Sundering

Stedoc

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

Me/R

what does it mean and what does it do for my sword?

Olfin Bedwere

Olfin Bedwere

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Stillwater, Oklahoma

W/Mo

guildwiki is your friend.

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Weapon_upgrade

Jetdoc

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

In short, absolutely nothing. Vampiric is your true friend.

zelira

Elite Guru

Join Date: Jan 2006

Me/

Armor penetration. 20% chance of 20% armor penetration.

Description: Sounds really good
Reality: It's sucks.

Vamp or Zealous.

Leighwyn

Leighwyn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Seattle

Limbo

Mo/E

Sundering gets better as your attack damage gets higher. Some use the mod as a swap when they are about to use a high-damage spike skill, since the extra 3-5 damage from vamp would be a drop in the water but a 1-in-5 chance at an extra 20-30 damage would potentially mean quite a bit.

blaise

blaise

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

Holland

FeS

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by zelira
Armor penetration. 20% chance of 20% armor penetration.

Description: Sounds really good
Reality: It's sucks.

Vamp or Zealous.
Hah! Agreed. Vamp FTW

SparhawkJC

SparhawkJC

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Amazon Basin

R/Me

Originally Posted by Fender
posted this in another thread, but it is probably worth repeating here, with a little more information.

Against an AL 60 target w/ perfect vamp your damage increases over base by:
sword 8.8%
axe 8.4%
hammer 9.7%
bow 12.4%

Against an AL 60 target w/ perfect 20/20 sundering your damage increases over base by 4.6% for all weapons. Much better than the 1.1% a 10/10 sundering mod would get, but still well below vamp.

vamp vs AL 70
sword 10.4%
axe 10.0%
hammer 11.6%
bow 14.7%

sundering 20/20 vs AL 70 compared to base all weapons 6.4% (10/10 = 1.3%)

vamp vs AL 100
sword 17.6%
axe 16.9%
hammer 19.4%
bow 24.8%

sundering 20/20 vs AL 100 compared to base all weapons 8.3% (10/10 = 1.9%)

So, sundering still sucks, just not as much.

Vahn Roi

Vahn Roi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2006

[HiDE]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leighwyn
Sundering gets better as your attack damage gets higher. Some use the mod as a swap when they are about to use a high-damage spike skill, since the extra 3-5 damage from vamp would be a drop in the water but a 1-in-5 chance at an extra 20-30 damage would potentially mean quite a bit.
Wouldn't it be more like 10-15 damage? How much damage do your spikes do without the sundering bonus?

Caelus The Fallen

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Glasgow

Voice of the Darkness

E/Mo

Use in a spike? How? Just what are you spiking with?
+dmg from attack skills is armour ignoring (calculated after armour) so Sundering isn't helping you except on the part of the damage that comes directly from the weapon (ie. its helping you no more than it would on a normal blow). Vampiric is far far far far far better (i cannot emphasize this enough).

The Muffen Man

The Muffen Man

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

Druery Lane

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Caelus The Fallen
Use in a spike? How? Just what are you spiking with?
+dmg from attack skills is armour ignoring (calculated after armour) so Sundering isn't helping you except on the part of the damage that comes directly from the weapon (ie. its helping you no more than it would on a normal blow). Vampiric is far far far far far better (i cannot emphasize this enough).
Have you ever used sundering on a hammer muhahahahaaaaaa

iressitable max on 60al 122 with sundering max 153 with vamp max 127

Caelus The Fallen

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Glasgow

Voice of the Darkness

E/Mo

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Damage

Read it, learn it, live it.
Sundering decreases your enemies AL, and so multiplies your damage, however +dmg from skills comes in *after* this step and as such is not multiplied by the armour step. Sundering will not make an attack skill increase in damage more than it would make an ordinary attack.

The particular salient point is:
ED = [([RD × DScale× AE ] + DShift) × DMult] + DNeg

your sundering will increase the value of AE, and thus your damage is multiplied up, however AE does not multiply DShift (which includes the +xx damage from attack skills).

milias

milias

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Defected back to America

Me/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Muffen Man
Have you ever used sundering on a hammer muhahahahaaaaaa

iressitable max on 60al 122 with sundering max 153 with vamp max 127
The main disadvantage of sundering is that it's unpredictable. You never know when it's going to kick in. So it's you're spiking, you can't really depend on chance to make your spike work. Vamp on the other hand, gives a constant +5 damage, which can be depended upon.