Worst Elite in the Game

ctbear

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

Mo/

One for each profession
[skill]Primal Rage[/skill]
[skill]Archer's Signet[/skill]
[skill]Balthazar's Pendulum[/skill]
[skill]Plague Signet[/skill]
[skill]Second Wind[/skill]
[skill]Tease[/skill]
[skill]Wastrel's Collapse[/skill]
[skill]"Incoming!"[/skill]
[skill]Arcane Zeal[/skill]
[skill]Xinrae's Weapon[/skill]

forbidden beauty

forbidden beauty

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Aug 2007

england

E/Me

there is alot of hate for second wind yet is is meant to be used as a last resort, as most elementalists know if their energy runs out they are sitting ducks, if you have 30 points of exaustion and absolutely no energy that 30 points even with the extra exaustion may just be the diference between dieing in the pvp arenas.

ps
btw i know that people will say that with energy management you cant hit 0 energy but when a mesmer with energy stealing skills sets his mind to you, you dont have much chance of energy management.

Necronator

Necronator

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2006

Everywhere?

Forgotten Warlords

N/Me

arcane zeal has a lot of uses,doesn't have to come from derv ench. Arcane also counts as one enchant. Incoming is an extremely good elite, stops spikes in a heart beat. Balths pend could be better if it effected more than 1 KD.


Damn you Wii Internet Channel.

tuna-fish_sushi

tuna-fish_sushi

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

California

E/A

Shadow Form Sucks. Sooo many times has it failed my while farming greens.
No one uses it in pvp. end.

but to be realisitc "The power is yours" is really crappy. First of all yey i gained 7 energy I can cast orison of healing one more time! Oh to bad the paragon not only suffers the 10 energy loss but also -10energy regen for 10seconds which actually comes out to wasting 43 energy. Or if the Paragon only had 10 energy he is basically useless for the next 10 seconds throwing his leet spear for 10 damage.

Stormlord Alex

Stormlord Alex

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island

Soul of Melandru [sOm]

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by tuna-fish_sushi
but to be realisitc "The power is yours" is really crappy. First of all yey i gained 7 energy I can cast orison of healing one more time! Oh to bad the paragon not only suffers the 10 energy loss but also -10energy regen for 10seconds which actually comes out to wasting 43 energy. Or if the Paragon only had 10 energy he is basically useless for the next 10 seconds throwing his leet spear for 10 damage. Actually, the Spear has incredible DPS, as well as just about the best IAS in the game - Agressive Refrain - available to it.
"The Power Is Yours!" still sucks though, yeah.

Abedeus

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

R/

Warrior skills:
[skill]Whirling Axe[/skill] [skill]Skull Crack[/skill] [skill]Forceful Blow[/skill]
Whirling and Forcefuls are bad. Axe is bad, because it has lower DPS than Cleave, and Forceful, because it is only +damage and weakness... And both have horrible side effects - 15 sec disabled or knockdown? With that much amount of blocking in PvE, they are really useless. And Skull Crack - 9 adren to interrupt one foe? And WOW, Daze... Only in FoW farming build ;d
Ritualist skills:
[skill]Defiant was Xinrae[/skill][skill]Xinrae's Weapon[/skill]
No, rly. Who uses this? Before and after nerf (and after disnerf)... I never seen anyone.
Dervish skills:
[skill]Avatar of Grenth[/skill] can be usable only in PvE with the Sunspear skill.
Monk skills:
[skill]Amity[/skill] [skill]Peace and harmony[/skill]

Amity... no way this is a skill. Even non-elite, it's almost useless. And PnH is good only because a high-ranked guild is named after this skill.
Elementalist skill:
[skill]Second Wind[/skill]
C'mon... Use this over SF/SH/dual attunements?
Assassin Skill:
[skill]Wastrel's Collapse[/skill]
A joke, not a skill. Elite joke.
Ranger skill:
[skill]Archer's Signet[/skill]
Woot, free Concussion Shots. Leet. I would rather take BHA or Prepared Shot or any other elite.
And one thing - Poison Arrow was one of the best elites before Factions, so if you say it's bad elite - you are a bad player.
Mesmer skill:
[skill]Tease[/skill]
At first I would put Keystone Signet, but with the buff to Fast Casting, some people may start using signets to fight. Tease is currently the most useless, the worst balanced skill EVER. But if not the part ,,ends if foe hits you'', I would take this elite. Or if it was AoE. In The Area.
Paragon skill:
[skill]"Incoming!"[/skill]
Yay, Kormir has a useless skill!
Necro skill:
[skill]Plague Signet[/skill]
Still sup-par elite.

Master Ketsu

Master Ketsu

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

middle of nowhere

Krazy Guild With Krazy People [KrZy]

R/

Minor disagreements with a few skills:

[skill]Plague signet[/skill] = I tried this after the recent buff. The old n/mo draw conditions combo actually works pretty well now. Tried it in TA with a N/mo Curses ( insiduous parasite, price, ect. ) and used this. Especially good now that TA meta is daze heavy, and nothings sweeter then taking daze off your monk and putting it on THEIR monk ftw, while shutting down their melee at the same time.

[skill]peace and harmony[/skill] People dont seem to notice the one reason why this skill isnt as uberleet as Mantra, or OoB, or Offering of Spirit, or pretty much any other e-management skill. You can put it on other people. 1 monk using peace and harmony on himself ? Crap elite, No where near worth it. P&H in a 3 ~ 4 monk team, with one monk maintaining it on himself and the others ? Now we have something elite worthy here. Whats good in this setup is that the other monks dont have to worry about it.

Abedeus

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

R/

Really? PnH is 5 energy in 15 seconds. So you gain... what? 30 energy in 90 seconds? Hell, you can get with good old Mantra of Recall 22 energy in 20 seconds, or, if you like, 99 in 90 seconds. You get about 3 times more energy... Sure, you pay a little bit, so the net gain is smaller, but same with PnH.

Master Ketsu

Master Ketsu

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

middle of nowhere

Krazy Guild With Krazy People [KrZy]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Abedeus
Really? PnH is 5 energy in 15 seconds. So you gain... what? 30 energy in 90 seconds? Hell, you can get with good old Mantra of Recall 22 energy in 20 seconds, or, if you like, 99 in 90 seconds. You get about 3 times more energy... Sure, you pay a little bit, so the net gain is smaller, but same with PnH. Did you actually read the reason why I said PnH isnt bad ?

I know the net gain from PnH is crap compared to other elite energy gain.

The idea behind it is for one monk to maintain it on multiple monks. Then the net gain averages out. Note the high duration despite its low recharge and ability to target allies.

Its definatly not the greatest elite, but its not bad either.

druggedchimp

druggedchimp

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

My take on a few ranger skills is as follows.

[skill]Expert's Dexterity[/skill]

I've tried so hard to put this in a build with no luck.
Kinda depressing...

[skill]Scavenger's Focus[/skill]

Low conditional damage on an elite skill FTL.

[skill]Lacerate[/skill]

What the &*#% !!
It's worse than toxicity...

payne

payne

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

england (currently located on the south coast)

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by lilnate22
wow....
ok go find a use for quivering blade... wich is the same as glarath or silverwing xceot if u miss it is disabled and u are dazed....

go ahead find a use for that skill plague quiverer build

great build for hero warriors to use...no intelligents req. koss uses it great for me and works wonders in HM

Dean Harper

Dean Harper

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

USA

The Killer Clan Musketeers [TKCM]

Me/E

War: [skill]Primal Rage[/skill]

Monk: [skill]Amity[/skill]

Ele: [skill]Glimmering Mark[/skill]

Necro: [skill]Plague Signet[/skill]

Mesmer: [skill]Tease[/skill]

Ranger: [skill]Archer's Signet[/skill]

Ritualist: [skill]Spirit's Strength[/skill]

Assassin: [skill]Shroud of Silence[/skill]

Paragon: [skill]"Incoming!"[/skill]

Dervish: [skill]Vow of Strength[/skill]

distilledwill

distilledwill

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Blighty

The Legion of the Blue Blade

R/Mo

I disagree that vow of strength is the worst dervish elite, ever tried it in combination with Aura of Holy Might, combined with an increased attack speed it can tear thru most mobs.

Again, spirits strength is awesome. The spirit assassin build can deal huge amounts of damage in AB.

bhavv

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

Glimmering mark and spirit's strength are both awesome. Perma blind hex unless removed, or imba damage Rt/A's.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Abedeus
Warrior skills:
[skill]Whirling Axe[/skill] [skill]Skull Crack[/skill] [skill]Forceful Blow[/skill]
Whirling and Forcefuls are bad. Axe is bad, because it has lower DPS than Cleave, and Forceful, because it is only +damage and weakness... And both have horrible side effects - 15 sec disabled or knockdown? With that much amount of blocking in PvE, they are really useless. And Skull Crack - 9 adren to interrupt one foe? And WOW, Daze... Only in FoW farming build ;d
Ritualist skills:
[skill]Defiant was Xinrae[/skill][skill]Xinrae's Weapon[/skill]
No, rly. Who uses this? Before and after nerf (and after disnerf)... I never seen anyone.
Dervish skills:
[skill]Avatar of Grenth[/skill] can be usable only in PvE with the Sunspear skill.
Monk skills:
[skill]Amity[/skill] [skill]Peace and harmony[/skill]

Amity... no way this is a skill. Even non-elite, it's almost useless. And PnH is good only because a high-ranked guild is named after this skill.
Elementalist skill:
[skill]Second Wind[/skill]
C'mon... Use this over SF/SH/dual attunements?
Assassin Skill:
[skill]Wastrel's Collapse[/skill]
A joke, not a skill. Elite joke.
Ranger skill:
[skill]Archer's Signet[/skill]
Woot, free Concussion Shots. Leet. I would rather take BHA or Prepared Shot or any other elite.
And one thing - Poison Arrow was one of the best elites before Factions, so if you say it's bad elite - you are a bad player.
Mesmer skill:
[skill]Tease[/skill]
At first I would put Keystone Signet, but with the buff to Fast Casting, some people may start using signets to fight. Tease is currently the most useless, the worst balanced skill EVER. But if not the part ,,ends if foe hits you'', I would take this elite. Or if it was AoE. In The Area.
Paragon skill:
[skill]"Incoming!"[/skill]
Yay, Kormir has a useless skill!
Necro skill:
[skill]Plague Signet[/skill]
Still sup-par elite. teasewnage skill on the right enemies(and if theyre hitting....ever heard of blind?)
xinrae'sve mob shutdown=ftw
skull cracklay it in the right build and you got a nice pressure run

but imo worst elite is archer's signet(pfft...zero energy bow attacks...when you have expertise ANYWAY?)

EDIT:also will like to say primal rage and derv dmg buffs are ftw:P
and the fact that vow of strength with derv dmg buffs own too

StickyPanda

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Apr 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dean Harper
War: [skill]Primal Rage[/skill]

Monk: [skill]Amity[/skill]

Ele: [skill]Glimmering Mark[/skill]

Necro: [skill]Plague Signet[/skill]

Mesmer: [skill]Tease[/skill]

Ranger: [skill]Archer's Signet[/skill]

Ritualist: [skill]Spirit's Strength[/skill]

Assassin: [skill]Shroud of Silence[/skill]

Paragon: [skill]"Incoming!"[/skill]

Dervish: [skill]Vow of Strength[/skill]

AGHFJSAFHSGDSJDS


SPIRIT's STRENGTH IS THE WORST RITUALIST ELITE!?!?!?!?

Gah sorry for caps, I just feel like ripping someone's head off. =D

Surely it's not the best, but it's incredibly fun and has it's uses. Ever consider a Rt/D with that skill? Add aura of holy mght to that mix. Thinking of changing your mind yet? Thought so.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

Spirit's Strength is not a bad elite.

Put it on a Rt/D and you have a melee killing machine.

Put it on a Rt/A and you have some extreme dps.

OI-812

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

Somewhere between GW and Fchan on the nets

None

R/D

Does anyone else here think that [skill]Primal Rage[/skill] might actually be decent if it were in Beast Mastery on a Ranger?

EDIT: Also, [skill]Shroud of silence[/skill] utterly destroyed my high DPS ele hero team last night. Not the worst skill for a sin IMO.

EDIT 2: [skill]Vow of Strength[/skill] + [skill]Heket's Rampage[/skill] seems like a nice combo to me. VoStrength worst elite? No.

Sir Pandra Pierva

Sir Pandra Pierva

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Sardelec yelling at Tenshi

Angels Of Strife

E/

worst elite in the game
Balths pendulem really has no use at all. I can't even think it would be good as a non elite skill.

Productivity

Productivity

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Ketsu
[skill]peace and harmony[/skill] People dont seem to notice the one reason why this skill isnt as uberleet as Mantra, or OoB, or Offering of Spirit, or pretty much any other e-management skill. You can put it on other people. 1 monk using peace and harmony on himself ? Crap elite, No where near worth it. P&H in a 3 ~ 4 monk team, with one monk maintaining it on himself and the others ? Now we have something elite worthy here. Whats good in this setup is that the other monks dont have to worry about it. 3 or 4 monk team = fail

bryann380

bryann380

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

USA

Mo/

In my opinion, for assassins, the worst is Shadow Form. Yes, you're invincible for X seconds but when it ends, lose all but 5 to 50 health. If against a large mob, they could remove that enchantment then quickly kill you. And there are non-spell skills that Shadow Form does NOT protect you from.

Dronte

Dronte

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Sep 2006

Shadow Form is a pretty leet skill for farming, so we cant say its the worst elite for sins.

Blu

Blu

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2007

Michigan

Blades of Burning Shadows [GoDT]

R/

Primal Rage, Amity, Strike as One, Plague Signet, Tease, Incoming, Wastrel's Collapse, Avatar of Grenth, Xinrae's Weapon, Second Wind.

Also, how do you put the skill icons in posts? Thanks.

Winterclaw

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

W/

Use the [skill] tag.

100 blades isn't that great as the core warrior sword elite.

jon0592

jon0592

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

N/

I don't see the point of [skill]Stone Sheath[/skill] when we ha ve [skill]Stone Striker[/skill]

OI-812

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

Somewhere between GW and Fchan on the nets

None

R/D

Quote:
Originally Posted by jon0592
I don't see the point of [skill]Stone Sheath[/skill] when we ha ve [skill]Stone Striker[/skill] Agreed, [skill]stone sheath[/skill]'s only real advantage over [skill]stone striker[/skill] is prevention of criticals, which might be marginally useful in PvP but hardly worth wasting an elite skillslot on in PvP or PvE. [skill]stone sheath[/skill] DOES give the benefit of [skill]stone striker[/skill] to potentially the entire party, however.

Snow Bunny

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

balth's pendulum sucks so much though.

moko

moko

??uo??o??

Join Date: May 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
balth's pendulum sucks so much though. not in TA!

RhanoctJocosa

RhanoctJocosa

Legendary Korean

Join Date: Aug 2006

The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blu
Avatar of Grenth It dominated when NF was released, it just got a duration nerf. It's far from the worst elite in the game...

Balth Pend isn't that good, it's just nice to slot into smiter bars in TA since they are meta. Imo, maybe ~60 damage at 12 smiting when it prevents kd.

Stranger The Ranger

Stranger The Ranger

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Those Netherlands

Dynasty Warriors [DW]

R/

[skill]barrage[/skill]

Wööt! Mighteh Rang0rs c4n d00 AoE dmg!!11

Yes, I know at has some uses, but really, every stereotypical PuG R/Mo is spamming this skill like crazy, seriously, if you want to do AoE dmg and mash the same button(s) all the time, just delete your Ranger and create an Ele...

izzywish

izzywish

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

Manchester, UK

Carpe Nocte [StN]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stranger The Ranger
[skill]barrage[/skill]

Wööt! Mighteh Rang0rs c4n d00 AoE dmg!!11

Yes, I know at has some uses, but really, every stereotypical PuG R/Mo is spamming this skill like crazy, seriously, if you want to do AoE dmg and mash the same button(s) all the time, just delete your Ranger and create an Ele... Hmm, so that's why there are so many ppl looking for El's at Tombs? I had wondered about that

Stranger The Ranger

Stranger The Ranger

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Those Netherlands

Dynasty Warriors [DW]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by izzywish
Hmm, so that's why there are so many ppl looking for El's at Tombs? I had wondered about that Like I said, Barrage is useful for some situations, 1 of those is B/P teams.
But I just dont get it why Barrage is the only skill some 'Rangers' use though all campains, I'd take Burning Arrow, BHA or Prepared Shot over Barrage any day.

Brood_Star

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

Know a Man Ask [Life]

By your logic...

Burning Arrow is crap because you just get 5 sec 10 hp regen. If you want to degen, delete your Ranger and play a Mesmer.

Prepared Shot is crap because you just get 22 damage and 7 energy. If you want to deal continous DPS, delete your Ranger and play a DSlash Warrior.

BHA is too sexy so I can't fit anything in here

Still, Barrage has its uses. Eles are probably > but sometimes just varying up your play is cool. Plus a good rit with splinter weapon is gg and might even outdps eles

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brood_Star
By your logic...

Burning Arrow is crap because you just get 5 sec 10 hp regen. If you want to degen, delete your Ranger and play a Mesmer.

Prepared Shot is crap because you just get 22 damage and 7 energy. If you want to deal continous DPS, delete your Ranger and play a DSlash Warrior.

BHA is too sexy so I can't fit anything in here

Still, Barrage has its uses. Eles are probably > but sometimes just varying up your play is cool. Plus a good rit with splinter weapon is gg and might even outdps eles Burning arrow:does mesmer offer the same damage+degen at less energy?no.
Prepared shot:hey look,anti adrenaline skills>>>adrenaline
Barrage:ill have to agree on you there

conclusion:has there ever been a warrior spike with d-slash?why arent degen mesmers used in gvg for splitting when youve got BA rangers?
prepared shot is mainly used for the energy management btw

Snow Bunny

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mokone
not in TA! I stand corrected.

Dark Paladin X

Dark Paladin X

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

A/

let see now
[skill]Gust[/skill] [skill]Ride the Lightning[/skill] [skill]Glimmer of Light[/skill] and [skill]Plague Signet[/skill]

enough said

Tab

Tab

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2006

Under a bridge

Team Quitter [QQ]

Mo/

How exactly is Glimmer worse than Amity? Archer's Signet?

DokkyDok

DokkyDok

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2007

Interested in finding one.

Mo/

[skill]Amity[/skill]

Probably already has some "votes" in the thread already.
I really wouldn't take this skill even if it was not elite.
Shorten the recharge & duration, the changes many skills get to be PvP worthy.

Arkantos

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

Ride the lightning spike, gogo?

noocoo

noocoo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

I don't know that they are the worst or not. I just never seen ppl used them.

--
ok, I edit them...
I hope Anet would buff or rework them, and then we will have much more new builds to play.
I think it is also a good way to extend the life of GW.
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[skill]Skull Crack[/skill][skill]Marksman's Wager[/skill][skill]Amity[/skill][skill]Mark of Protection[/skill][skill]Aura of Faith[/skill][skill]Keystone Signet[/skill][skill]Ether Renewal[/skill][skill]Primal Rage[/skill][skill]Equinox[/skill][skill]Lacerate[/skill]
[skill]Withdraw Hexes[/skill][skill]Ray of Judgment[/skill][skill]Word of Censure[/skill][skill]Weaken Knees[/skill][skill]Soul Bind[/skill][skill]Order of Apostasy[/skill][skill]Shared Burden[/skill][skill]Double Dragon[/skill][skill]Energy Boon[/skill][skill]Shadow Shroud[/skill]
[skill]Clamor of Souls[/skill][skill]Signet of Spirits[/skill][skill]Tranquil Was Tanasen[/skill][skill]Magehunter's Smash[/skill][skill]Magehunter Strike[/skill][skill]Strike as One[/skill][skill]Infuriating Heat[/skill][skill]Quicksand[/skill][skill]Pain of Disenchantment[/skill][skill]Symbols of Inspiration[/skill]
[skill]Extend Conditions[/skill][skill]Tease[/skill][skill]Air of Disenchantment[/skill][skill]Mark of Insecurity[/skill][skill]Shadow Meld[/skill][skill]Wastrel's Collapse[/skill][skill]Xinrae's Weapon[/skill][skill]Signet of Ghostly Might[/skill][skill]Zealous Vow[/skill]