Survivor and Hero Titles
The milk shake
Personally i found that due to the excessive amounts of power leveling for survivor titles or fame farming for the hero titles, the original *prestige* in these titles have fallen, anyone else agree in some way.
Grasping Darkness
whatever title someone has theyve put the time into getting that title and thats cool but whats prestige in gw worth anyways? a very large part of gw players are very mean people with no respect for others so i say that titles are for self enjoyment. imo prestige in gw comes from a green font saying youve just won the hall of hero's...well that one example
Slainster
I agree, for me attaining titles is about self satisfaction, rather than ability to show off my new title. The only one probably worth its weight in gold at the moment is the "Grandmaster Explorer" title, as it HAS to be earned by the individual. This is the one I show on one of my characters.
I am currently working on 3 titles on my newish mesmer: Survivor, Protector of Tyria, and Explorer. What I am doing is screen shotting my progress through the game, kind of like making a diary, which I may post up one day. So far Im lvl 15 with all missions\quests to Lions completed successfully (got to Lions last night
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Having the titles as motivation, is definitely making me play better, Im thinking ahead every step of the way. I think the way the game has gone since titles were introduced, has caused some titles to lose prestige.. but unfortunately, that’s just the nature of the game.
I am currently working on 3 titles on my newish mesmer: Survivor, Protector of Tyria, and Explorer. What I am doing is screen shotting my progress through the game, kind of like making a diary, which I may post up one day. So far Im lvl 15 with all missions\quests to Lions completed successfully (got to Lions last night
) Having the titles as motivation, is definitely making me play better, Im thinking ahead every step of the way. I think the way the game has gone since titles were introduced, has caused some titles to lose prestige.. but unfortunately, that’s just the nature of the game.
lg5000
No, I still admire those who have a tier 3 survivor title, or have a place more than 80% explored or have all 180 elites currently available. Come to think of it, any maxed out title is worthy of admiration as most of us don't bother with them.
Even if the title is completly farmed, that still showes that the person had the money/friends to do that, and for them, it's still an achievement.
But.. you're entitled to your opinion, the same as I'm entitled to mine and if I choose to display a title for my characters, I do so because I choose so not because someone else has a good or bad opinion about the title in question.
Even if the title is completly farmed, that still showes that the person had the money/friends to do that, and for them, it's still an achievement.
But.. you're entitled to your opinion, the same as I'm entitled to mine and if I choose to display a title for my characters, I do so because I choose so not because someone else has a good or bad opinion about the title in question.
-Loki-
The hero title (or Rank as it used to be known) has always been garbage.
Edge Martinez
Yeah shake, I agree with your statement. I was one of the peeps who shunned the Survivor title, having been hosed a few times by survivor aspirants leaving mid-mission. Now I find myself level 17 and without any deaths completely by mistake. Even after I realised it, I made a promise to myself to not change the way I play in PvE, which is frontline, all out, swinging a hammer. Now I'm closer, and all too aware of it. In a way I'm dieing to just go out in a blaze of glory on some mission and let it end, because I know if I get it now I can never wear it with the way it's been represented. So if I get it, yee haw... one step further to a big deal, but until then I'm still going to be leading the charges and picking on the biggest, baddest mob out there.
EDIT: And it means even less to me because 14 of those levels I got from the Factions side of things, which is like a fast track to level 20, with max armor LONG before a Prophecies toon would have access to it.
EDIT: And it means even less to me because 14 of those levels I got from the Factions side of things, which is like a fast track to level 20, with max armor LONG before a Prophecies toon would have access to it.
Cacheelma
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Originally Posted by The milk shake
the original *prestige* in these titles have fallen, anyone else agree in some way.
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In my opinion, survivor title was supposed to be like Hardcore mode in D2. You play the game carefully, such and such. So you get survivor title for playing the game a lot for quite some time to gain enough exp for this title. But in GW ppl do EVERYTHING to get this title, from power-leveling to skill-capping to quest/mission-running.
Now, I'm not saying that any of those methods are illegal or anything. Skill capping is hard, yes, but you're not doing it because you want the skills, you're doing it for THE TITLE. You know it, I know it. And that, in my opinion, makes survivor title meaningless.
JimDaala
I have the survivor title on my Ranger, Without XP farming and mission running.. Just the help of my Guild m8. So im litlle bit proud of it 
But it is a Factions character so i was level 17 when i left the isle...
Now i would like to get it on my Prophecies Monk i just started. that would be a challenge I think.
But i only want those title's for self satisfaction, not to show off
But it is a Factions character so i was level 17 when i left the isle...
Now i would like to get it on my Prophecies Monk i just started. that would be a challenge I think.
But i only want those title's for self satisfaction, not to show off
Gli
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Originally Posted by Cacheelma
Skill capping is hard, yes, but you're not doing it because you want the skills, you're doing it for THE TITLE. You know it, I know it. And that, in my opinion, makes survivor title meaningless.
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What else are we supposed to do to get that title? Pop monsters for 20-something experience per kill until we get there? Wouldn't that also make the title meaningless, I mean, if you're only killing the monsters for the title? Doing quests/missions. Bzzzzt! Wrong, only doing it for the title. Meaningless!
Cacheelma
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Originally Posted by Gli
So playing the game in a smart way is somehow wrong in your eyes?
What else are we supposed to do to get that title? Pop monsters for 20-something experience per kill until we get there? Wouldn't that also make the title meaningless, I mean, if you're only killing the monsters for the title? Doing quests/missions. Bzzzzt! Wrong, only doing it for the title. Meaningless! |
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Originally Posted by Cacheelma
In my opinion, survivor title was supposed to be like Hardcore mode in D2. You play the game carefully, such and such. So you get survivor title for playing the game a lot for quite some time to gain enough exp for this title.
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Gli
I read all that. I just think it's silly to arbitrarily dismiss one perfectly valid way of earning experience. Heck, it's not even as if capping skills is the easiest business. If anything could kill you in Factions, it's some of the Elementalists bosses. Having capped all 180 skills on one character, let me tell you, it's definitely not the safest way to get your experience, and a bit more interesting than most.
Navaros
Fame farming for rank titles takes an incredible amount of fortitude and persistance; as much so - if not more - as for any other title. Therefore no, they haven't lost any prestige.
Rent
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Originally Posted by Cacheelma
Now, I'm not saying that any of those methods are illegal or anything. Skill capping is hard, yes, but you're not doing it because you want the skills, you're doing it for THE TITLE. You know it, I know it. And that, in my opinion, makes survivor title meaningless.
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bete
Survivor title...ugg. Don't you just love getting one of these folks in your party.
Afraid to commit to a fight and make a contibution to the party.
Generaly a waste of a player slot.
Afraid to commit to a fight and make a contibution to the party.
Generaly a waste of a player slot.
inscribed
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Originally Posted by Rent
Uh. I skill cap because, you know, I want the skills.
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eudas
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Originally Posted by inscribed
Yeah, a warrior is going to cap Ether Renewal because he wants the skill... it has nothing to do with the title.
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(As an aside, if you're curious, I've collected over 400 of the 784 skills. I have approximately 380 left (just under that, but I don't have the spreadsheet with me at the moment). If you care, you can monitor my progress here: http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/User:Eudas.)
Capping and purchasing skills is like collecting Magic cards. It makes your deck (characters/builds) more versatile. You can switch faster without having to go make skill purchases.
So yes, people do cap things because they want them, not just because it's an efficient way to gain xp for a title. (Though it is nice that skill capping feeds itself.)
I'm not sure that you'll believe me, but there were people who had 100% Tyrian Exploration long before the title was invented, too.
eudas
Rent
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Originally Posted by inscribed
Yeah, a warrior is going to cap Ether Renewal because he wants the skill... it has nothing to do with the title.
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Gli
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Originally Posted by bete
Survivor title...ugg. Don't you just love getting one of these folks in your party.
Afraid to commit to a fight and make a contibution to the party. Generaly a waste of a player slot. |
lg5000
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Originally Posted by inscribed
Yeah, a warrior is going to cap Ether Renewal because he wants the skill... it has nothing to do with the title.
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Also, my aim is to have characters who at least have all primary profession skills on them, that includes my survivor attempt, has very little to do with the extra xp.
Btw, as a caster aiming for tier 2 of survivor, the only thing I can think of where I'm not 'helping' my team is when I"m kiting. You know, that wonderful skill you pick up in pvp where you get flamed for NOT kiting?
WeiPing
I have no respect at all for survivor titled people. None.
If you don't die a few times, I don't think you could possibly be having much fun.
If you don't die a few times, I don't think you could possibly be having much fun.
eudas
I dunno, in diablo2, hardcore mode was definitely more fulfilling than playing softcore mode.
eudas
eudas
Bartuc Galadwor
I would have liked to see this title just be consecutive experience and if you die, you start over. It would release it to people who already had made a character and it would also lessen the amout of people who don't help the party because they want the title, because you get more than once chance.
Silent Kitty
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Originally Posted by eudas
I dunno, in diablo2, hardcore mode was definitely more fulfilling than playing softcore mode.
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Shadowfox1125
The first level of Survivor is a cinch to get; the next two aren't. Recently I got the title on my warrior, but I think the first lvl is good enough; I'm not wasting my time getting to more than half a million of experience. 1st level is good enough for me. I'll respect those who have already reached maxed out the title--they can die all they want to now.
Axl the Red
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Originally Posted by inscribed
Yeah, a warrior is going to cap Ether Renewal because he wants the skill... it has nothing to do with the title.
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Cacheelma
Could all of you who argue about capping all skills re-read my post please?
I was talking about capping all elites in order TO GAIN SURVIVOR TITLE. I.E. You do it and at the same time avoid dying with any means possible.
There's nothing wrong with capping all elites. I did that myself, although I died several times in Pre-Searing in April last year.
Clear enough? Now please get back on topic.
I was talking about capping all elites in order TO GAIN SURVIVOR TITLE. I.E. You do it and at the same time avoid dying with any means possible.
There's nothing wrong with capping all elites. I did that myself, although I died several times in Pre-Searing in April last year.
Clear enough? Now please get back on topic.
Anraeth
people dont farm fame for hero titles...... its all in the emote
lishi
i still have to see someone who pay to farm 4665 fame ...
and even if someone do it .. well for the time he reach rank 9 he gonna have enough ha experience ...
and even if someone do it .. well for the time he reach rank 9 he gonna have enough ha experience ...
arkadiusz
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Originally Posted by Cacheelma
Could all of you who argue about capping all skills re-read my post please?
I was talking about capping all elites in order TO GAIN SURVIVOR TITLE. I.E. You do it and at the same time avoid dying with any means possible. There's nothing wrong with capping all elites. I did that myself, although I died several times in Pre-Searing in April last year. |
there is not enough quest and mission experience in prophecies and factions to fuel the title. the only way to get the title before nightfall is to either: farm some mobs; do repeatable quests, er, repeatedly; or capture elite skills.
capturing elite skills is the only way that does not involve doing the same thing over and over again, and has the added benefit of unlocking those skills.
what you're saying is basically that the titles are worthless if you are playing with the aim of getting those titles.
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Originally Posted by WeiPing
I have no respect at all for survivor titled people. None.
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Riotact
I have treasure Hunter title and like most took a while to get, hero titles etc even if u farm fame u cant b a complete noob.
The ones i really hate were the AFK dragon festival ones. what crap titles that degrade the whole title concept. "I got lots of gold so if i AFK here for 3 days i can get a title". Now that truly sux.
Titles should mean u r good at something or achieved something.
The ones i really hate were the AFK dragon festival ones. what crap titles that degrade the whole title concept. "I got lots of gold so if i AFK here for 3 days i can get a title". Now that truly sux.
Titles should mean u r good at something or achieved something.
King's Spectre
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Originally Posted by Gli
Funny, when I was going for the higher survivor tiers, I felt the exact opposite. I wouldn't dream of taking other players along on my adventures. Why waste a party slot on a flaky player if you can use it for another perfectly reliable henchie?
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To stay sane, I've got to mix it up. Chase down some skill caps, do a repeatable quest somewhere, go solo hunt some critters.
With a ranger, I don't feel too bad joining pugs. I choose a beastmaster so I could stay in the back-lines and still contribute a tank and nice damage.
Talon one
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Originally Posted by WeiPing
I have no respect at all for survivor titled people. None.
If you don't die a few times, I don't think you could possibly be having much fun. |
i can die all i want on my other characters, but i like the option to make one of them a legendary survivor, just to prove to myself that i dont die if i dont want to.
my current survivor has done all quests and missions up to ice caves of sorrow in tyria and unwaking waters on both sides in cantha and i'm at 920k exp (290k from elite capping). i'm not going to play elite missions or fissure/uw and i'm not going to pvp. that leaves repeatable quests, farming, leeching, elite skill capping or repeatably killing everything on easy maps with exp scrolls.
i know some people would only respect my title if i got the title in the hardest way possible over a period of 500 hours playtime minimum. but for me, quests and capping is good enough
WeiPing
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Originally Posted by Talon one
if you take your survivor out to cap a dangerous elite skill...
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A game without risks is boooooring.
Ghull Ka
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Originally Posted by Talon one
i dont know, the fun builds up. if you take your survivor out to cap a dangerous elite skill, after weeks of careful questing and close calls, fully aware that a single mistake, a momement or carelessness will kill you and destroy 100+ hours of work, and if you make it to your goal and get that 5k exp, i call it fun. if you dont think its fun, dont go for the survivor titles
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I haven't gotten to where I can capture Ride the Lightning, Second Wind, or Unsteady Ground yet. When I get there, all I have to say to those ele bosses is: bring it on.
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Originally Posted by WeiPing
I have no respect at all for survivor titled people. None.
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I'm going for lvl 3 survivor and lvl 3 skill hunter. 830k XP without a death and 83 elites so far. I think it's sweet that the two titles work so well together. I'm also working on my protector titles; I'm at Abbadon's Mouth in Tyria and Sunjiang District in Cantha. Although I don't care about explorer title (because fog farming is boring), I pick up what I can where I can, and I'm closing in on 60% on both continents.
I had fun in the FoW the other day playing an offensive trapper. Nice XP there. I went out with the same offensive trapper build capturing Flesh Golem this morning. I got my traps in and stepped back just before that ritualist threw his double damage Ancestor's Rage. Other people died, but I didn't, and I was right there in front of everything, in a PUG, with one monk, laying traps. Lots of fun.
I'm not saying this for your benefit or out of self defense -- again, I don't need or want your respect. I have nothing to prove to anyone, except myself. If you don't want me in your party, well buddy, you can be assured that I wouldn't want to be in yours either. <insert henchie name here> will most likely be a better companion than you would anyway.
To the people out there earning survivor titles by being powerleveled. Meh, if that's how you like doing it, that's fine. Enjoy your "watching TV" title. Sure, you're giving the title in general a bad name, but I don't care if it has a bad name. I'm not doing this for anyone else out there, I'm doing it for me. People are free to think whatever they want about the title.
I'm a survivor because I enjoy it. If I die before I earn level 3, I'll delete her and recreate her. To other survivors out there, who are playing through the game, facing challenges and surviving them: Good luck. Stay alive.
Horseman Of War
i would be very impressed with an assassin who is a Survivor.
Titles are nice- its like that screen in GTA that shows you what youve been up to- my personal favorite is the Unlucky titles- THOSE are hardcore titles LOL... mine cost 15k
Titles are nice- its like that screen in GTA that shows you what youve been up to- my personal favorite is the Unlucky titles- THOSE are hardcore titles LOL... mine cost 15k
Talon one
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Originally Posted by WeiPing
You're going to be a LOT less inclined to take risks if you're trying to survive at all costs.
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i might as well say that a game where i'm not afraid to die is boring.
for me, these titles are just bragging rights. its not like i expect them to make it easier to find pugs. i dont even want to be in most pugs
but when i do join pugs, its for the fun of it. when i really want something done, i go with friends or henchies and maybe invite a pug or two. when i invite pugs, i usualy try to get someone with a title. any title. because no matter how they got it, it shows a certain expertise / patience / resourcefulness / dedication to the game or character they play.
WeiPing
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Originally Posted by Talon one
when i invite pugs, i usualy try to get someone with a title. any title. because no matter how they got it, it shows a certain expertise / patience / resourcefulness / dedication to the game or character they play.
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The worst Survivor is the ones who will rezone on a Drok run just to avoid getting killed. God, I hate those people. They're ranked right down there with people who scribble on the minimap while I'm running and those who leave Beacon's before I'm ready, when _I'm_ the one making the run.
pigdestroyer
why theres always heroes ascent rank bashing?
jealousy
jealousy
Helll is for Heroes
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Originally Posted by Anraeth
people dont farm fame for hero titles...... its all in the emote
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rank4 sounds the bset to me.
Or rank7.
Teklord
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why theres always heroes ascent rank bashing?
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I'm sorry. I just about fell out of my chair laughing at this. I hardly ever even play PvP, although I do believe it to be a lot of fun when involved with people there for the *fun* of it. None the less I have no respect at all for Fame/Rank farmers, not that there is any way to prove exactly how someone got to where they are today.
My disdain for Rank type players came the day I saw someone advertising for a PvE mission saying "Rank 3+ only!". I challenged him on it, and this person made the claim that if you didn't have Rank then you must not be any good at this game (thus by showing the intelligence level of that particular player). That exact moment in time is where I lost all respect for Rank. Yes I'm sure there is a nice and very small number of players that actually *earned* the Rank they have, and good on them. They know who they are.
Jealousy... LoL a little more.
Addition: At least with titles akin to Protector of <insert place here> you can't "farm" for it. You have to actually accomplish a goal by being a team player.