22 Jul 2006 at 16:54 - 2
Don't bother, almost every regular to this area knows what is it.
Plus its in the sticky :P
22 Jul 2006 at 16:59 - 3
o well lol thx for the info lol, although i wish i could post it somwhere else so i could show ppl who hate assassins cus ppl who dont play assassins dont know about this and thats like 90 out of every 100 ppl
22 Jul 2006 at 17:13 - 4
Meh, i usually get into decent groups by saying "Critical barrager LFP" or create my own by stating exactly what i want ie "Team LF Tank, Healer monk (boon prot or other), Minion Master, Bonder OR second healer monk, Nuker."
usually gets enough people.
22 Jul 2006 at 18:04 - 5
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Don't Rush into battle like normal if you were used to using daggers, just stay back and let the warriors take aggro,
Oh, thats why people don't take us assassins into groups, because some assassins are stupid and rush in like a tank.
22 Jul 2006 at 18:11 - 6
Crit barager sucks anyway. A normal ranger with barrage is way better...
22 Jul 2006 at 18:16 - 7
Agreed, Crit Barrager the most useless build ever.
22 Jul 2006 at 23:13 - 8
Im sure when he logs on hell appreciate the useless flames. Maybe since no one wants melee assassins thats why this is used. If you dont have anything good to say besides "oh this build sucks" , dont say anything.
22 Jul 2006 at 23:30 - 9
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Originally Posted by fiery
Agreed, Crit Barrager the most useless build ever.
You only have a valid point if you actually point out reasons
The Main Advantage of this build is the bleeding Inflicted, so vs many high AL targets this build will actually Out-do a Ranger Primary
if you havent got anything worth reading to say, dont waste everybodys time
23 Jul 2006 at 01:20 - 10
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Originally Posted by Tainek
You only have a valid point if you actually point out reasons
The Main Advantage of this build is the bleeding Inflicted, so vs many high AL targets this build will actually Out-do a Ranger Primary
if you havent got anything worth reading to say, dont waste everybodys time
The secondary advantage being the Assassins higher rate of critical hits, meaning more damage.
23 Jul 2006 at 01:26 - 11
Crit Barrager works very well for an Assassin who wants to be comfortable in PvE. For variety, add a pet, because pets are fun. No other reason.
I have an assassin variant of this which I ought to write up. Core of it, though, is marksmanship = 3, beast mastery = 12. I use the longbow you get from the collector outside Fort Rankin, 11-18, +7 elemental resistance. For a pet, I just got the level 20 blue reef crawler at the beginning of the Boreas Seabed mission. The Elite is Assassin's Promise.
With such a weak bow, doesn't sound like it would do much, but it is intended for use out with a full set of henchies. The low damage bow has the advantage that you yourself don't attract attention! Your pet does all the work with pet skills, and with Assassin's Promise each combat ends with all skills recharged and usually full energy.
Welcome to Mowing Down the Wildlife 'R Us! I've tested it on all of the Southern Kurzick Map and it leaves great smoking heaps of wildlife in its wake. Be sure and carry couple interrupts if you are going after boss groups.
23 Jul 2006 at 09:08 - 12
TBH, I played as a trapasin before I capped barrage so I can be a critical Barrager. cept i found i much like the style of a trapasin over critical barrager. sure you can inflict bleeding (which to lvl24 monsters are nothing any way) and you can maintain a steady dmg output, it's just that... feels like i am doing absolutely nothing cept barrage, barrage, barrage, barrage, dist shot when a boss/monster is casting a spell, then continuing barraging
s th irrelated
did shenjiang yesterday, apparently assassin hate (to both crit barrager and others) has yet gone down...
23 Jul 2006 at 11:05 - 13
average Damage per shot with bow (ranger, mk16): 41,01
average Damage .... (assassin, mk12, crit 13, crt eye): 38,91
The assassin would also cause 6dps through bleeding, the ranger could use a brutal weapon from the ritualist line (which would make the ranger superior for damage dealing).
All in all, barrage rangers seem to be better.
23 Jul 2006 at 13:00 - 14
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Originally Posted by Elaine Donnerbalken
The assassin would also cause 6dps through bleeding, the ranger could use a brutal weapon from the ritualist line (which would make the ranger superior for damage dealing).
If the ranger cast the spell himself the damage per hit would be more, but the refire rate would be far worse almost cutting the damage in half depending on the target. If you were to have a ritualist babysitting your ranger, you would be better off just using a orders necro instead hitting the entire party at the same time with the buff.
23 Jul 2006 at 15:01 - 15
Heh wow lotz of discussion all i have to say is im comfortable it hits plenty of Criticals on the lvl 28s in raisu palace(most likely due to my 20/19 Sundering bow since it has armor penetration it increases my chances of striking with a critical hit)
23 Jul 2006 at 16:51 - 16
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Originally Posted by Shadow Maruader
(most likely due to my 20/19 Sundering bow since it has armor penetration it increases my chances of striking with a critical hit)
What?
And I lol'd with the screenshot of the bow. Why post that?
23 Jul 2006 at 16:56 - 17
I first heard about the "On Woman Blood Storm" build between the end of FPE and the release of Factions. I was very interested in it, but never played it.
Now I'm kind of sad when I see Assassins playing it in PvE, I'm much happier when I see an assassin play a dagger build effectively. But that's so rare...meh
23 Jul 2006 at 20:21 - 18
Yeh lol all u want but no matter i posted that bow and reply this morning and its already out of date as far as to bow goes because i just finished killing shiro and got my new bow(hell no its not vampiric cus i dont see the need for it also i cant keep my hp up effectivly when it drains...)The zealous one since i have however had a few energy issues as far as barrage and the spamming but as long as i hit criticals and esspecialy with a mob i wont have to worry about running out of energy, i love it looks cool too.
23 Jul 2006 at 20:24 - 19
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Originally Posted by fiery
Agreed, Crit Barrager the most useless build ever.
Actualy would u rather
A-Have a Sin using Daggers run in and die b/c he doesn have hit and run skills
B-Have a Sin who is good with hit and run skills but hardly puts out Dmg
C-Have a Crit/Barrager who uses a bow hitting up to 50s on lvl 28s with critical hits and causing that foe to bleed,along with the 6 available targets close together.
Which would you rather prefer its pretty clear to me that Crit/Barrager is not a useless build at all.
23 Jul 2006 at 20:29 - 20
+5 dmg per hit always.. wth? you arent switching bow between fights?
23 Jul 2006 at 20:37 - 21
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Originally Posted by Shadow Maruader
Heh wow lotz of discussion all i have to say is im comfortable it hits plenty of Criticals on the lvl 28s in raisu palace(most likely due to my 20/19 Sundering bow since it has armor penetration it increases my chances of striking with a critical hit)
Uhm, hate to break it to ya, but sundering doesn't increase your chance of a critical hit, it only increases the amount of damage you do on the off chance that it triggers the same time as the critical hit.
23 Jul 2006 at 21:00 - 22
Assassins try to find ways to make them seem more appealing to a group, but as a pvp'er who does some pve, I'd have to say using a bow is one of the worst uses for an assassin imaginable. Rangers need expertise to effectively use bows, even if you get back energy you have so much less utility than a regular barrager. If you're gonna be an assassin, either be a smart assassin with daggers, or do whatever you can to complete missions with henchmen. Don't compare assassin bow damage at 12 marksmanship to ranger bow damage at 16 marksmanship, instead, compare assassin damage at 16 dagger mastery to ranger damage at 16 marksmanship. If I want a ranger I'll take a ranger.
23 Jul 2006 at 21:29 - 23
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Originally Posted by Shadow Maruader
Actualy would u rather
A-Have a Sin using Daggers run in and die b/c he doesn have hit and run skills
B-Have a Sin who is good with hit and run skills but hardly puts out Dmg
C-Have a Crit/Barrager who uses a bow hitting up to 50s on lvl 28s with critical hits and causing that foe to bleed,along with the 6 available targets close together.
Which would you rather prefer its pretty clear to me that Crit/Barrager is not a useless build at all.
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I'll take a modified choice B, thanks, because as a dagger wielding Assassin, I know that I can dish out more damage in a shorter time than you can with your Critical Barrager build without resorting to trying to play at another Profession's game.
Assassins are made to be in-your-face-wtf-pwn!-and-GONE?! characters, not backline bowmen. Until more people start playing Assassins the way they should be played, and learning to improve, the hate for Assassins in PvE will never subside.
And by the way... 50 damage a hit with Bleeding on level 24+ foes? Sounds nice and all, but when your Assassin can match my Ranger's 80+ damage per hit (which, by the way, smokes you big time), then I'll be impressed.
Now, I'm not saying the Critical Barrager is a bad build. Not at all. What I'm saying is that people need to learn to play Assassins the way they are built to be played before they go off making fancy gimmick builds. I cleared the Factions campaign in a matter of days with my old Assassin, using henchies because groups were hard to come by. If I could do that with daggers, so can anyone else.
When people stop playing Assassins as Monks, Rangers, and Ritualists (among other obscure things), and start playing them like Assassins, then they will learn to properly deal with the "low" armor and close-range combos. When they learn to deal with being an Assassin, the hate will subside. Not before - only after.
