Worst Elite in the Game
ArKaiN
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Originally Posted by Sophitia Leafblade
Archers Signet is also very useful for firing off several concussion shots which is a very expensive skill and also quite a powerful one.
when was the last time you had to do that?
[skill]concussion shot[/skill] <-- check the duration even at lower marksmanship
It just occurred to me how positively horrible an expertise elite that lowers energy costs is. Your expertise is high, your costs are already lowered! And you threw away points in marksmanship that could be increasing your chances of criticalling! EW!
[skill]concussion shot[/skill] <-- check the duration even at lower marksmanship
It just occurred to me how positively horrible an expertise elite that lowers energy costs is. Your expertise is high, your costs are already lowered! And you threw away points in marksmanship that could be increasing your chances of criticalling! EW!
KirinRiotCrash
I say Skull Crack because of those freakin' Grasping Darknesses use it when I'm trying to cast spells at them. No worries though as I know how to avoid it. 
But out of seriousness I would say that Lightbringer's Signet is a pretty crappy Elite. I honestly do not like the "range" that you have to be when taking advantage of the skill, especially if you're a spellcaster profession. I'm sure there are other Elites that probably don't deserve Elite status but that one sticks out to me as it's available for every profession.
But out of seriousness I would say that Lightbringer's Signet is a pretty crappy Elite. I honestly do not like the "range" that you have to be when taking advantage of the skill, especially if you're a spellcaster profession. I'm sure there are other Elites that probably don't deserve Elite status but that one sticks out to me as it's available for every profession.
derrtyboy69
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Originally Posted by ArKaiN
He said IF USED CORRECTLY. The correct way is, of course, to suicide multiple times so an MM has corpses.
LOL
Primal rage is pretty bad, but i dont think it compares to the uselssness of keystone signet.
Primal rage is pretty bad, but i dont think it compares to the uselssness of keystone signet.
Ecklipze
Archers Signet contradicts itself being placed in the Expertise line. Maybe if it was moved to Marksmanship it would not be so frowned upon.
Withdraw Hexes gets my vote for worst elite however, what monk would waste 15 energy, doesn't matter wheter or not you can reduce the costs with a glyph. The spell takes longer to use, the more useful it is (i.e. more hexes it removes the longer the recharge).
Withdraw Hexes gets my vote for worst elite however, what monk would waste 15 energy, doesn't matter wheter or not you can reduce the costs with a glyph. The spell takes longer to use, the more useful it is (i.e. more hexes it removes the longer the recharge).
Maetel
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Originally Posted by phasola
Famine
Its called farming ^^
Mr Emu
definitely withdraw hexes
qvtkc
Eviscerate is no good at all.
Simath
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Originally Posted by phasola
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Originally Posted by qvtkc
Eviscerate is no good at all.
I hope you're joking.
One of the most useless elites imo is Word of Censure
ShadowsRequiem
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Originally Posted by qvtkc
Eviscerate is no good at all.
phft yah its totaly garbage.... Warriors whould take HEALING HANDS! -.-
Our Lady Of Health
Zealous Benediction
legacyofkain85
I dont understand why people hate spoil victor i think of it as the shiro slayer spell and there is a diference between it and other hexes such ss,empathy it does no dmg it causes life loss which can not be mitigated
legacyofkain85
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Originally Posted by Dinkytowner
Ether Renewal + Aura of Restoration + Fire Attunement + Flare spam = 40-50 energy regen It works for PvE, and I will grant you that there are better ways to manage energy on an ele.
If anyone has found a use for Spoil Victor I would love to hear it. Until then it gets my vote. It can be used to own shiro very fast or can be used for solo farming boses especialy warior boses sskai for an example
viper11025
If any class can use it then I want it.I'm after the elite title!
legacyofkain85
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Originally Posted by Retribution X
Barrage. Shield Of Judgment. Eviscerate. Dragon slash. Energy Surge. Grenths balence. Spiteful Spirit.
*runs away from flames* Hmm u must be jokeing right ok barage , u must try it with rit secondary and splinter weapon if u manage to get a full barage the dmg it does on a pilled up mob is skyrocketing shield of judgement=the main dmg skill in invinci monk farming builds u can also use it with a smiting based monk and the ranger spirit brambles ss ,hmm same as shiled of judgement but it is used very mouch and not only for farming ,(ss spiker in doa anyone) dragon slash+soon and moon slash and 15 swordsmanship+"For Great Justice!"=spamable atacks i do agree on eviscerate well it was good ,once it had the same dmg as executioner strike but not so good for an elite atm u can pull out the same effect using wearing strike and avatar of melandru on a dervish as for grenth balance hmm i agree with u it is practicaly unused in pve except for some farming scenarios
Div
Archer's signet is awesome. That build posted before has got to be one of the most devastating ranger builds I've seen in pre-searing. It can own level 0 monsters like no other! What? You say that's not a pre-searing build? Rubbish!
FeroxC
"Incoming!" for a fairly high energy(10) and 20 seconds recharge you can get a whopping 1-3 seconds of 50% less damage. Seriously what had Anet been drinking when they thought theyd nef paragons for the 50th time.
bhavv
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Originally Posted by FeroxC
"Incoming!" for a fairly high energy(10) and 20 seconds recharge you can get a whopping 1-3 seconds of 50% less damage. Seriously what had Anet been drinking when they thought theyd nef paragons for the 50th time.
Incoming nerf was needed because it was over abused in HA. Although it is useless now, its not as bad as the power is yours.
Master Ketsu
Worst elite is easily [skill]Wastrel's Collapse[/skill] IMO. The only way to use it is to shut down your target for 5 or more seconds. Problem is getting a knockdown in the middle of a successful shutdown is a moot point. Doesnt do much but slightly stop kiting, and must be used with [skill]earthbind[/skill] to be worth it. Since all good shutdowns are in the mesmer line, this makes 3 professions needed just to pull off a random KD. Not worth its elite status in the slightest.
As for [skill]Archer's Signet[/skill] It really needs to be switched to marksmanship in order to have use. The problem with it has been stated: in order to use it, you must have high expertise. If you have high expertise, you wont need to use it. Ive tried and tried to find a use for Archers signet, I really have. The main suggestion being concussion shot. But it just doesnt fly. No matter what build I came up with [skill]Prepared shot[/skill] Turned out to be a superior choice, simply because I could skimp expertise and put 16 in marksmanship, and still have the elite-worthy energy management, and more damage. And Prepared shot is giving you RAW energy to boot. Meaning its also more versatile then archers signet in that you can use prepared shot for other expenses.
Sophitia Leafblade
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Originally Posted by ArKaiN
when was the last time you had to do that?
[skill]concussion shot[/skill] <-- check the duration even at lower marksmanship It just occurred to me how positively horrible an expertise elite that lowers energy costs is. Your expertise is high, your costs are already lowered! And you threw away points in marksmanship that could be increasing your chances of criticalling! EW! Yes expertise lowers the cost but successive use of this skill its still extremely costly. Why would u be throwing away points in marksmanship? 13 Expertise, 16 Marksmanship and whatever else in wilderness. With these stats with none druids armour u can still only fire about 1/2 concussion shots off rapidly since they cost 12 energy. With the signet u can fire numerious ones off, allowing u to fire it mulitple times (either due to the 1st one missing or when facing numerous casters etc. and still be able to use otehr attack skills.
Darkpower Alchemist
Worst elite? That depends on what a player needs to make an elite worthy of its place on a bar. Archer's Signet sounds nice, but just doesn't make itself neccessary. PnH is interesting, but its another enchantment that can be stripped and thus deemed useless.
Their are better ways to create energy management, thus making these look "worst". The point is really that even if someone can find a way to use an elite that has little to no utilitarian use or defendable damage output in comparison to a non elite skill, your major hang up will always be 1 of 3 things: 1) Effectiveness 2) Efficeincy 3) Practicallity If you can't be effective,efficeint, and have have a practical use for the elite skill of choice over another, then it will be looked down upon. Your choice of skills will be looked at as questionable at best. I'm not saying that you should follow the crowd, but you must take these things into consideration when you develop a customized build. You have to do more than just "Make It Work!" 
Master Ketsu
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Originally Posted by Sophitia Leafblade
Yes expertise lowers the cost but successive use of this skill its still extremely costly. Why would u be throwing away points in marksmanship? 13 Expertise, 16 Marksmanship and whatever else in wilderness.
With these stats with none druids armour u can still only fire about 1/2 concussion shots off rapidly since they cost 12 energy. With the signet u can fire numerious ones off, allowing u to fire it mulitple times (either due to the 1st one missing or when facing numerous casters etc. and still be able to use otehr attack skills. There are better ways. Read my previous post on page 27.
blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by legacyofkain85
Hmm u must be jokeing right
ok barage , u must try it with rit secondary and splinter weapon if u manage to get a full barage the dmg it does on a pilled up mob is skyrocketing shield of judgement=the main dmg skill in invinci monk farming builds u can also use it with a smiting based monk and the ranger spirit brambles ss ,hmm same as shiled of judgement but it is used very mouch and not only for farming ,(ss spiker in doa anyone) dragon slash+soon and moon slash and 15 swordsmanship+"For Great Justice!"=spamable atacks i do agree on eviscerate well it was good ,once it had the same dmg as executioner strike but not so good for an elite atm u can pull out the same effect using wearing strike and avatar of melandru on a dervish as for grenth balance hmm i agree with u it is practicaly unused in pve except for some farming scenarios Your sarcasm detection skills could do some work And Eviscerate is like one of the best warrior elites in the game
Kiji
The worst skills i've ever seen:
[skill]Expert's Dexterity[/skill] [skill]Mark of Insecurity[/skill] - Probably the second still as some use, but the first... Well, unless you combine it with EW, that elite its the perfect self-energy-denial. :| So, because you depend to much on a spirit that can be killed quickly, for me, thats the worst skill ever.
Correct Jeans
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Originally Posted by Dinkytowner
If anyone has found a use for Spoil Victor I would love to hear it. Until then it gets my vote.
Shiro. Why havnt u thought of that?
Chrono Re delle Ere
Man there are many useless warrior elites....as Soldier's Stance....wtf, why I should use an elite for +33% attack rate (only if I'm under a shout or a song ) when I can simply use flail+rush? It's just pointless....or as another example of totally useless warrior elite we can choose Warrior's Endurance....and if you want to hear about the most crappy elite attack skill EVER, u should point at Decapitate....too many malus for me, crazy dmg, but too many malus.
Lourens
Worst elite - Broad Head Arrow
Concussion Shot FTW ! pooface_po
[skill]Plague Signet[/skill]
Another Idiot
plague signet???
haven't heard of draw conditions+plague signet, I think. Soul of the Scythe
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Originally Posted by Dinkytowner
If anyone has found a use for Spoil Victor I would love to hear it. Until then it gets my vote.
Any creature that has more health than you. Shiro especially. Mine at 18 Blood Magic did 920 damage to him each time he attacked with impossible odds and battle scars on. I also recieved this as healing. He went from about 30% health to dead in 2 attacks. It works on pretty much any boss and the less health you have, the better. Damn good for farming bosses.
street peddler
[skill]clamor of souls[/skill]
this skill makes no sense...if all these allies and foes are nearby...just use ancestors rage or spirit rift (despite the 3 second delay it can be used for a nice spike)
JDRyder
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Originally Posted by lilnate22
wow....
ok go find a use for quivering blade... wich is the same as glarath or silverwing xceot if u miss it is disabled and u are dazed.... go ahead find a use for that skill zomg ur a dazed waamo o no!!! how will u use healing hands mending and healing sig zomg ur so F***ed>_>
Cassius Brutus
Quivering Blade is actually fairly good. Shouldn't even be mentioned as a worst elite.
Although cleave isnt actually bad, there's eviscerate. Eviscerate>Cleave Is there any point in cleave?
Cebe
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Originally Posted by street peddler
[skill]clamor of souls[/skill]
this skill makes no sense...if all these allies and foes are nearby...just use ancestors rage or spirit rift (despite the 3 second delay it can be used for a nice spike) This is one skill I would really like to use...but compared with Ancestor's Rage, a non elite, it's just rubbish. It needs seriously changing before it can get any use though...all I know is right now it does not deserve it's elite status. All that being said I'm still not convinced it's the worse elite in the game. [wiki]Air of Enchantment[/wiki] would be my current choice.
Sophitia Leafblade
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Originally Posted by Master Ketsu
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and i agree there are other moethods of maintainence i wouldnt say they are better though. Your approach is conditional and it gains u energy rather than cutting the cost of skills. Any energy denial will make ur skills usless, with archers signet u can skill use them. Eg In RoF in the Wells u can still use several high damage attacks. Firing a Prepared shot may allow u to fire 1 more concussion shot, archers signet will allow u to fire several whihc is very handy when ur trying to interupt a fast casting creature in HM, u can guess when there going to cast before they do and if u dont hit the spell u can try again on the next spell after it recharges rather than waiting longer to restore ur energy again.[skill]Archer's Signet[/skill][skill]Read the wind[/skill][skill]Marauder's shot[/skill][skill]Concussion shot[/skill][skill]Penetrating Attack[/skill][skill]Savage Shot[/skill][skill]Throw Dirt[/skill][skill]Rebirth[/skill]
There is a good synigy with Marauders shot too, if u use it straight after Archers signet while ur skills are disabled breifly they will have been restored to normal just after marauders shot is fired this stops the down side to Marauders (atleast for that 1st shot)
The advantage of Archers signet is u can fire off a good number of high energy attacks, until u get low of energy, use Archers signet, and u can fire off several more for free, while ur energy increases, and by the time archers signet runs out u have the energy to fire off more attacks. It can work in any energy denial area unlike using prepared shot or Melandrus Shot and its unconditional energy management so it works even against foes that cant be poisoned or Bleed like Jades.
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Originally Posted by Master Ketsu
[skill]Prepared shot[/skill]Turned out to be a superior choice, simply because I could skimp expertise and put 16 in marksmanship, and still have the elite-worthy energy management, and more damage.
And Prepared shot is giving you RAW energy to boot. Meaning its also more versatile then archers signet in that you can use prepared shot for other expenses. I can still have 12+ in marksmanship and in 12 expertise I wouldnt say prepared shot is more versatile, since its conditional although i do agree it allows u to have energy for other skills, but then again if ur skills cost less ur going to have the energy for those other skills anyways
shoogi
I'd say Skull Crack.
it even costs 9 adrenaline omg
ShadowsRequiem
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Originally Posted by JDRyder
zomg ur a dazed waamo o no!!! how will u use healing hands mending and healing sig zomg ur so F***ed>_>
haha that made me lol...
Quivering blade is awesome for dps as you can spam a bunch of 4 adrenline skills. daze does nothing to a warrior, he must be some dumb w/n using life siphon or raising minions!
holababe
[skill]Glimmering Mark[/skill] imo
I haven't seen it used yet.
blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by JDRyder
zomg ur a dazed waamo o no!!! how will u use healing hands mending and healing sig zomg ur so F***ed>_>
Dazed doesn't affect Healing sigbet
elektra_lucia
Amity.
It is rubbish.
jrk247
[skill]Decapitate[/skill] Pretty bad, if it's blocked you're screwed. It's just a damage buffed conditional Eviscerate.
[skill]Ravenous Gaze[/skill] Just an all around bad elite. If you don't get the bonus it's just like a weak Vamp Gaze. [skill]Plague Signet[/skill] Shouldn't even be an elite if you ask me. [skill]Second Wind[/skill] I don't even think this should be a normal skill.  [skill]Mist Form[/skill] So you just stand there?  Enchantment remover > MF
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