I’ve searched quite a bit, but haven’t been able to find a specific explanation to my questions. I apologize if this has been discussed before.
Anet, why can’t our holiday items and special event gifts (i.e. candy cane weapons, helmets, shields, etc.) be equivalent to max damage or max armor items in the game?
I just don’t understand what harm would come from this. Yes, I understand this allows low level players the chance to get an item with “end-game” stats maybe a little sooner than normal, but does it really make a difference? It’s not like an 11-22 damage candy cane sword is going give that level 2 W/Mo an edge over someone else.
How many people do you actual see using these items? Occasionally, you will see people wearing their helmets in town, but that’s it. How many of you wish you could “effectively” smack the Lich King over the head with a vampric candy cane axe of fortitude while wearing your pumpkin helmet? Unfortunately, how many of you have trashed or sold these items because they provided absolutely no use in this game other than “static” appearance differences?
Or am I missing something…
Question: Logic Behind Holiday/Special Event Item Stats
Lady Erighan
Gli
Actually, I think it's a good idea to have these items be useless in play. The game would turn into a farce if everyone was wearing their antlers/santa hats/gingerbread foci/etc. into combat.
RTSFirebat
Nah.
They are holiday items, they are added for fun and games and also something to earn in special events.
I say keep it that way.
They are holiday items, they are added for fun and games and also something to earn in special events.
I say keep it that way.
Silent Kitty
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Originally Posted by Lady Erighan
Or am I missing something…
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DFrost
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Originally Posted by Gli
Actually, I think it's a good idea to have these items be useless in play. The game would turn into a farce if everyone was wearing their antlers/santa hats/gingerbread foci/etc. into combat.
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Mournblade
Do YOU wear your santa hat all year long, or do you wear it only at special Christmas events? =)
Raxxman
Also the weapons have no requirement
they are powerful for no requirement, I'd love a standard no requirement bow do do as much as the CC bow.
they are powerful for no requirement, I'd love a standard no requirement bow do do as much as the CC bow.
Slainster
having someone run around with a pumpkin on their head all the time would do my head in 
I agree.. keep it the way it is, makes it more party like than "this is my Pumpkin helm, its gonna eat you after ive beat you to a pulp with CC sword"
lazuli
cc gear have no req whatsoever, imagine how loud the PvP-only community would scream if PvE monks had a max 16 AL cc shield that has no req for a swap
Eet GnomeSmasher
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Originally Posted by lazuli
cc gear have no req whatsoever, imagine how loud the PvP-only community would scream if PvE monks had a max 16 AL cc shield that has no req for a swap
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Same goes for this argument:
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Originally Posted by Raxxman
Also the weapons have no requirement
they are powerful for no requirement, I'd love a standard no requirement bow do do as much as the CC bow. |
Trippy
I actually do use my Santa Hat all the time.. it got my superior smiting on it for my 55 monk 
I agree with OP though.. not like that lvl2 newbie can't get a max damage fully modded weapon from his other toon...
I agree with OP though.. not like that lvl2 newbie can't get a max damage fully modded weapon from his other toon...
SirShadowrunner
I am glad I held onto a few of these, when factions first came out, I used them
on each new toon on the monastery island, came in very handy, and will be using
them in again in the beginning of nightfall.
-Sirshadowrunner
on each new toon on the monastery island, came in very handy, and will be using
them in again in the beginning of nightfall.
-Sirshadowrunner
Wildi
having crappy event items does not make sense either
VitisVinifera
the thing is, it's a lot of fun getting them (as in doing the special quests and being there when the event happens), but once you get them, you look at them once, then never use them again, and they just take up space at that point. Would be nice if they did serve some useful function without just seeing everyone wearing them all the time, though I'll let a more imaginative person come up with that function
sinican
they dont have to do anything... they were gifts and if they didnt have event items to begin with no one would be haveing this conversation period...
don't kick a gift horse in the mouth...
there are plenty other rare and exotic items in the game...
the logic is that they are meant for show not for function... and they are meant to provide no physical advantage or are a limited resource...
don't kick a gift horse in the mouth...
there are plenty other rare and exotic items in the game...
the logic is that they are meant for show not for function... and they are meant to provide no physical advantage or are a limited resource...
Feminist Terrorist
I actually used a gingerbread(?) focus for my new mesmer because it was better than any of the drops she'd gotten. She even used the peppermint shield for a little while while I was playing with the warrior secondary.
shardfenix
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Originally Posted by Lady Erighan
How many people do you actual see using these items?
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Dj Tano
There are several reasons why special event items are not maxed out.
1) You would get a maxed out item for no real effort. Think of how you got candy cane weapons, by just playing snowball fights. Do you think that a snowball fight is worth getting a maxed out bow for?
2a) To save a long read: Since special event items are not useful people only use them to look cool, meaning that the demand of those items is way way way way way way way lower than it would be if those items where useful. That means that its not worth farming 250 cany cane swords...
2b) Getting those items is free and easy, plus you can farm them. Lets say i could choose to have a normal max shield or a gingerbread one, i would choose the gingerbread one because it looks cooler. That would mean that making those items functional = lots of people want them. And after the event whts the only way to get them? Buy them. That means that people could sell really easily farmable items for a good price and make a lot of money.
3) How would it look like if someone would run around with a candycane sword in the fire islands? It would make the game look silly and this game is not supposed to look silly but good. Else you would find lots of funny items around...
1) You would get a maxed out item for no real effort. Think of how you got candy cane weapons, by just playing snowball fights. Do you think that a snowball fight is worth getting a maxed out bow for?
2a) To save a long read: Since special event items are not useful people only use them to look cool, meaning that the demand of those items is way way way way way way way lower than it would be if those items where useful. That means that its not worth farming 250 cany cane swords...
2b) Getting those items is free and easy, plus you can farm them. Lets say i could choose to have a normal max shield or a gingerbread one, i would choose the gingerbread one because it looks cooler. That would mean that making those items functional = lots of people want them. And after the event whts the only way to get them? Buy them. That means that people could sell really easily farmable items for a good price and make a lot of money.
3) How would it look like if someone would run around with a candycane sword in the fire islands? It would make the game look silly and this game is not supposed to look silly but good. Else you would find lots of funny items around...
Cymmina
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Nah.
They are holiday items, they are added for fun and games and also something to earn in special events. I say keep it that way. |
Even if the weapons did come with max damage, you can't mod them. They'd still end up being worse than Itha's Bow (could a preorder item suck any more than this one?) or any other white you pick up.
Mournblade
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Originally Posted by Dj Tano
There are several reasons why special event items are not maxed out.
1) You would get a maxed out item for no real effort. Think of how you got candy cane weapons, by just playing snowball fights. Do you think that a snowball fight is worth getting a maxed out bow for? |
raven214
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Originally Posted by Mournblade
The irony here is that I can sell candy cane weapons for as much as 5k each, and a max stat collectors item hardly goes for more than 1k. So for playing those snowball fights, I can ultimately get approximately 5 max stat items. (the caveat being the skins suck. lol)
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Vilaptca
This may surprise some of you, but there are people out there who like to have fun, even while playing games. Wierd huh...having fun while having fun. Its a crazy concept, but you'll understand eventually.
Event items are meant to be something sillly, something you can show off later while fooling around, a change of pace for when you've just been playing too much. Who doesn't love stripping naked putting that Pumpkin Crown on and running through LA dist 1 shouting "I'm a banana!"
I do agree, that if they are going to keep giving us all these "joke" items, then the NEED to give us a event item storage.
I think if you make a joke item useful though, that kind of defeats the purpose behind it. Its meant to be silly, fooled around with, not used seriously for battling all the time.
Just my opinion, don't flame me for it.
Vilaptca
Event items are meant to be something sillly, something you can show off later while fooling around, a change of pace for when you've just been playing too much. Who doesn't love stripping naked putting that Pumpkin Crown on and running through LA dist 1 shouting "I'm a banana!"
I do agree, that if they are going to keep giving us all these "joke" items, then the NEED to give us a event item storage.
I think if you make a joke item useful though, that kind of defeats the purpose behind it. Its meant to be silly, fooled around with, not used seriously for battling all the time.
Just my opinion, don't flame me for it.
Vilaptca
Nvwa Strider
A caster carrying a normal wand and a gingerbread shield giving 10 armor unconditional (so he can use his attribute points on something else then strength or tactics) isnt bad at all.
Mournblade
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That's what you get from supply and demand though - the supply of candy cane weapons is finite while the collector's supply is infinite - it's certainly not based on said items' usefulness.
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And as long as the special items are tradeable, supply and demand will be a factor.
Vahn Roi
They're trinkets, nothing more.
natuxatu
aye... i don't want people i'm partying with running around with santa hats and pumpkin heads in june and july and what not. I like it how it is.
Carinae
I don't get peoples resistance to this excellent idea. Is it just a collective 'we fear change'?
What's the harm in allowing the holiday headgear to have 60AL?
Are you really going to get upset that someone is wearing a Santa Hat in combat? HAHAHA!
Non-conformity FTW!
What's the harm in allowing the holiday headgear to have 60AL?
Are you really going to get upset that someone is wearing a Santa Hat in combat? HAHAHA!
Non-conformity FTW!
Vahn Roi
Personally, I dislike almost all of the holiday event items, especially the dragon mask. I'd rather not see them at all much less see someone wearing them in combat. That's my opinion and that is why I said I don't support this idea.
Loviatar
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Originally Posted by Mournblade
We don't know that candy cane weapons are finite - theres another Wintersday coming round the corner. People just don't want to wait that long to get their own. lol
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think of the howls of anguish if this years CC make you glow instead of removing DP everybody will be collecting for CC to sell for 1k+ and find out everybody already has them.
CC WTS 10 G EACH
Gaile Gray
I like having special occasion outfits in real life, even if I only rarely wear them. I like having holiday items in the game, even if most of the year they remain tucked away. I do not foresee that holiday items will be given max stats in the future, and yes, for some of the reasons mentioned above.
I do agree that I'd like a special holiday item trunk, bag, or Xunlai tab or some way to keep the many holiday items stored. I'd be more than willing to pay for that extra option, just as I'll pay for a character slot. I'm not sure how others feels about that idea, and it's just my personal opinion and not a statement of things to come.
Time will tell if holiday item storage is offered. I do not believe it is at the top of the list at the present time. But I'll be happy to ask the designers about it and report when there is news on this request.
I do agree that I'd like a special holiday item trunk, bag, or Xunlai tab or some way to keep the many holiday items stored. I'd be more than willing to pay for that extra option, just as I'll pay for a character slot. I'm not sure how others feels about that idea, and it's just my personal opinion and not a statement of things to come.
Time will tell if holiday item storage is offered. I do not believe it is at the top of the list at the present time. But I'll be happy to ask the designers about it and report when there is news on this request.
Retribution X
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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
I like having special occasion outfits in real life, even if I only rarely wear them. I like having holiday items in the game, even if most of the year they remain tucked away. I do not foresee that holiday items will be given max stats in the future, and yes, for some of the reasons mentioned above.
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The outfits are cool. Why don't they make a full outfit for some event?
*hint*
*hint*
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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
I do agree that I'd like a special holiday item trunk, bag, or Xunlai tab or some way to keep the many holiday items stored. I'd be more than willing to pay for that extra option, just as I'll pay for a character slot. I'm not sure how others feels about that idea, and it's just my personal opinion and not a statement of things to come.
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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
Time will tell if holiday item storage is offered. I do not believe it is at the top of the list at the present time. But I'll be happy to ask the designers about it and report when there is news on this request.
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Guardian of the Light
I like these ideas cause they'll different yet balanced.
With 0 Req I can do somewhat decent damage with CC wand on my warrior or with my bow on my monk when orders are up.
Don't change I liek them the way they are.
With 0 Req I can do somewhat decent damage with CC wand on my warrior or with my bow on my monk when orders are up.
Don't change I liek them the way they are.