Worst Elite in the Game
Nate
o god unyielding aura...honestly i don't see much of a point
moenbase
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Originally Posted by SnipiousMax
Archer's Signet is the worst elite skill, because it is bad from concept up. It is more effecitve with Higher expertise....and yet with more expertise you need it less. Ridiculous.
Well, it allows you to spam Concussion shot and such skills quite often, and for free.
But yea, if you have high Expertise it's mostly better to use something else...
I find the elite spirit skills for the Ranger pretty useless. It effects the team as well. And usually in a bad way.
But yea, if you have high Expertise it's mostly better to use something else...
I find the elite spirit skills for the Ranger pretty useless. It effects the team as well. And usually in a bad way.
NinjaKai
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Originally Posted by Nate
o god unyielding aura...honestly i don't see much of a point
Torturing wammos.
dgb
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Originally Posted by Nate
o god unyielding aura...honestly i don't see much of a point
I allways bring it if I'm forced to PUG monk in PVE for something. It's the best idiot control in the game.
Whammo runs off to aggro far too much.
Whammo dies.
Let someone else pull and res whammo once he can safely kill what's there, then turn it off again.
Whammo runs off to aggro far too much.
Whammo dies.
Let someone else pull and res whammo once he can safely kill what's there, then turn it off again.
glountz
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Originally Posted by Mithie
No. Life Sheath doesn't work like RoF. RoF's damage reduction only works for the NEXT HIT, whereas life sheath will "stick" until ALL 126 damage is negated.
For example, I slap RoF on someone, and they get wanded by an ele for 2 damage. BAM, they take 0 damage and the RoF is gone. A warrior goes up to my target and unloads an adren spike on him. He dies.
Same example, but with life sheath: I slap life sheath on the same target, he gets wanded by an ele. BAM! He takes zero damage but life sheath is STILL ON, just that it can only absorb 124 damage now instead of 126. Then, the same warrior goes up to my target and eviscerates him. BAM! My target STILL takes 0 damage, and life sheath is STILL on, just that now, it can only absorb 124-65 = 59 damage now. The war follows up with Exec strike, BAM! My target takes 0 damage AND LIFE SHEATH IS STILL ON! except now, it can only absorb 59-10 = 9 damage. The warrior finishes his spike with pen blow. BAM! Life sheath goes away because it absorbed all the damage it could, and now my target takes 60-9 = 51 damage.
See how useful life sheath is compared to RoF? It's like giving your target an additional 126 hp for 5 energy, and it's quasi spammable with a 7 sec recharge! Yeah, and what is the odds you get wanded on RoF? Seriously.
Life sheath doesn't deserve its elite status. I might tweak my post to RoF "potentially" absorb the same amount of damage.
All your counter argument lays on wanding. In PvP, I didn't know that monks were wanded to death. I took RoF only because it's the nearest skill you can find.
I hope you will win high end PvP with Life Sheath. Please give me an example of a build incorporating it.
For example, I slap RoF on someone, and they get wanded by an ele for 2 damage. BAM, they take 0 damage and the RoF is gone. A warrior goes up to my target and unloads an adren spike on him. He dies.
Same example, but with life sheath: I slap life sheath on the same target, he gets wanded by an ele. BAM! He takes zero damage but life sheath is STILL ON, just that it can only absorb 124 damage now instead of 126. Then, the same warrior goes up to my target and eviscerates him. BAM! My target STILL takes 0 damage, and life sheath is STILL on, just that now, it can only absorb 124-65 = 59 damage now. The war follows up with Exec strike, BAM! My target takes 0 damage AND LIFE SHEATH IS STILL ON! except now, it can only absorb 59-10 = 9 damage. The warrior finishes his spike with pen blow. BAM! Life sheath goes away because it absorbed all the damage it could, and now my target takes 60-9 = 51 damage.
See how useful life sheath is compared to RoF? It's like giving your target an additional 126 hp for 5 energy, and it's quasi spammable with a 7 sec recharge! Yeah, and what is the odds you get wanded on RoF? Seriously.
Life sheath doesn't deserve its elite status. I might tweak my post to RoF "potentially" absorb the same amount of damage.
All your counter argument lays on wanding. In PvP, I didn't know that monks were wanded to death. I took RoF only because it's the nearest skill you can find.
I hope you will win high end PvP with Life Sheath. Please give me an example of a build incorporating it.
Ehrenia
Well, where do i start....
Eles:
Gust is a waste of an elite, 2 seconds cast is too long and its just better to take any other kd which is less conditional :S
Shatterstone again, why would you fill your elite slot with this is beyond me.
Mesmers:
All mesmer elites are useful, but I suppose the least useful is Shatter Storm.
Monk:
Aura of Faith, alright its not useless as a skill, but its a waste as an elite.
Ray of Judgement... just awful that its disabling you for 10 seconds, its bad damage and thank god its particularly good against animated undead! horrible recharge too....
Withdraw Hexes has a devastating casting time, with a bad drawback of an insanely long recharge IF you've done what the spell is meant for :S
Necro:
Wither is too easily removed.
Plague Signet isnt work using unless you plan on having 6 or more conditions every 10 seconds.
Ranger:
Archer's Signet of course for reasons already stated all over this thread.
Broadhead Arrow. Unconditional daze, so what, its utter ****. If you are dazing, then you are on someone who will cast, therefore Concussion shot is much better, not checking now but it may even daze for longer if I recall correctly.
Glass Arrows - Melandru's Arrows just owns this.
(To those who think ranger elite spirits are useless; they are not useless and have many viable applications.)
Warrior:
Dwarven Battle Stance is horrible for interupting. Great every hit interupts and you are using the slowest weapon in the game, and you can't use a fast attack stance because then you won't interrupt.
Primal Rage shouldn't disable skills.... waste of an elite.... again.
Whirling Axe would be better as non-elite needing about 4 adrenaline.
Ritualist:
Grasping was Kuurong: 15 energy, long cast and long recharge of 30 seconds to knock down within a small radius and do near-on no damage. Simply never worth it.
Spirit Light Weapon - slightly unsure here, if when it says, not near a spirit, it means not nearby; then it is useless and will almost never last its duration. But if in fact it means when not under the effect of a spirit, then it is an effective heal.
Assassin:
Seaping Wound can be useful, it is not a bad skill, but as an elite? Never.
I think thats it. Worst worst worst elite I guess, out of the ones I put here would be....hm... its a tough call between Ray of Judgement and Primal Rage, I'll go for Ray of Judgement. As an elite, it is absolutely 100% crap.
Eles:
Gust is a waste of an elite, 2 seconds cast is too long and its just better to take any other kd which is less conditional :S
Shatterstone again, why would you fill your elite slot with this is beyond me.
Mesmers:
All mesmer elites are useful, but I suppose the least useful is Shatter Storm.
Monk:
Aura of Faith, alright its not useless as a skill, but its a waste as an elite.
Ray of Judgement... just awful that its disabling you for 10 seconds, its bad damage and thank god its particularly good against animated undead! horrible recharge too....
Withdraw Hexes has a devastating casting time, with a bad drawback of an insanely long recharge IF you've done what the spell is meant for :S
Necro:
Wither is too easily removed.
Plague Signet isnt work using unless you plan on having 6 or more conditions every 10 seconds.
Ranger:
Archer's Signet of course for reasons already stated all over this thread.
Broadhead Arrow. Unconditional daze, so what, its utter ****. If you are dazing, then you are on someone who will cast, therefore Concussion shot is much better, not checking now but it may even daze for longer if I recall correctly.
Glass Arrows - Melandru's Arrows just owns this.
(To those who think ranger elite spirits are useless; they are not useless and have many viable applications.)
Warrior:
Dwarven Battle Stance is horrible for interupting. Great every hit interupts and you are using the slowest weapon in the game, and you can't use a fast attack stance because then you won't interrupt.
Primal Rage shouldn't disable skills.... waste of an elite.... again.
Whirling Axe would be better as non-elite needing about 4 adrenaline.
Ritualist:
Grasping was Kuurong: 15 energy, long cast and long recharge of 30 seconds to knock down within a small radius and do near-on no damage. Simply never worth it.
Spirit Light Weapon - slightly unsure here, if when it says, not near a spirit, it means not nearby; then it is useless and will almost never last its duration. But if in fact it means when not under the effect of a spirit, then it is an effective heal.
Assassin:
Seaping Wound can be useful, it is not a bad skill, but as an elite? Never.
I think thats it. Worst worst worst elite I guess, out of the ones I put here would be....hm... its a tough call between Ray of Judgement and Primal Rage, I'll go for Ray of Judgement. As an elite, it is absolutely 100% crap.
gasmaskman
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Originally Posted by glountz
I hope you will win high end PvP with Life Sheath. Please give me an example of a build incorporating it.
Like someone said before, just because it isn't in a cookie-cutter build doesn't mean it's useless.
Hell, I love life sheath. Just because most monks don't run it doesn't make it less useful.
Anyways, ROF almost rarely heals its full amount. "the next time target ally would take damage, that ally gains that amount of Health instead" So, that ally takes a few damage (10 or so). You'd have to recast RoF (@ 5 energy) to prevent the next damage. Life Sheath is still there after that 10 damage. How is that useless? You have to spam RoF (at 5 energy each time) to negate damage, but Life Sheath negates it for a full 20 seconds (unless of course the full damage has been done, then you could probably recast it).
Hell, I love life sheath. Just because most monks don't run it doesn't make it less useful.
Anyways, ROF almost rarely heals its full amount. "the next time target ally would take damage, that ally gains that amount of Health instead" So, that ally takes a few damage (10 or so). You'd have to recast RoF (@ 5 energy) to prevent the next damage. Life Sheath is still there after that 10 damage. How is that useless? You have to spam RoF (at 5 energy each time) to negate damage, but Life Sheath negates it for a full 20 seconds (unless of course the full damage has been done, then you could probably recast it).
trecca
Dwarven Battle Stance
attack 10% faster and interrupt... for 7 second (an hammer war normally use 9 in strength) > lol
It's a trash skill
attack 10% faster and interrupt... for 7 second (an hammer war normally use 9 in strength) > lol
It's a trash skill
Dragonious
Whirling Axe. 15 seconds is all you need to know....
Addone_Abaddon
for me to answer this, we'd have to give a definition of what an elite SHOULD be.
Terra Xin
Someone mentioned shatter storm?? How can you not like shatterstorm? It completely screws a Boon Prot over...
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by Terra Xin
Someone mentioned shatter storm?? How can you not like shatterstorm? It completely screws a Boon Prot over...
How does it screw a boonprot? 
Avarre
They have to recast boon! FIVE energy lost! 
Arkantos
Oops, I was thinking of another skill Shatterstone, Shatter Storm, almost the same! 
Shatterstone, Shatter Storm, almost the same!
EPO Bot
I think shared burden should give you some energy when it ends.The way it works now i rather take the two normal burdens since they are great to both slow warriors and regenerate energy.
Also i hate second wind.Not because it's bad, but because of the "side effects"
Also i hate second wind.Not because it's bad, but because of the "side effects"
maraxusofk
By far keystone signet. great, u lose all ur skills except ur signet, which ranges from heal sig (2 second recharge), to sig of rejuv (5 sec). THKS Keystone! i lose my adredline, most of my skills for x seconds, and my elite spot to use some lame signest mroe than once(it doesnt even recharge rez sig)!
Helll is for Heroes
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Originally Posted by glountz
I hope you will win high end PvP with Life Sheath. Please give me an example of a build incorporating it.
Blood spike.
gg.
gg.
Dreikki
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Originally Posted by Dragonious
Whirling Axe. 15 seconds is all you need to know....
You don't get blocked alot.
Still it gives you a moderate source of damage when it costs only 2 adrenaline.
Still it gives you a moderate source of damage when it costs only 2 adrenaline.
The Real Roy Keane
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Originally Posted by Dreikki
You don't get blocked alot.
Maybe if you're playing as a Monk..
It's a horrible skill, not only because of its vicious conditional recharge, which you can be certain will be triggered frequently, but because spamming it will render your other adrenal skills unusable.
Maybe if you're playing as a Monk..
It's a horrible skill, not only because of its vicious conditional recharge, which you can be certain will be triggered frequently, but because spamming it will render your other adrenal skills unusable.
The Primeval King
"It's Only A Flesh Wound" Paragon elite
Zinger314
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Originally Posted by The Primeval King
"It's Only A Flesh Wound" Paragon elite
Plague Sending. GG.
Plague Sending. GG.
Alleji
Uh.... I'd say Ride the Lightning if it wasn't for the uberleet wording on that skill.
So, keystone signet.
So, keystone signet.
Zuranthium
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Originally Posted by Arcador
==But what about Ether Renwal? it lasts 7-8 seconds and in the BEST scenario (which mean build based on it) You can gain around +3-5 energy. WOOT!!!!.
Umm...No? Enchanted with Aura of Rest + Earth Attune + Kinetic Armor + Ether Renewal. Cast Stone Daggers 4 times. Thats 22 net energy you gained after 4 FREE castings of Stone Staggers, not to mention a TON of health. They just need to increase the duration by a second (which becomes 2 seconds total when figuring in +20% enchant mod) to account for possibly being interrupted or whatever else.
Ahhh...I remember the early days when it had a 10 sec duration. It was by FAR the most popular elite in the game. (other than the ones that came in the pre-builds)
Ahhh...I remember the early days when it had a 10 sec duration. It was by FAR the most popular elite in the game.
(other than the ones that came in the pre-builds)
-Innocence-
Withdraw Hexes.
No self respecting monk would bother using this skill as hex removal because of:
1. It's 15 energy cost <--energy suicide
2. It's Conditional Recharge
Expel Hexes is a much better choice.
No self respecting monk would bother using this skill as hex removal because of:
1. It's 15 energy cost <--energy suicide
2. It's Conditional Recharge
Expel Hexes is a much better choice.
bunnys are ebil
signet of spirits, wither, withdraw hexes, shockwave, archers signet, glass arrows, all the ele mind elites, keystone sig, shatterstorm, amity, spirit light weapon, dwarven battle stance, shatterstone, and finally equinox
Helll is for Heroes
Ride the Lightning.
Excellent name, poor execution.
Excellent name, poor execution.
The Real Roy Keane
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Originally Posted by bunnys are ebil
signet of spirits, wither, withdraw hexes, shockwave, archers signet, glass arrows, all the ele mind elites, keystone sig, shatterstorm, amity, spirit light weapon, dwarven battle stance, shatterstone, and finally equinox
Wither is OK, and Shockwave could be worse. The rest are tripe though.
Dinkytowner
Shockwave is nice on a warder. One of the better ele elites imo.
Maria Moon
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Originally Posted by Arcador
==But what about Ether Renwal? it lasts 7-8 seconds and in the BEST scenario (which mean build based on it) You can gain around +3-5 energy. WOOT!!!!.
are you trying to say ether renewal is good or bad? cause if bad then dont be so sure,..the ele solo earth farm build is realliant on ether renwal as the energy and health regen
I Mean I
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Originally Posted by Rogmar
Icy Veins seems pretty bad, maybe it can combo with EoE...
OG spike+icy veins all dead gg
Worst elites:Flourish/Shove(some assasins use this but i can't udnerstand why)/Warrior endurance/Amity/Keystone Signet/heal as one/Second Wind/Energy boon (if you get exhasted you gain 2 energy)(i think)/Flourish
Worst elites:Flourish/Shove(some assasins use this but i can't udnerstand why)/Warrior endurance/Amity/Keystone Signet/heal as one/Second Wind/Energy boon (if you get exhasted you gain 2 energy)(i think)/Flourish
fallot
Shatterstone!
Thomas.knbk
Peace and Harmony
Shared Burden
Archer's signet
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Originally Posted by Sir Mad
Shared Burden
Archer's signet
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Oops my team survived!
Retards FTW!
Cuz otherwise your team would not survive if you used PaH
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Originally Posted by Master Adamdk
SoD rocks if your a monk. 50 - 70% chance to block attacks and you gain 15 - 27 armour. If you've got a Warrior attacking you, it'll own.
Actually if you have a warrior attacing you he'll own you because you need to spend 10e every 7 secs. xD
To all the keystone haters, I once ran a Me/Mo holy wrath build with holy wrath and 7 signets and it really worked in that build. Ok who am I kidding Keystone blows.
Evilsod
Warrior
Dwarven Battle Stance Primal Rage Primal Rage Primal Rage Oh and Primal Rage Ranger Heal As One Lacerate Equinox Famine <-- just because its awesome for self-pwning Shiro'kens doesn't mean its good Archers Signet Greater Conflagration Incendiary Arrows <--- its duration REALLY lets it down Glass Arrows Mesmer Panic (to an extent) Fevered Dreams Keystone Signet Arcane Languor Lyssa's Aura Monk Unyielding Aura Amity Withdraw Hexes Word of Censure (10 energy? You have to be kidding) Empathic Removal Necromancer Plague Signet (who but Grawls actually need this) Not too familiar with factions elites... but i don't recall some of em been any good Elementalist Mind Shock Mind Burn Mind Freeze Thunderclap Ether Renewal All factions elites bar Shockwave and Starburst (mirror of ice is amusiung... but useless).
Gumby
Spoil victor is an awsome skill to use on monks
famine is an awesome skill to use in uw (r/me and 55, r/me uses sv and av = dead monsters really fast) fevered dreams is nice, i made a gvg build once that was condition heavy.. its in-the area description means its the size of a well or ward.. BTW, for all you primal rage haters... doesnt matter that hammer is so slow, if u get off a hit during a heal sig or somthing you can EASILY do upwards of 200 dmg per, most i ever hit was a hammer war using Signet of Strength, JI, IWAY, Warriors Cunning and Primal Rage. use all before you go in to attack.. found a noob IW mesm in RA using frenzy and I one hit killed him with 460 damage.. worst would have to be i dunno.. keystone signet
gasmaskman
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Originally Posted by Evilsod
Mind Shock
Mind Burn Mind Freeze Not with the new update
Zuranthium
No, they still suck with the new update.
But ago ahead and try spamming those EXHAUSTION spells at me. I'll just laugh and kill you when every cast past the first or second is doing barely any damage and not causing any conditions.
Arcador
The point is not spamming them. Those are struck medium dmg 1 sec cast spells with after effect that can be combined with a deadly comb. Incedentary bonds + fireball + mind burn on non ele spellcaster? They will hit almost the same time.
Some Aoe + Mind Freeze + ice spikes or sth similar after? Anyway I don't see those comming in gvg anytime soon :P, but for AB, TA and even CA they can bring interesting happenings. Anyway Draw Hexes beats the crap out of Spoil Victor for this topic :P
Cebe
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Originally Posted by fallot
Shatterstone!
hell yea...it does a little bit of damage, then waits a bit, then does a little bit more damage?
Elite? NO!
PanGammon
Who in their right mind uses peace amd harmony for anything?
Poison Ivy
Unyeilding Aura...
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