I just thought I'd put this out there as I've read a few posts in the past stating that grinding is to faction farming.
I am thinking a number of players are of the perception that gaining faction on a regular basis is or can be seen as grinding.
Reasons I think it isn't-
In most cases the need to earn faction is to sustain a current rank/possession of town and usually means the guild doing this has a large player base. Gaining faction has the benifets of keeping the players active, engaged in social gameplay and learning each others strengths/weaknesses.
There are no requirements beyond having the area's mapped that a player needs in order to farm the faction.
In most cases gold and items are gained as well as faction.
Guild PvP while some would say is grinding is different every time and can be fun / totally suck / rewarding from learning something.
What does everyone else think ? Having played games that required grinding I'm just wondering why players would think gaining faction is a grind and view it negatively.
Please add your thoughts.
Why Faction farming is not a grind
Aisius
Sekkira
Grind is doing a repetetive task in order to accomplish something. Faction farming is repetetive and is a task that must be done in order to obtain whatever goal is set by doing it in the first place. Therefore, it is grind.
Kaguya
Well, I don't concider faction farming a grind. Grind is, for me atleast, something I don't enjoy. It's work.
"Farming" faction thenagain, can be done via AvA/Aspenwood, which is fun. It's not really repetitive since the opponents change, teammates change, strategies are different, usually the build used evolves and gets better and better.
And Sekkira, isn't your avatar Hong Meirin? Or is it just something you found in the internets
Haven't seen many other touhou fans around myself atleast. Except someone named Reimu Hakurei at Droknar's farming trolls. :1
"Farming" faction thenagain, can be done via AvA/Aspenwood, which is fun. It's not really repetitive since the opponents change, teammates change, strategies are different, usually the build used evolves and gets better and better.
And Sekkira, isn't your avatar Hong Meirin? Or is it just something you found in the internets
Rhedd
It is, however, completely self-inflicted grind. There are absolutely no real advantages to be gained by doing it.
Frankly, I think it is grind, but as long as grind isn't REQUIRED to make a character as good as any other, who cares?
Alliance battles don't count as grind, of course. That's the GAME. Doing the missions over and over are the only thing that's grind.
Faction grinding is doubly amusing to watch, because the more people grind for it, the more they have to.
Frankly, I think it is grind, but as long as grind isn't REQUIRED to make a character as good as any other, who cares?
Alliance battles don't count as grind, of course. That's the GAME. Doing the missions over and over are the only thing that's grind.
Faction grinding is doubly amusing to watch, because the more people grind for it, the more they have to.
Sekkira
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And Sekkira, isn't your avatar Hong Meirin? Or is it just something you found in the internets
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To add to my statement that Faction Farming is grind, I never stated that it was a bad thing either.
Kattox1
I see it as grind, but grind that is completely optional. Faction farming for Luxon or Kurzick faction is a waste, (25% off at merchants and the ability to make firework displays... pah,) unless you in a huge alliance so you actually own a capital city.
Balthazar faction farming is necessary only up to a point in which you NEED to have a new skill to remain competetive... which hasn't come up much in my case.
Basically its grind but grind that is completely optional.
Balthazar faction farming is necessary only up to a point in which you NEED to have a new skill to remain competetive... which hasn't come up much in my case.
Basically its grind but grind that is completely optional.
markus_thom
The main point people stress is the faction system is not deep enough and harldy effects the game.
You move a line up and down a map.
You move a line up and down a map.
Navaros
Faction farming is indeed a grind.
Then again, so is 100% of the rest of the end-game content. Ultimately it's all just doing the same thing over and over again. Yes I'm including PVP with that too - a few minor changes here and there depending on the build you have and what you're facing, sure - but for the most part you are still playing in a set pattern based on your skill and knowledge of the game that you've already played in the same way 10 million times before.
In conclusion: "No Grind" is an illusion.
Then again, so is 100% of the rest of the end-game content. Ultimately it's all just doing the same thing over and over again. Yes I'm including PVP with that too - a few minor changes here and there depending on the build you have and what you're facing, sure - but for the most part you are still playing in a set pattern based on your skill and knowledge of the game that you've already played in the same way 10 million times before.
In conclusion: "No Grind" is an illusion.
Celios
Does an alliance get an outpost by being better than their peers or just by playing more AB? I'm pretty sure everyone here can agree on the obvious answer, and thus understand why faction farming is indeed considered grind.
It's kind of interesting that you drew a parallel to GvG there - I'm inclined to agree. During active season there are a hell of a lot of mediocre teams sitting in top 100 due to the very simple fact that they play far more than their flat-out better peers. While it takes some real skill to hit top 15 or 20, anything above that is, sadly, often a case of attrition as opposed to talent.
It's kind of interesting that you drew a parallel to GvG there - I'm inclined to agree. During active season there are a hell of a lot of mediocre teams sitting in top 100 due to the very simple fact that they play far more than their flat-out better peers. While it takes some real skill to hit top 15 or 20, anything above that is, sadly, often a case of attrition as opposed to talent.
Hephaestus Ram
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Originally Posted by Navaros
Faction farming is indeed a grind.
Then again, so is 100% of the rest of the end-game content. Ultimately it's all just doing the same thing over and over again. Yes I'm including PVP with that too - a few minor changes here and there depending on the build you have and what you're facing, sure - but for the most part you are still playing in a set pattern based on your skill and knowledge of the game that you've already played in the same way 10 million times before. In conclusion: "No Grind" is an illusion. |
play and for entertainment. If you think playing it at all is a burden, then you're
probably not enjoying it, and should stop playing.
I've played some games and seen the level I'd have to get to be competitive and
gone *groan*. That to me is grind. In GW I need to be lvl 20 and pick up a few
collectors items along the way and I'm as good as anybody... I can do that.
That being said Faction Farming is the closest thing in GW to " real " grind. What
happens if your in a guild that owns a town, you contribute you xxx amount of
faction a week. After a couple of months you go to log on and say to yourself
" God! I'm sick of having to spend an hour of my hour and a half of free time
churning out faction, I just wanna play the game ". So you go play for a while
and log off. Next time you log on you get a message from your guild leader
saying you haven't been contributing you quota .... shape up or I'm gonna have
to boot you pal. Now you're in a situation where you've invested so much time
and effort on the guilds behalf, but if you don't keep putting out, you get the
boot and lose all your investment. That's pretty close to " grind "
Rhedd
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Originally Posted by Navaros
Faction farming is indeed a grind.
Then again, so is 100% of the rest of the end-game content. Ultimately it's all just doing the same thing over and over again. Yes I'm including PVP with that too - a few minor changes here and there depending on the build you have and what you're facing, sure - but for the most part you are still playing in a set pattern based on your skill and knowledge of the game that you've already played in the same way 10 million times before. In conclusion: "No Grind" is an illusion. |
Oh, and football. It's kind of lame that the field is always the same size. I think it might be more fun with a random number of balls, or something.
Don't even get me started on tennis.
Grind, grind, grind...
NinjaKai
The guild i'm in isn't obsessed with factions. If I want factions I do alliance battles for factions. Its fun if you regulate your playing and group styles.
blood4blood
I was in a guild with a 5k faction/day minimum for members, 10k/day for officers. Most of them are students, out of school for the summer, and can play for hours & hours every day. I work full time, so the limited time I have to play, I don't want to spend it doing nothing but repetitive quests and AB's. That's nothing but grind, IMHO.
eternal pho
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I was in a guild with a 5k faction/day minimum for members, 10k/day for officers. Most of them are students, out of school for the summer, and can play for hours & hours every day. I work full time, so the limited time I have to play, I don't want to spend it doing nothing but repetitive quests and AB's. That's nothing but grind, IMHO.
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Actually it only takes 15-20 mins tops to gain 5k faction farming.
Andy_M
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Actually it only takes 15-20 mins tops to gain 5k faction farming.
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As long as it's not running that bloody Kurzick supply mission...
AceeBlueEagle
It's a grind if your frame of reference is doing it to simply gain faction over and over and over...
If you are doing things such as AB because you enjoy them, then no grind.
Alliances/Guild that REQUIRE active FF and impose quotas = GRIND GRIND GRIND (and me running in other direction)
If you are doing things such as AB because you enjoy them, then no grind.
Alliances/Guild that REQUIRE active FF and impose quotas = GRIND GRIND GRIND (and me running in other direction)
VitisVinifera
I was in KEYS while we/they were holding Cavalon for it's entirety. In order to hold Cavalon for as long as we did, it was indeed quite a grind. As in it wasn't fun, but it was something we felt was our calling, for the time at least, to keep The Deep free for everyone.
As luck would have it, we/they got a pretty good run and were eventually overtaken. At that point, KEYS put in a requirement: every member must put in 5k faction per day, with screenshot to back it up.
Tell me that isn't a grind. I left the day I saw that announcement, back to the guild I was in (and am in again) but left for the cause. This is certainly no slam against KEYS -- I admire their commitment and drive. Just for a working stiff like me, that would be impossible.
I think I've demonstrated quite clearly that Faction farming can be, and for me was, a grind.
As luck would have it, we/they got a pretty good run and were eventually overtaken. At that point, KEYS put in a requirement: every member must put in 5k faction per day, with screenshot to back it up.
Tell me that isn't a grind. I left the day I saw that announcement, back to the guild I was in (and am in again) but left for the cause. This is certainly no slam against KEYS -- I admire their commitment and drive. Just for a working stiff like me, that would be impossible.
I think I've demonstrated quite clearly that Faction farming can be, and for me was, a grind.
MMSDome
You may consider it a grind but when me and my fellow alliance members officers and leaders farm for faction its a lot of fun because we converse alot learn about eachother and other useless crap and get to chest farm at the same time. I also got to cretique a Mantis farming build along the way of being doorman 
In my opinion its a grind if you are doing it because you feel compelled to and you are not having fun. It is not a grind if you are enjoying it and dont feel any pressure to complete the task.
In my opinion its a grind if you are doing it because you feel compelled to and you are not having fun. It is not a grind if you are enjoying it and dont feel any pressure to complete the task.
VitisVinifera
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In my opinion its a grind if you are doing it because you feel compelled to and you are not having fun. It is not a grind if you are enjoying it and dont feel any pressure to complete the task.
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But if you want to shoot for Cavalon/HzH, which is what the game originally wanted us to do, then it's a grind. The fact that the pure programming of the game was meant to force alliances to faction grind to control the elite missions is truly a flawed logic and disservice to players (this is a near-unanimous opinion echoed in several very long threads).
Alliance battles for the fun of it: yes.
Faction grind to control PvE aspects of the game: no.
Hephaestus Ram
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You may consider it a grind but when me and my fellow alliance members officers and leaders farm for faction its a lot of fun because we converse alot learn about eachother and other useless crap and get to chest farm at the same time. I also got to cretique a Mantis farming build along the way of being doorman
In my opinion its a grind if you are doing it because you feel compelled to and you are not having fun. It is not a grind if you are enjoying it and dont feel any pressure to complete the task. |
applied to any " grind " situation. The OP made the same argument,
if you're having fun, getting drops, etc, then it's not grind...just fun.
The point is when you're compelled to continue to do it after it's no
longer fun, it's grind.
When you capture a town and say "woot" we got it, keep it for a while
and then go back to playing the game... that's fun. When you capture
it and demand that your guild members continue to contribute to your
compultion to hold on to it, it's grind.
I know what you're saying, I've been to Deldrimor War Camp where
groups have been forming endless 5 man oro runs for the last six
months or so. For some people grind IS fun, they get little or nothing
out of it, but it's so easy and mindless that they can't resist it.... But,
it's still grind.
gamecube187
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Actually it only takes 15-20 mins tops to gain 5k faction farming.
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That sure beats my way! Can you tell me what it is that you do? Hmmm then again, is it as fun as fort aspenwood? And can you do whatever it is for both the kurzick and the luxon?