Worst Elite in the Game
Solus_the_Deadly
Shared Burden seems pretty useless as we'll.
Absolute Authority
Reapers Sweep is a great eltie and essential in some dervish farming builds
Plus, quickshot owns when you use it with the right skills
Plus, quickshot owns when you use it with the right skills
xDusT II
[skill]Wastrel's Collapse[/skill]
Hooray, after 5 seconds if my target has done NOTHING he gets knocked down!..
[skill]Ride the lightning[/skill]
Essentially a buffed up lightning strike that teleports you to the enemy (In your lovely squishy ele armor) and causes exhaustion...
[skill]Double Dragon[/skill]
basically 2 infernoes with a 30second recharge... If I wanted PBAoE I would take shockwave...
Hooray, after 5 seconds if my target has done NOTHING he gets knocked down!..
[skill]Ride the lightning[/skill]
Essentially a buffed up lightning strike that teleports you to the enemy (In your lovely squishy ele armor) and causes exhaustion...
[skill]Double Dragon[/skill]
basically 2 infernoes with a 30second recharge... If I wanted PBAoE I would take shockwave...
zling
there are so many useless elites that it isnt even funny...
I'll pick up some favourites from each class, there are just too many...
Monk: Peace and Harmony, Scribe's Insight, Unyielding Aura, Healer's Covenant, Amity, Balthazar's Pendulum, Defender's Zeal
Warrior: Whirling Axe, Dwarven Battle Stance, Headbutt, Rage of the Ntouka, "You're All Alone!"
Ranger: Lacerate, Strike as One, Archer's Signet, Glass Arrows, Infuriating Heat, Marksman's Wager, Practiced Stance, Equinox, Famine, Greater Conflagration, Quicksand, Scavenger's Focus
Necromancer: Contagion, Discord, Order of Undeath. yeah the list is pretty short, as I think most of the Necromancer's elites can be used to some efficiency, skills such as Virulence arent that great but still have a few specific builds in which they're pretty good...
Mesmer: Enchanter's Conundrum, Hex Eater Vortex, Panic, Psychic Distraction, Psychic Instability, Simple Thievery, Symbols of Inspiration, Air of
Disenchantment, Fevered Dreams, Recurring Insecurity, Extend Conditions, Keystone Signet, Tease, Shatter Storm
Elementalist: Gust, Invoke Lightning, Ride the Lightning, Ether Renewal, Master of Magic, Savannah Heat, Icy Shackles, Mirror of Ice
Assassin: Seeping Wound, Mark of Insecurity, yeah the list is pretty short, as I think most of the Assassin's elites can be used to some efficiency, skills such as Wastel's Collapse arent that great but still have a few specific builds in which they're pretty good...
Ritualist: Offering of Spirit, Signet of Spirits, Weapon of Fury, Signet of Ghostly Might, Preservation, Spirit Light Weapon, Vengeful Was Khanhei, Weapon of Remedy, Reclaim Essence, Wielder's Zeal,
Paragorn: Angelic Bond, Defensive Anthem, Focused Anger, "It's just a flesh
wound.", "The Power Is Yours!"
Dervish: Vow of Strength, Pious Renewal. just too few elites to choose from, as all Avathar's and most other elites are useful in specific situation.
and now for the most useless elite in my opinion, suprised I havent seen anyone mention it already, sorry if I mislooked your post, Wielder's Zeal! yay my Ritualist is just spamming non elite weapon spells on everyone
I'll pick up some favourites from each class, there are just too many...
Monk: Peace and Harmony, Scribe's Insight, Unyielding Aura, Healer's Covenant, Amity, Balthazar's Pendulum, Defender's Zeal
Warrior: Whirling Axe, Dwarven Battle Stance, Headbutt, Rage of the Ntouka, "You're All Alone!"
Ranger: Lacerate, Strike as One, Archer's Signet, Glass Arrows, Infuriating Heat, Marksman's Wager, Practiced Stance, Equinox, Famine, Greater Conflagration, Quicksand, Scavenger's Focus
Necromancer: Contagion, Discord, Order of Undeath. yeah the list is pretty short, as I think most of the Necromancer's elites can be used to some efficiency, skills such as Virulence arent that great but still have a few specific builds in which they're pretty good...
Mesmer: Enchanter's Conundrum, Hex Eater Vortex, Panic, Psychic Distraction, Psychic Instability, Simple Thievery, Symbols of Inspiration, Air of
Disenchantment, Fevered Dreams, Recurring Insecurity, Extend Conditions, Keystone Signet, Tease, Shatter Storm
Elementalist: Gust, Invoke Lightning, Ride the Lightning, Ether Renewal, Master of Magic, Savannah Heat, Icy Shackles, Mirror of Ice
Assassin: Seeping Wound, Mark of Insecurity, yeah the list is pretty short, as I think most of the Assassin's elites can be used to some efficiency, skills such as Wastel's Collapse arent that great but still have a few specific builds in which they're pretty good...
Ritualist: Offering of Spirit, Signet of Spirits, Weapon of Fury, Signet of Ghostly Might, Preservation, Spirit Light Weapon, Vengeful Was Khanhei, Weapon of Remedy, Reclaim Essence, Wielder's Zeal,
Paragorn: Angelic Bond, Defensive Anthem, Focused Anger, "It's just a flesh
wound.", "The Power Is Yours!"
Dervish: Vow of Strength, Pious Renewal. just too few elites to choose from, as all Avathar's and most other elites are useful in specific situation.
and now for the most useless elite in my opinion, suprised I havent seen anyone mention it already, sorry if I mislooked your post, Wielder's Zeal! yay my Ritualist is just spamming non elite weapon spells on everyone
ubermancer
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Originally Posted by zling
there are so many useless elites that it isnt even funny...
I'll pick up some favourites from each class, there are just too many...
[...] "You're All Alone!" [...] I dont think anyone is really taking you seriously after having said that.
I'll pick up some favourites from each class, there are just too many...
[...] "You're All Alone!" [...] I dont think anyone is really taking you seriously after having said that.
zling
and why is that? why exactly would you use "You're All Alone"?
as a Warrior you'd go with a weapon elite, Devastating Hammer, Backbreaker, Eviscerate, Cleave, Dragon Slash, Hundred Blades, whatever suits you best for what you're doing... sometimes you can ditch 1 of those out for GOOD elites such as Bull's Charge but what the hell is "You're All Alone" for?
as a Warrior you'd go with a weapon elite, Devastating Hammer, Backbreaker, Eviscerate, Cleave, Dragon Slash, Hundred Blades, whatever suits you best for what you're doing... sometimes you can ditch 1 of those out for GOOD elites such as Bull's Charge but what the hell is "You're All Alone" for?
JYX
It's used for ganking. Very helpful when harassing enemy flag carriers, both because of the cripple and the synergy with signet of malice. The weakness helps with NPCs as well. It was a very very popular skill, until people realised that paradox+feigned neutrality with shadow stepping made you invincible.
Kakumei
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Originally Posted by zling
"You're All Alone!"...Psychic Distraction...Invoke Lightning...Savannah Heat...Preservation...Vengeful Was Khanhei..Angelic Bond
Assuming we're taking both PvE and PvP into account, this is pretty rofl.
Ulivious The Reaper
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Originally Posted by Nuva
Balthazar's Pendelum.
RELIES COMPLETELY ON LUCK.
I mean, I've never even seen it USED in any way possible!
Other then that, every elite I've seen I can use in a way to assist me. have a smite monk carry that in PVP where hammers, which happen to rely on knockdown for effective use, and you have a decent elite, for only 5 energy other than that its rather useless
RELIES COMPLETELY ON LUCK.
I mean, I've never even seen it USED in any way possible!
Other then that, every elite I've seen I can use in a way to assist me. have a smite monk carry that in PVP where hammers, which happen to rely on knockdown for effective use, and you have a decent elite, for only 5 energy other than that its rather useless
Coloneh
most of the elemental elites are awful. epically the fire and air ones...
Sophitia Leafblade
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Originally Posted by Skye Marin
Warrior
Earthshaker - not worth 8 strikes
Ranger
Quick Shot - nothing special
Archers Signet - Why do you need energy management when your Expertise is high enough to make any effective use of this skill?
Monk
Amity - too long recharge, only works on nearby foes
Mesmer
Keystone Signet - mostly useless
Elementalist
Ether Renewal - Nerfed to oblivion Earthshaker is great for the mighty shockwave build especially team build wise. Attack the enemy charge up adren, earthshaker, and then everyone aftershock, next person earthshaker, crystal wave and well, bye bye foe. Thats how i beat the Zaishen challenge with my W.
Ug Quickshot, its like Marmite, u either love it or u hate it, on its own its an ok elite Vs low armoured enemys against high armoured ones its highly ineffective. Increases ur dps yes true but so do alot of elites and alot more do better dps.
Archers Signet is great it allows u to completely spam Concussion shot, lets say u have 3 titans attacking ut team, archers signet, concussion shot spam, on on each as they continiously cast and wala interuptions/dazed on them all and little in the way of energy cost so u can then can use up some big hit attacks with plenty of energy still in the bag.
Amity works wonders in AB, A cluster of Warriors charge the helpless monk at the back, Then haha they cant do anything to u, so u can point and laugh at them while ur team mates mop up everything not amitied.
Keystone signet is great too, blind on those annoying warriors and assassins so they cant hit u while u slapping some nice hexes onto them.
i agree Ether Renewal is pretty poor, if it lasted longer it would be more use pity Anet didnt make it scalable,
All elites have atleast 1 use where the are effective, but the 'Best' elites are the ones that are usful in more situations
yesitsrob
SCRIBES INSIGHT. that has to be pretty high up on the completlete waste of time list.
Sir Mad
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Originally Posted by Sophitia Leafblade
Still you're right right to point that it's more effective vs low armor - against foes with a high armor, skills with a high damage ignoring armor such as Burning Arrow have a higher DPS.
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Originally Posted by zling
there are so many useless elites that it isnt even funny...
I'll pick up some favourites from each class, there are just too many... [...] "You're All Alone!" [...] I dont think anyone is really taking you seriously after having said that. Rofl: I only read the ranger section - that was enough for me 
Riceboi
Each class has a few bad elites. Pretty much 80% of the paragon skill list.
Mickey
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Originally Posted by zling
there are so many useless elites that it isnt even funny...
I'll pick up some favourites from each class, there are just too many... Monk: Peace and Harmony, Scribe's Insight, Unyielding Aura, Healer's Covenant, Amity, Balthazar's Pendulum, Defender's Zeal Warrior: Whirling Axe, Dwarven Battle Stance, Headbutt, Rage of the Ntouka, "You're All Alone!" Ranger: Lacerate, Strike as One, Archer's Signet, Glass Arrows, Infuriating Heat, Marksman's Wager, Practiced Stance, Equinox, Famine, Greater Conflagration, Quicksand, Scavenger's Focus Necromancer: Contagion, Discord, Order of Undeath. yeah the list is pretty short, as I think most of the Necromancer's elites can be used to some efficiency, skills such as Virulence arent that great but still have a few specific builds in which they're pretty good... Mesmer: Enchanter's Conundrum, Hex Eater Vortex, Panic, Psychic Distraction, Psychic Instability, Simple Thievery, Symbols of Inspiration, Air of Disenchantment, Fevered Dreams, Recurring Insecurity, Extend Conditions, Keystone Signet, Tease, Shatter Storm Elementalist: Gust, Invoke Lightning, Ride the Lightning, Ether Renewal, Master of Magic, Savannah Heat, Icy Shackles, Mirror of Ice Assassin: Seeping Wound, Mark of Insecurity, yeah the list is pretty short, as I think most of the Assassin's elites can be used to some efficiency, skills such as Wastel's Collapse arent that great but still have a few specific builds in which they're pretty good... Ritualist: Offering of Spirit, Signet of Spirits, Weapon of Fury, Signet of Ghostly Might, Preservation, Spirit Light Weapon, Vengeful Was Khanhei, Weapon of Remedy, Reclaim Essence, Wielder's Zeal, Paragorn: Angelic Bond, Defensive Anthem, Focused Anger, "It's just a flesh wound.", "The Power Is Yours!" Dervish: Vow of Strength, Pious Renewal. just too few elites to choose from, as all Avathar's and most other elites are useful in specific situation. and now for the most useless elite in my opinion, suprised I havent seen anyone mention it already, sorry if I mislooked your post, Wielder's Zeal! yay my Ritualist is just spamming non elite weapon spells on everyone
After "Your All Alone!" I scrolled down the list and saw Famine and Great Conflagration. Those are easily not even close to being useless. Famine is great for Duo Farming and Soloing some area, and Greater Conflagration combined with Drakescale set and Elemental Resistance owns it up.
crazyFanatic
Lightbringer Signet ftl
Solus_the_Deadly
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Originally Posted by zling
there are so many useless elites that it isnt even funny...
I'll pick up some favourites from each class, there are just too many... Monk: Peace and Harmony, Scribe's Insight, Unyielding Aura, Healer's Covenant, Amity, Balthazar's Pendulum, Defender's Zeal Warrior: Whirling Axe, Dwarven Battle Stance, Headbutt, Rage of the Ntouka, "You're All Alone!" Ranger: Lacerate, Strike as One, Archer's Signet, Glass Arrows, Infuriating Heat, Marksman's Wager, Practiced Stance, Equinox, Famine, Greater Conflagration, Quicksand, Scavenger's Focus Necromancer: Contagion, Discord, Order of Undeath. yeah the list is pretty short, as I think most of the Necromancer's elites can be used to some efficiency, skills such as Virulence arent that great but still have a few specific builds in which they're pretty good... Mesmer: Enchanter's Conundrum, Hex Eater Vortex, Panic, Psychic Distraction, Psychic Instability, Simple Thievery, Symbols of Inspiration, Air of Disenchantment, Fevered Dreams, Recurring Insecurity, Extend Conditions, Keystone Signet, Tease, Shatter Storm Elementalist: Gust, Invoke Lightning, Ride the Lightning, Ether Renewal, Master of Magic, Savannah Heat, Icy Shackles, Mirror of Ice Assassin: Seeping Wound, Mark of Insecurity, yeah the list is pretty short, as I think most of the Assassin's elites can be used to some efficiency, skills such as Wastel's Collapse arent that great but still have a few specific builds in which they're pretty good... Ritualist: Offering of Spirit, Signet of Spirits, Weapon of Fury, Signet of Ghostly Might, Preservation, Spirit Light Weapon, Vengeful Was Khanhei, Weapon of Remedy, Reclaim Essence, Wielder's Zeal, Paragorn: Angelic Bond, Defensive Anthem, Focused Anger, "It's just a flesh wound.", "The Power Is Yours!" Dervish: Vow of Strength, Pious Renewal. just too few elites to choose from, as all Avathar's and most other elites are useful in specific situation. and now for the most useless elite in my opinion, suprised I havent seen anyone mention it already, sorry if I mislooked your post, Wielder's Zeal! yay my Ritualist is just spamming non elite weapon spells on everyone
Are you CRAZY? You put some GREAT elites on your list!
ubermancer
Speaking from a (mostly) PVE'rs perspective, these skills shouldnt be on your list...
Healer's Covenant (hello, arcane mimicry!) Defender's Zeal (smiting monks really do need e-management) Whirling Axe (infuriating heat, anyone?) Dwarven Battle Stance (stops any stationary target dead, use with renewing etc) Headbutt (big damage, plague touch daze. high energy, but manageable) Rage of the Ntouka (another awesome skill) "You're All Alone!" (awesome PvP elite, specially on a sin) Archer's Signet (concussion shot) Glass Arrows (situational, but good where there are no enchantments) Infuriating Heat (are you insane!?) Practiced Stance (choking gas) Equinox (pvp edenial) Famine (solo farming, pvp edenial) Greater Conflagration (shuts down orders, allows control of damage type for extra resistance vs basically all non holy shadow or chaos damage) Quicksand (very effective aoe e-denial) Order of Undeath (+17 dmg times 20 to 30 hits assuming fiends = +340 to +510 damage over 5 seconds) Contagion (dark aura spike) Discord (subpar, but gives the death necro something he never had before) Enchanter's Conundrum (you dont play a memser, do you) Actually I looked at the rest of his list, and saw some things that said that he had no idea what the mesmer actually does. This is generally a good indicator that I shouldnt talk to that person about Guild Wars, because they tend to think Im an idiot. (ie, for suggesting that YAA is leet)
Sir Mad
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Originally Posted by ubermancer
"You're All Alone!" (awesome PvP elite, specially on a sin)
It's very nice with Flail as well in GvG or even I guess in AB.
Crystal Titan
Peace and Harmony and Unyielding Aura.
Amy Awien
What's wrong with Peace and Harmony? There must be plent of less usefull skills then one that adds +1 energy regeneration.
Coloneh
Avatar of balthazar or balthazar's pendelum areboth awful
Faure
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
Avatar of balthazar or balthazar's pendelum areboth awful
About the avatar.
Having 75 seconds of 33% running speed, more armor (vs all sources iirc) which can't be removed and holy damage is good enough for me to keep it in my D/E build. Together with only stoneflesh I almost reduce recieved dmg to zero, adding with a extra armor skill I'm sure i'm save.
Shuuda
Wastrels Collapseis the worst elite ever, it does 1 KD after 5 seconds of a foe doing nothing, no damage and stupidly easy to remove, this skill makes Archers signet look godly.
Tingi
Hundred Blades. You may as well take cyclone axe. Jeeze what a crappy elite.
-.-
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Originally Posted by Tan Blademaster
Hundred Blades. You may as well take cyclone axe. Jeeze what a crappy elite.
Apparently you never played a Sword warrior effectively before Factions and Nightfall came out.
martialis
So much hate for mesmers
 Keystone Signet might not be Barrage, but...the point is it could be used in a build. It's an elite skill that does something unique and interesting, you just have to use it right! (I don't know how, sorry.) Quote:
I second on quivering being an awesome elite. It deals good damage, is cheap in adrenaline and the dazed condition is great to plague off. The fact that quivering blade only cost 4 means you can spam it to charge other elites. Currently I have a nasty shivers warrior that uses quivering blade in a spam to charge Sun and Moon slash, which cuts through defenses and still allows me to shiver slash an enemy, then in turn quivering is recharged by SnM then spamming quivering recharges SnM..... think about it, a warrior with an unblockable attack 44 energy with spinal shivers and a cold weapon ALSO with a spammable galrath slash, ability to daze and interrupt on every hit. Im a monk's worst nightmare.
Although there are a ton of really shitty elites and people like complaining about them, it's not the popularity or power of elites that makes them the worst. Elites are bad because of the way people use them, and the people that use them. If you used Keystone Signet in a normal build, it would suck, but in an leet mesmer build (which I don't know), it rocks! | So in theory, worst elite is clearly Seeping Wound. Derivative, uninteresting, lame, sucky. In practice, Quivering Blade...or Whirling Axe, or Life Transfer, or Life Sheath, or Preservation...too many to list.
Dean Harper
Keystone Signet works well in a mostly-signet based interrupt build or damage build coupled with Smiting Signets.
The stupidest elite (maybe not the worst) in my opinion is Simple Theivery or Quick Shot.
Dzus
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Originally Posted by Shuuda
Wastrels Collapseis the worst elite ever, it does 1 KD after 5 seconds of a foe doing nothing, no damage and stupidly easy to remove, this skill makes Archers signet look godly.
W/A with Stonefist makes it less useless.
Magehunter Smash: Maybe if it can't be blocked or evaded, but I'd rather have another Hammer Mastery elite. Forecful Blow: Again, rather have another Hammer Mastery elite. "Coward!": This one less so, it can have it's uses, but why not bring a different knockdown? And most worthless? Lightbringer Signet!
Tingi
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Originally Posted by -.-
Apparently you never played a Sword warrior effectively before Factions and Nightfall came out.
Eh? Hundred Blades is trash. Even before Factions/Nightfall came out. Imagine running a sword warrior with HB in PvP. People would just laugh you off the arena. Thats why the typical PvP sword warrior before F/N consisted of sever/gash/final but the elite was a utility elite such as Charge.
But your point is flawed because Factions and Nightfall ARE out. What is the point of ever running this skill on a sword warrior. qvtkc
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Originally Posted by -.-
Apparently you never played a Sword warrior effectively before Factions and Nightfall came out.
Before Factions came out.
Charge: Support movement of entire party. Bull's Charge: Become a living nightmare for kiters. Hundred Blades: woooo!! i got 2 adrenaline in one hit once per 8 seconds Battle Rage: wooo!!!!!!! I got 2 adrenaline on EVERY hit... Plus i run fast Of these four which is the worst elite?
Corinthian
Amity anyone?!??!
Fire Nin
My pick is definitly florish.
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by qvtkc
Before Factions came out.
Charge: Support movement of entire party. Bull's Charge: Become a living nightmare for kiters. Hundred Blades: woooo!! i got 2 adrenaline in one hit once per 8 seconds Battle Rage: wooo!!!!!!! I got 2 adrenaline on EVERY hit... Plus i run fast Of these four which is the worst elite? Battle Rage.
Evilsod
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Originally Posted by -.-
Apparently you never played a Sword warrior effectively before Factions and Nightfall came out.
Considering that 100 Blades is a crap elite... and using it is just an excuse for you to use a sword and not an axe. Was it ever possible to play a sword warrior more effectively than an Axe warrior before Factions/Nightfall?
Ubermancer.... did you seriously just include Equinox in your list of elites that don't suck? If your running that skill, you must have only 7 other skills, and even then i'd prefer an empty slot!
Lowly Peasant
I remember way back in the beta's before they made hundred blades an elite, I dumped it the moment I got a better skill, can't really remember what the skill was, but really the only reason this skill is elite is so Me/W can't use it with Illusionary weapon.
Moa Bird Cultist
Trouble is, Me/W CAN use it with IW - they just need to have the right party set up. HB has it's uses anyway. Yes, farming, but it's still a use.
Originally Posted by Evilsod
Quote: Was it ever possible to play a sword warrior more effectively than an Axe warrior before Factions/Nightfall?
[skill]Sever Artery[/skill][skill]Gash[/skill][skill]Galrath Slash[/skill][skill]Final Thrust[/skill]
Notice, Sir, that not one of those skills is elite. Guess what that means? Yes, they can take a utility as their elite, which, in the case of "Charge!" would be handy for the whole party... Swords and Axes were never designed to do the same thing anyway - Swords are more tactical/consistant, Axes are more for brute strength. Anyway, this is the wrong place for this sort of discussion anyway. Worst elite I've come across is another vote for Balthazar's Pendulum - it just doesnt do enough of anything - if it stopped the next 1...X knockdowns, it might be worth considering, but as it stands, it isn't even worth an ordinary skill slot.
Cebe
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Originally Posted by Moa Bird Cultist
Worst elite I've come across is another vote for Balthazar's Pendulum - it just doesnt do enough of anything - if it stopped the next 1...X knockdowns, it might be worth considering, but as it stands, it isn't even worth an ordinary skill slot.
Yes, I like the idea of the skill but it's certainly not elite-worthy. Something you suggest like the next 1....x knockdowns would perhaps make it more viable. When I capped it, however, I went for a play around in Bahdok Caverns with it. It was useful to keep myself upright when the Kournan Scribes cast Meteor....but that's about it. Defender's Zeal ftw.
Shuuda
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Originally Posted by Dzus
W/A with Stonefist makes it less useless.
maybe true, but there are much better Knock downs that are non elite than Wastrels.
roperratt
Of all the elites I've used the one I have found the least use for is Keystone.
As for quickshot, I don't understand the haters, I use this one all the time. When used with the slow firing but powerful Razorjaws hornbow, you can really speed things up. Add favorable winds and kindle arrows and its quite good. I will lead with penetrating attack, then hit with QS. It will fire 2 armor penetrating shots, and burn them, in about 1 second. I think all elites have a use somewhere, just some require a little more thought and planning to be useful. |
