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Chaz_Fox

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Scotland (scots ftw)

UK Furry Alliance [UKFA]

Mo/Me

23 Jul 2006 at 18:15 - 1

Yesterday, during my 4th or so attempt at Thirsty River left me quite frustrated. Not because we lost near the end, not because i kept dying constantly and had max DP, but because of a stupid PUG. I dislike Pick Up Groups, but being a monk i depend on them to get through missions. Anywho we were killing sand giants to raise our morale, and three of us die at one point, including me. i hadn't noticed for a bit, but one person (the leader of our group) had been resurrected. someone had used a res sig on someone else other than me. After realising this, i asked why the guy ressed the leader instead of me. the guy replied 'because he's cool

'

I could have strangled him if i knew where he lived.

please remember folks; if multiple people die, and the monk's one of em: Res the monk. Not the leader, or the person you think is coolest. The monk has resurrection capabilities that don't require a morale boost, so he can resurrect everyone else including the leader/person you think rawks.

[/rant]

I did eventually manage to tackle Thirsty River, with the help of my guild leader (another monk) and a far better PUG (far more strategic, knew exactly what they were doing, were wise enough to take two monks, unlike most of the other groups who depended solely on one monk (me))

[/my £0.02]

Former Ruling

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Cedartown, Georgia

R/

23 Jul 2006 at 18:24 - 2

I feel the pain of stupid people in the game from time to time too :\

I just yesterday vented over the same idiocy in the pve tombs.

Rahl

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

Austin, Tx

Mmph Its [Good]

Mo/

23 Jul 2006 at 18:25 - 3

Yeah, I get plenty of groups like that. But a tip on TR, GET A DOM MESMER! It will be so damn easy if you do.

Chaz_Fox

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Scotland (scots ftw)

UK Furry Alliance [UKFA]

Mo/Me

23 Jul 2006 at 18:27 - 4

ah, so you've seen a similar incident where the monk is ignored in favour of the most popular member of the group. indeed, we need to get this idea into their thick skulls: The monk is vital. ^.^

Chaz_Fox

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Scotland (scots ftw)

UK Furry Alliance [UKFA]

Mo/Me

23 Jul 2006 at 18:29 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahl

But a tip on TR, GET A DOM MESMER! It will be so damn easy if you do.

again, the group that helped me get through TR had a Dom Mesmer, so like i say, not all PUGs are bad, just highly uncooperative at times.

Rahl

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

Austin, Tx

Mmph Its [Good]

Mo/

23 Jul 2006 at 18:29 - 6

Yep, the warrior like to res eachother instead of the monks.../sigh

Dunno, some sort of "warrior bonding" thing I guess ^^

Balance

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

NYC, US

red basilica [isis]

R/

23 Jul 2006 at 18:30 - 7

I see where you're coming from. nice to point all of this out but 2 monks isn't really necessary, in fact its been done perfectly fine w/o a monk..

Rent

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

Darkness Within

Mo/Me

23 Jul 2006 at 18:32 - 8

Quote:

Guild: UK Furry Alliance [UKFA]

Sorry I tried to read your post but all I could see is this and not stop laughing.

Amity and Truth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

W/N

23 Jul 2006 at 18:38 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaz_Fox

I dislike Pick Up Groups

hmmm, from reading that post i can only guess that you treat them the same way you write over them here.

Quote:

someone had used a res sig on someone else other than me.

And that even proves my point.

Quote:

the guy replied 'because he's cool

Which leads to this quote. Could it simply be that you were unloading your frustration on your team and for that same reason they did not want to res you? Mind you, Monk is NOT the most important. I don't know if this was the case but from reading your post i've got the impression that you're taking the game way too serious and were probably flaming your team. After which i would have ressed everyone, except you. As even the monk is not invaluable.

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please remember folks; if multiple people die, and the monk's one of em: Res the monk. Not the leader, or the person you think is coolest.

Actually, that's wrong. Res the person that could save the mission and not the monk just because he is a monk. He is just playing a role just like every other class as well. If the Teamleader actually led the team, it would make a whole lot more sense to ressurect him first. Who do you want more to be protected in an imaginary battle? Your commander or the medic? Once again i wasn't there.

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were wise enough to take two monks, unlike most of the other groups who depended solely on one monk (me))

Meh. A good monk and a mediocre team is all you need to complete these missions, even the game. However, i remember that there is a thread of monks that feel they're not appreciated enough. Should be called something like "Sick and tired of the Monk Abuse" and is filled with Monkplayers who share their evil fate.

And if this is not about Monks not being the total superstars but moreover about a group of people not behaving correctly, you could also use this thread:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=69723

Sorry if my words sound harsh, they're not intended to. But i'm getting sick and tired of monks that think they should be treated differently

Chaz_Fox

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Scotland (scots ftw)

UK Furry Alliance [UKFA]

Mo/Me

23 Jul 2006 at 18:38 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rent

Sorry I tried to read your post but all I could see is this and not stop laughing.

if you don't have anything on topic to post, please don't post at all. This is a post about how idiotic players are, not 'diss the poster cause his guild says 'furry''

Chaz_Fox

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Scotland (scots ftw)

UK Furry Alliance [UKFA]

Mo/Me

23 Jul 2006 at 18:44 - 11

Amity and Truth, you do have a very good point there. indeed, i was not flaming my team, the only thing i said on the matter was that if i had been resurrected instead of the leader i could quickly have resurrected the leader AND the other dead person without a fuss. I did get resurrected in the end (luckily we were fighitng sand giants so morale boosts came fast) and managed to resurrect the other people. i also get what you're saying about the Monk not being the superstar of the group, the offensive groups (warriors, eles, dom mesmers etc) are obviously the most important part pf the team, whereas the monk is merely the support who will easily pick the others up if they fall. So yes, you have indeed proved your point ^.^

Ensign

Just Plain Fluffy

Join Date: Dec 2004

Berkeley, CA

Idiot Savants

23 Jul 2006 at 18:45 - 12

The proper question when joining a pug is not 'is there an idiot in this group?', but 'how many idiots are in this group?'

Pugging is a bit of a game, enjoyable for many of the same reasons people enjoy watching cars crash. How terrible can these players really be? They will surprise you. It's frustrating as hell if you actually need the pug to clear the mission, but if you're just coming as a tourist, it's a highly amusing, albeit base, form of entertainment.

Peace,
-CxE

Count to Potato

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Imagination Land

I Swear She Was Eighteen [Gwen]

W/

23 Jul 2006 at 18:51 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ensign

The proper question when joining a pug is not 'is there an idiot in this group?', but 'how many idiots are in this group?'

Actually its more like the Spaceballs qoute how man ***holes are on this ship?

Chaz_Fox

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Scotland (scots ftw)

UK Furry Alliance [UKFA]

Mo/Me

23 Jul 2006 at 18:54 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ensign

The proper question when joining a pug is not 'is there an idiot in this group?', but 'how many idiots are in this group?'

Pugging is a bit of a game, enjoyable for many of the same reasons people enjoy watching cars crash. How terrible can these players really be? They will surprise you. It's frustrating as hell if you actually need the pug to clear the mission, but if you're just coming as a tourist, it's a highly amusing, albeit base, form of entertainment.

Peace,
-CxE

well ok, i needed the PUG to clear the mission that time round, but you know i think i might actually try pugging the mission again, just for laughs ^.^ thanks for mentioning this, i never really knew some people pugged missions for laughs but it sounds cool ^.^

Minus Sign

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Mo/N

23 Jul 2006 at 18:56 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaz_Fox

please remember folks; if multiple people die, and the monk's one of em: Res the monk. Not the leader, or the person you think is coolest. The monk has resurrection capabilities that don't require a morale boost, so he can resurrect everyone else including the leader/person you think rawks.

Not always so. There are monks that do NOT carry rez; they carry an extra heal/prot to further boost their support. i've done it myself a few time, but I tell my group that I am.

if you're down and you have a hard rez, tell your group:

Monk: I have rebirth

That usually will elicite a sig hit since you can corpse-pull the team out of the trouble spot. One other thing that strikes me about your /rant:

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After realising this, i asked why the guy ressed the leader instead of me. the guy replied 'because he's cool

'

Alienate players at your own peril. Were you pulling the "I am healzors so listen to me or die" crap that too many monks have become guilty of? My posts on the subject may make me come off as a hardcase when I monk (and yes, I do practice what I preach) the truth is that I am nothing but respectful to my teams, no matter the proffession I play. While I offer suggestions when I can and ask for a regen in bad teams as much to compose myself as much to regen my overstretched mana, i do not flame people in mission and try to be the voice of reason when these little disputes start. I wait until after the mission for that, when I do.

If the leader was cool enough to merit a rez, and you weren't, it may very well be because you were being a jerk. Post-Factions, I've seen this too. With few monks in Tyria, groups have learned to self-manage when they PuG or wait until guildies can help. Regardless, welcome to a brave new world. The one where your monk is not required, just useful to have.

Chaz_Fox

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Scotland (scots ftw)

UK Furry Alliance [UKFA]

Mo/Me

23 Jul 2006 at 19:05 - 16

nope, i wasn't saying that i rule or anything, i've realised now that i was probably silly to question why they ressed the leader rather than me, for two reasons:
1) We were fighting sand giants, which means they would be getting lots of morale boosts, which means they could res me at a later date, and
2) they were going to the cutscene area anyway, which meant i would be instantly ressed afterwards.

so i realised i was probably wrong to rant ^.^;

SaGGGan

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

what's that??!

23 Jul 2006 at 19:05 - 17

Res the person who can res the next person if more then one player is down.

In thirsty river you get so much morale boosts, that a spended res signet is no problem.

Silent Kitty

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Netherlands

[TYW] "The Young World"

A/Me

23 Jul 2006 at 19:47 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaz_Fox

please remember folks; if multiple people die, and the monk's one of em: Res the monk. Not the leader, or the person you think is coolest. The monk has resurrection capabilities that don't require a morale boost, so he can resurrect everyone else including the leader/person you think rawks.

Not all monks have a rez. Some of them are so full of themselves, that they think they don't need one. Lol, some healers even think that only breeze is needed.

Liu

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

23 Jul 2006 at 19:47 - 19

Well monks can be fairly annoying. Its not nice to spend ten minutes looking for one to find out he/she is using frenzy just to attack faster with his/her staff and was using a healing signet to heal herself. Even though she had healing skills.

I don't know either.

huMptY DumPty

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

[BAN]

W/

23 Jul 2006 at 20:18 - 20

Biggest idiots in guild wars (likely) = those who don't carry rez.

=__="

Chaz_Fox

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Scotland (scots ftw)

UK Furry Alliance [UKFA]

Mo/Me

23 Jul 2006 at 20:18 - 21

Fortunately i'm not one of those annoying monks ^.^ I always take a res, because i know someone's going to die. the only problem is the res spells take so damn long to cast i get killed mid-spell

LamerFlamer

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

The Order of The Green Flame

23 Jul 2006 at 20:24 - 22

Idiots are very common on the internet. Get used to them, but try to teach them to not be dumb, if they don't learn, leave.

On a side note, I did thirsty with a pug, 2 nukers (me as one), an ss necro, a wammo, an e/mo pseudo monk, and a ranger.

Skuld

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Thousend Tigers Apund Ur Head [Ttgr]

A/

23 Jul 2006 at 20:27 - 23

Monks take res now? My my..

Chaz_Fox

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Scotland (scots ftw)

UK Furry Alliance [UKFA]

Mo/Me

23 Jul 2006 at 20:35 - 24

the groups weren't very good, i have no trust in people who just invited me as the only healer in their team ^.^

On a side note, i lost at Dunes of despair today, but not because of some stupid people. When I went into the district, i had absolutely no idea i had unwittingly wandered into a French District (i often assume i'm going to appear in the english district, it's happened a couple of times now) So I started the mission. There was a lack of communication (i'm not an excellent french speaker *sweat*) and the only talk i did get out of them was yelling out 'HEAL' 'HEAL!!!' 'HEAL!!!!!11!'. we got to the part where we had to defend the ghost, and apparently someone was furious, as i saw some rather furious scribbling on the mini map, trying to indicate a line two of the players had to stay behind, which they promptly ignored. We got slaughtered. When i returned to the district i immediately realised my mistake and switched to the International district, where i could lounge around in peace for a while ^.^

before anyone takes offense, i'm not dissing frenchmen at all, i just couldn't quite understand what they were discussing and therefore i didn't cope too well ^.^;

Theus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

W/Mo

23 Jul 2006 at 20:44 - 25

Zen Daizun.

Noob ignorance at its best.

I can't count the number of arguments i've had with idiots over the fact that they are too retarded to read the description of Zunraa's enchantment to realize they CAN remove Miasma.

Edge Martinez

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

NC

DKL

23 Jul 2006 at 23:25 - 26

I think alot of the players going through the desert missions now are the ones who never played Prophecies before, so there is bound to be a learning curve. In time people will master all these missions like we all did after a bunch of misses the first time through. No sense in getting mad over a game if everyone gave it their all.

I did thirsty with a new prophecy player group and we got it first time through. No one listened to me about the 2 minutes thing, but we managed to kill everything anyway, sometimes twice even. I figured we'd lose at the monk boss, but surprisingly enough our team got the priest down to about 3/4 health. After that, Earthquake, Aftershock, Tsumeis Crytals killed him in like 4 seconds.

With every release there will be a learning curve, especially if they go back and buy previous chapters.

Vermilion

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

NY

23 Jul 2006 at 23:29 - 27

Wait a second...I thought Sand Giants were only in the beginning of Thirsty? If thats where you were having trouble in that group, you never had a chance anyway.

By the way...if you think you need a Pug for Dunes..I feel sorry for you. Hopefully you just like pugs and don't need to use them, because that would make you worse than me, and no one should have to suffer that fate. (Dunes is just so incredibly easy I mean)

I loved getting my monk through Cantha because it was my 3rd character and I didn't have to use henchies for every mission like my other 2 characters. Not having to direct henchies=yay. A basic Pvp boonprot build>pve.

Anyway, the two times I actually had to do TR, a prenerf Mm and assorted non-monks had no problem at all. Usually I just get it run anyway.

/rawr

Divinus Stella

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Wales

Steel Phoenix

23 Jul 2006 at 23:39 - 28

Pugs are great fun, you can keep them all alive with unyileding aura and then kill them at will claiming they ran over a landmine.
Its also fun watching what builds people have, you see some crazy stuff being using in pugs, flare on a warrior i think is the best ive seen yet.

Crimson Ashwood

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Australia

Angels of Cthulhu

N/

24 Jul 2006 at 00:03 - 29

Well, what I've found is the following;

* People don't care about contributing to groups anymore, so they pack average skills, don't fire off spells, spend extended periods of time wanding things.

* People are still new to the game, so in fairness, they're not packing decent armor, don't have their attributes set right, don't have runes, haven't done their attribute point quests.

I actually found a warrior (W/N) using a BOW for most of the duration of the second last mission in FACTIONS. Like, come on, that's one hard mission buddy, get your bow out of your ass, and start axe/sword/hammering these dudes.

This isn't ever warriors either, you can TELL when they're doing nothing.

Grr... so yeah, people are either new, being an ass on purpose or wish to leech from the group to get their Kurzick, Luxon or Imperial 15K armor... it's annoying, and the cause of many failed mission that shouldn't have been that hard.
* Monks. By far the most annoying player there is, bar none. They often think to themselves, hey, I'm the monk, I can go AFK at will, quit when I get upset, or just plain be an ass constantly. :|

Crimson Ashwood

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Australia

Angels of Cthulhu

N/

24 Jul 2006 at 00:05 - 30

double post

Crimson Ashwood

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Australia

Angels of Cthulhu

N/

24 Jul 2006 at 00:05 - 31

triple post [/shakefist]

NJudson

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

24 Jul 2006 at 00:39 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silent Kitty

Not all monks have a rez. Some of them are so full of themselves, that they think they don't need one. Lol, some healers even think that only breeze is needed.

Man, I don't even remember the last time my monk used Breeze. What I find funny is that so many monks will say that they use Breeze to offset conditions like poison, conjure phantasm...etc. So with let's say even with 14 points in healing the Breeze will give you +9 regen for 10 seconds. Since 1 pip is 2 points then thats basically 180 points of health gained after the 10 seconds are up. I guess that's all well and good, but in many areas enchantments are susceptible to removal so why not go with a good spike heal like Word of Healing instead??? For only 5e and 14 in healing you get 170 points (if health <50%) and that's not including any health boosts from points in divinity.

And as far as the one guy saying he hates monks that try to make demands and dictate how the group is to do things then I do feel your pain; however, as a monk I have done this once or twice. I suppose it could be considered rude or disrespectful in the gaming community, but let me ask you this. If you knew how to successfully play out a mission and had failed many times because of bad PUGs then wouldn't you get to the point where you'd want to start making demands? As a monk you have that leverage and ability to push the group in a certain direction. I've very rarely done this, but on a couple missions here and there I've reached that "breaking point" where I used my monk's leverage to get my way. And I suppose one might ask, "If you know the mission then why not take henchman?" Well, I only do henchies if I can't get into a PUG pretty much. Although, they can be frustrating at times I prefer PUG 99% of the time.

And lastly, the topic of the thread is named, "Idiotic players - Have you ever played alongside them?" This is like asking "Babies - Have you ever seen one poo poo itself?"

I would give my left nut if someone has actually played through Guild Wars and not played alongside an idiot. Unless of course they had expert guildies hold there hand through the whole thing.

Cottage Pie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Birmingham, England

Taking Aegis

Mo/Me

24 Jul 2006 at 00:48 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by huMptY DumPty

Biggest idiots in guild wars (likely) = those who don't carry rez.

=__="

I'm a monk and i never bring a rez. I used to, but then I realised i was that good at healing in PvE, i never used it.

Dark Suoon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

The Organization of Dawn [DAWN]

W/D

24 Jul 2006 at 00:53 - 34

y yes i have, i went farming. there was a monk boss that we kno that u gotta kill the boss for him not to heal. the person said ur not supposed to and we kept on dieing. then the person pms me and says ive been playing longer than u so go kill urself.... ROFLMAO!

Crimson Ashwood

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Australia

Angels of Cthulhu

N/

24 Jul 2006 at 01:03 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJudson

Man, I don't even remember the last time my monk used Breeze. What I find funny is that so many monks will say that they use Breeze to offset conditions like poison, conjure phantasm...etc. So with let's say even with 14 points in healing the Breeze will give you +9 regen for 10 seconds. Since 1 pip is 2 points then thats basically 180 points of health gained after the 10 seconds are up. I guess that's all well and good, but in many areas enchantments are susceptible to removal so why not go with a good spike heal like Word of Healing instead??? For only 5e and 14 in healing you get 170 points (if health <50%) and that's not including any health boosts from points in divinity.

Healing Breeze has it's place (I'm talking PvE here though). A good spike heal is no help to a ally under degen who's close to max health, apply breeze means you can focus on the other allies while the hex is present. I've not come across many instances of the enchantment being removed/shattered.

Then again, I'm talking PvE, I'm sure it's a different story in PvP where enchantment warey people are present.

led-zep

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

24 Jul 2006 at 02:16 - 36

thirsty is soloable anyway, i used to do it for guildmembers as for one i like the mission and secondly they think its cool to watch it being solo'd

Ulivious The Reaper

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

The Shadowed Assassins

W/Mo

24 Jul 2006 at 02:20 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by huMptY DumPty

Biggest idiots in guild wars (likely) = those who don't carry rez.

=__="

the sad thing is i didn't know about rez signet on my warrior until i was level 20

Opeth11

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Richmond, British Columbia, Kanada

Demon of the Fall [Opet]

Mo/Me

24 Jul 2006 at 02:46 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ulivious The Reaper

the sad thing is i didn't know about rez signet on my warrior until i was level 20

Just like me and my monk o.o

And I still don't carry a rez of any sort on my monk, I trust my friends ^_^

lg5000

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Australia

24 Jul 2006 at 02:53 - 39

Healing breeze is an enchant.. don't use it to combat conjure phantasm, the chances of a 'shatter hex' being used just after you cast healing breeze is rather large in pve.

As for monks carrying res, I've been with monks who do and monks who don't. My monk carries rebirth incase we really mess up.

Factions is best played at speeds where an 8th monk skill instead of a res is a lot more useful, so I'm more than happy to have a monk without res and will generally ask if anyone has a re-usable res before using a sig. Prophecies isn't as fast-paced, so using rebirth is excusable, so's the ele calling energy and asking the team to stop while they regain their 80 energy.

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

24 Jul 2006 at 03:44 - 40

Here's a tip about playing a Monk & using Henchies:

Ramp up you're smiting prayers skills & attributes and hire Alesia to do the healing! I did most of the Tyrian missions with my monk that way, including Thirsty river.