by. There will always be some people in Tyria, but you are right in one point the bigger the world gets the less players u have in one spot, but you cant do anything against it exept telling all your friends to buy Guild Wars so we have more players overall.
Or just buy and play the new parts while everyone does so. So you wont recognize the abonded Outposts.

rong626

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I dun care about my image all i want to prove what is right is right

Hidden in the Mist

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Quote:
Originally Posted by rong626
All i'm saying,DONT BUY NIGHTFALL
No .

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Originally Posted by rong626
I dun care about my image all i want to prove what is right is right
And that is just your opinion about what's right. There are some points that are true, but I'm buying Nigtfall. I sure wish it was out there already since I've beaten Factions content, and all I have left is my AvA and Aspenwood.

Those buyable extra slots wouldn't hurt either so I could finally remake the necro, which I believe to be ooooh so fun to play in AvA.

Kai Nui

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rong626 you blow my mind... @_@ Some of the things you say make sense while other times I get completely lost...

rong626

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Buying new chapters means them using our money to let Areananet do more stupid things!Which we hate most.It most be one person WORKING there suggesting ruddy things

Kareem

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Originally Posted by rong626
I dun care about my image all i want to prove what is right is right
What image? o.O

TehEsco

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Originally Posted by rong626
Buying new chapters means giving Areananet more stupid things to do
If thats your opinion why are you still here and why are still playing?

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Originally Posted by rong626
Buying new chapters means giving Areananet more stupid things to do
And money to add new updates and features. If we don't buy new chapters, Anet won't afford to do all those nice lil' updates. Wee.


And Kareem, love your avatar. WOOOO~

rong626

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I m still here playing because of playing?

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Well, dont like dont play dont buy
I expect new things + many from the old. Some players will be unhappy with the new, other with the old, but that's how things always are

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Originally Posted by rong626
I m still here playing because of playing?
Ok, I just fell out of my chair right there.

Aki Soyokaze

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Quote:
Originally Posted by rong626
You see,when Guildwars factions was released,there were less people in tyria..so if Nightfall was to be released,that new world will be packed and tyria will have even less ppl.And Cantha will be same like tyria when guildwars factions was relesed.
So? People who are hardcore Guild Wars fans will be back in Cantha and Tyria when they either get bored of Nightfall or want to visit those places again.

People who are not hardcore players will buy one chapter and be content with playing within that one chapter and that chapter alone. Not everyone who bought Chapter 1 will automatically buy chapters 2 and 3. Just like not every chapter 2 owner owns chapter 1.

Added to that with more expansive game play and more areas more people are more likely to start to buy a Guild Wars package or set of Guild Wars games.

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Originally Posted by rong626
Did they nerf the warrior because of the new profession?The the Dervish, a scythe-wielding holy warrior?So that more people will play the derwish instead?
I don't know and I don't care. All I know is that it happened and I'll deal with it the best I can.

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Originally Posted by rong626
Why is chapter 3 beta out so fast?Factions was just starting and it still need some improvements.So,now GuildWars and Guildwars factions will be now ignored when Nightfall is relesed?
Wasn't their plan to have the next chapter out within 6 months of the release of the previous chapter? And when they bring out new chapters and sell new additions to the game don't they make money? Plus how do you draw a connection between them bringing out a new chapter and them just completely ignoring Factions and Prophecies?

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Originally Posted by rong626
After a lot of time of waiting they created a material storage for people that owns Factions... More storage space i guess... Beggers can't be chosers.

I think it's rewarding joining acounts because you gain acess to the full game with any character you have... Wich means if you have a character the started in Prophecies when you reach mid-game you could for example skip the Prophecies story line and play with that character in the Factions/Nightfall campaign form mid-level.
Sure... okay then.

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Originally Posted by rong626
The two extra character space are just for flavor... I can barelly play with all my six characters.
Then don't play using all six slots, play one main as PvE Character, one as a PvP,and the rest as storage space.

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Originally Posted by rong626
And all you WoW lovers stop splashing GW lovers that WoW is better in some points than GW... Yes i know if we what new contents we have to pay for it (unlike WoW players) but GW players will never have trouble with billing and payments cause we don't have to. And we can play as we like while you WoW players have your hours counted with no space for fooling around (nothing like dancing in GW for 4 whole days while chating with friends).

Both are good... I rest my case.
You said it man! I don't know why you brought it up, but you said it!

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Originally Posted by rong626
Now let's proced. Guild Wars has diferent types of races. Human races i mean. You can perfetly realise which characters are from Factions and which aren't. GW focus in multi-racial/nation humans rather than humanoid species... I think this marks the diference...
Yes I would agree that Guild Wars will cover a lot of ethnicities. But then again wasn't this their goal? To show or have various regions be the backdrop for different chapters each unique in it's own way?

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Originally Posted by rong626
PvE is for PvErs and PvP is for PvPrs... This was the saying i heard from a friend of mine when i started the game. Nobody likes reapeating the same game over and over... That's why there's competitive players that play in a higher level. PvP is where GW shines the most and there's lot of variety...
Play at a higher level? I'll grant you it is more spontaneous, but in both you just roll a build and you take your chances. It either works or it doesn't, there isn't anything higher level about it.

And Guild Wars doesn't 'shine' because of PvP. There are those that love PvP and there are those that hate it; further still there are those that only like certain aspects of it, such as RA, TA, GvG, and Halls. Just like there are those that like to get Titles, Rare items, and/or lots of money/armor. So Guild Wars 'shines', as you put it, because the game allows you a relatively large amount of freedom in how you want to play. And you can play as much or as little of each aspect of the game without it interfering with how you want to play.

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Originally Posted by rong626
~ Combining Prophecies + Factions meant you only gained 2 new character slots, not the 4 you paid for with your purchase of Factions. Nightfall should allow you to retain all character slots purchased rather than punish players for joining accounts.
Perhaps you're not just paying for the right to get character slots, perhaps you're also paying for the right to join your two accounts and allow your prophecies characters the ability to travel to cantha. And allow those characters to get armor, skills, items, and other such things that they wouldn'tve been able to get.

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Originally Posted by rong626
~ As above, joined accounts gained zero increase to bank / storage space -- so what was already far too little storage for 4 characters became another way that players were punished by combining accounts. With Nightfall, they seriously need to increase storage space for combined accounts.
I don't see any reason why they should increase storage or bank capacity. If you're in that much of a need to get extra storage then why not buy an extra game and have that as a second account where you keep all your extra stuff.

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Originally Posted by rong626
~ The Prophecies system for questing for new skills was far superior to simply making them a money sink in Factions. Players are forced into ( and rewarded by ) farming simply to gain abilities, rather than playing through content. Keeping skill gain easy for PvP is all fine and good, but it would have been nice to at least have the OPTION to quest for them rather than do away with the system completely just to please the insta-PvP players. Nightfall needs to include a meaningful side-quest system the way it was in Prophecies.
I'm sorry but I'd have to diagree with that. Doing side quest and also main quests and getting skills as a reward wasn't all that much fun. I can remember starting out with an ele and being a fire nuker and having to quest, in the early days, around Ascalon and getting skills that were completely off of what my character was. The skills were of no use and proved to help me very little through the game at that time.

I would've enjoyed the ability to choose which skill I'd like to receive through getting a skill point and gold rather than just getting a skill that wouldn'tve even fit into my skill bar. And while yes it did help in my overall skill unlocking, how much use is blinding flash and lightning javelin when those are the only two air skills you could get in quests in that area.

And if you look at it from the perspective of someone who is just starting the game rather than someone who already has Prophecies; then perhaps the idea of getting skills from the trader because you got a skill point and gold doesn't seem like such a bad idea. Because atleast then the player can choose which skill he/she would like and which skill would help him/her the most.

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Originally Posted by rong626
All i'm saying,DONT BUY NIGHTFALL
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If you hate Anet & Guild Wars so much then please go ahead quit if you want.

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While we all like to read these "rant and rave" threads sometimes. We don't need them cluttering up the SUGGESTION forum.

Seeing as everyone appears to be opposed to you, and people are starting to get worked up, I'm just going to close this. Even if you did have some sort of suggestion, it was either far too extreme or just so controversial, that everyone would flame you.

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