Quick Shot is Underrated

Mera Regila

Mera Regila

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

In The Deep

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I've played as a ranger for a very long time, trying out builds from Guildwiki's untested section. Once I got to the ring of fire island chain, i found a cap group that was capping the entire island, and I went with them.

I had already captured Crippling Shot. So I waited for another cap to surface. When finally I found a ranger boss named Maxime Coldstone. Her cap seemed bad, but i capped it anyway, then put it on a PvP ranger to do Random Arenas with.

I found myself attacking faster than swords, axes, and pretty much anything else. With one attack that hit faster than normal every single second, I had a very large dps when combined with my Vampiric PvP Hornbow of Fortitude.

Our team was unstoppable until finally we hit a very experianced and balanced Team Arenas team, their mesmer was using Diversion on my Quick Shot, all I had was my other bow attack, Marauder's Shot. Eventually they whittled us down.

Whenever I mention this build I get "QS is a joke" or "QS SUCKS NOOB"<--- The typical noob response.

I OWNED every one of my friends in scrimmages with this build. They all succeeded with the build I told them about too. Quick Shot is not at all a bad elite. With a Vamp Hornbow max damage you have the highest sustainable DPS a ranger has.

Rikimaru

Rikimaru

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

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You can use it with Kindle Arrows + Conjure Flame also.

Munanko Roha

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

KoH

W/E

Or with Read the Wind and Favourable Winds, a bit less damage but your arrows are never gonna miss and are pressuring so well!

Dyon Adell

Dyon Adell

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

Tyria

Gamer Edge(TRE)

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I know, I feel the same way as you. I considered various possibilities before; RtW + FW, using Quick Shot gives you an arrow that flies 8 times faster constantly, and does +16 damage. All you need is to spam QS and you'll definately irritate your victim. Another pressurizing tactic would be to probably use Apply Poison and spam all targets with poison, or keep aiming someone with QS so the poison is always there. Maybe I should switch from my spike build to a QS build at least during pve for try outs.

Quick Shot is definately a great skill.

Mera Regila

Mera Regila

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

In The Deep

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Yay. I was expecting the standard noob response all around, "QS SUCKS NOOB" but im actually getting support. QS is a way better skill than everyone thinks it is. I'm getting exp players so far.

*waits for the rush of noobs to invade the topic*

Poison Ivy

Poison Ivy

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

Toronto

Hopping

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*Makes point before noobs rush in*

It's only underrated by nublets

*Puts on Anti-Flame jacket and flees*

RobotMULE

RobotMULE

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

Mo/W

I like using Dual Shot, Quick Shot, then Savage Shot, for 3 rapidly fired shots (well, 4 considering Dual Shot).

Works nice with extra dmg from Favorable Winds, Kindle Arrows, Conjure Flame, and a vampiric bow.

Poison Ivy

Poison Ivy

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Join Date: Jan 2006

Toronto

Hopping

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Quote:
Originally Posted by RobotMULE
I like using Dual Shot, Quick Shot, then Savage Shot, for 3 rapidly fired shots (well, 4 considering Dual Shot).

Works nice with extra dmg from Favorable Winds, Kindle Arrows, Conjure Flame, and a vampiric bow. Only 1 slot for a self heal and self defence?

MAdnRisKy

MAdnRisKy

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2005

Requiem Lords

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Poison Ivy
Only 1 slot for a self heal and self defence? he's probably one of those crazy types that oh, I don't know, plays in TA over RA and plays with a monk?

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

Meh, its the Practiced Stance of the damage dealing world... Useless if you don't use it with the right skills.

twicky_kid

twicky_kid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quite Vulgar [FUN]

Quick shot allows you to create a lot of pressure with a bow ranger. Honestly that job is better handled by warriors.

Cripple shot + apply poison is always going to be king for a number of reasons. you get to snare the wars target and instantly covered by poison. Spread poison throughout an entire team for more added pressure.

Crip shot rangers also carry blackout.

Quick shot is good in TA/RA because you only need to take a lot of pressure and not utility in those environments. GvG/HA you will see other types of rangers being ran.

Mera Regila

Mera Regila

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

In The Deep

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Quote:
Originally Posted by twicky_kid
Quick shot allows you to create a lot of pressure with a bow ranger. Honestly that job is better handled by warriors.

Cripple shot + apply poison is always going to be king for a number of reasons. you get to snare the wars target and instantly covered by poison. Spread poison throughout an entire team for more added pressure.

Crip shot rangers also carry blackout.

Quick shot is good in TA/RA because you only need to take a lot of pressure and not utility in those environments. GvG/HA you will see other types of rangers being ran. Um... Cripshot Rangers are extremely common in high ranked GvG. Quick Shot is effectively the best DPS skill a Ranger has. Most of the time however, Rangers aren't called upon for DPS, so Warriors take the place of this build. It's not popluar, but it is extremely effective, able to take down monks and casters with great ease and rangers and warriors as well.

Poison Ivy

Poison Ivy

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

Toronto

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Quote:
Originally Posted by MAdnRisKy
he's probably one of those crazy types that oh, I don't know, plays in TA over RA and plays with a monk? You must be one of those crazy types that oh, I don't know, never played with a monk in TA?

Lowly Peasant

Lowly Peasant

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

QS was so much fun before they fixed it though. Uzi ranger ftw.

BoondockSaint

BoondockSaint

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

R/Me

Well this is an untested build on the wiki.

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/R/any_Quick_Needler

I've run this build in HOH and RA only I switch with a vamp mod because 2 energy even for this rapid build is not that bad. Other varities was that my friend changed to a reclusive bow and then used apply posion. Ive always filled the optional slot with pin down to avoid getting raped by touchers and warriors. From what I've seen, an all around powerful build but the lack of self heal and weakness to Mesmers leads me to run other builds, yet I can see this becomming a new type of spike, with some modifications for team play ofcourse.

ZennZero

ZennZero

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lowly Peasant
QS was so much fun before they fixed it though. Uzi ranger ftw. Oh yes. You could fire almost as fast as you could click. My fiance would complain because all she could hear was clickclickclickclickclickclickclickclick while she was trying to sleep.

TheRanger

TheRanger

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Quickshot is awesome. Dual-Quick-Salvage shot with Kindle can deal around 40% of a casters health in around 2 seconds.

Here's a build I use in AB, I've actually killed a mage in one spike with a height advange.

12 Mark
11 Wild
14 Exp

Zealous Hornbow
R/W

Dual Shot
Quick Shot
Salvage Shot
Kindle Arrows
Frenzy
Rush
"Watch Yourself!" or Whirling Defense
Farvorable Winds

Dyon Adell

Dyon Adell

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

Tyria

Gamer Edge(TRE)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mera Regila
Um... Cripshot Rangers are extremely common in high ranked GvG. Quick Shot is effectively the best DPS skill a Ranger has. Most of the time however, Rangers aren't called upon for DPS, so Warriors take the place of this build. It's not popluar, but it is extremely effective, able to take down monks and casters with great ease and rangers and warriors as well. Monks, I don't think so. Nothing takes a monk, elementalist or assasin down faster than my spike combo. I went to test out the needler build yesterday, and I found this build was the most anti-warrior I ever got. I actually managed to kill running warriors with Dual -> QS -> QS -> QS -> Needle all the way. Needling Shot does a constant 31 damage every shot and recharges instantly if you're hunting down a dying warrior.

When faced with touchers or boon prots, the problem is much harder though.

Despite QS being a fantastic elite, I enjoy Punishing Shot for the quickness of unleashing as well as the added interrupt.

SnipiousMax

SnipiousMax

Perfectly Elocuted

Join Date: Sep 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyon Adell
When faced with touchers or boon prots, the problem is much harder though. Ya, you need support in most cases to take down a Boon Prot, and you really really need a snare for a touch ranger, not something you normally take on a QS build.

NJudson

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

I don't play PvP so is it primarily only good for PvP or does it work great in PvE as well? I haven't capped this skill yet.

TwinRaven

TwinRaven

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

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I've been playing with a variation of this build in Arborstone...I found that with my R/N, Gaze of Contepmt removes all enchantments from foe with health above 50%...startles the boons and with a Savage Shot and needle-needle-needle....they go down faster than you might think.

TwinRaven

TwinRaven

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

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Gaze of Contempt when playing necro secondary, is a great way to open the door to taking down the boons...removes all enchantments if their health is above 50% (which it usually is)...remove enchantments, interrupt them and needle-needle-needle....

XvArchonvX

XvArchonvX

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Join Date: Nov 2005

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Personally I think after playing a R/P that QS really is going to be inferior in terms of rapid fire high damage builds. I won't go so far as to say that the skill should be completely discredited, but I have always prefered a crippleshot + poison build.

Sha Noran

Sha Noran

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Join Date: Nov 2005

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The key is understanding that in a PvP environment, additional forms of support are usually better than just damage. This is why a Cripshot is good, because rather than just hitting 1 as fast as you can, you're also applying pressuring conditions to the other team that, in the long run, will provide a lot more benefit than 1111111111111111111111111111111111111111.

It's also important to recognize that the legitimacy of a build stems from where you're using it. In AB, Quickshot is likely to own the grand majority of people you encounter with it. Why? They have no Monk, most likely, and their self heal is probably something so poor that you can kill them with any semi-decent build.

When you get to the more advanced levels of PvP, however, as I said, the key is support, not just damage. This is why Crip, Punishing, and Oath Shot see a good deal more play.

As far as PvE, Quick Shot was far more usable before they fixed it, whereas before you could fire it several times in the time it now takes for you to fire it once.

some guy

some guy

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

SPAWN CAMPING YOUR HOUSE

We Speed Clear H O H [ HsC]

BTW i just tried the build on suggested by guild wiki, it rocked.

picked off tanks in arround 5-10 seconds

TadaceAce

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

I can't believe nobody suggested the old trick of using QZ with quickshot, you still get uzi ranger, its like needling shot but faster, more damage, but will cost you 30% more energy.

Adria Soulseeker

Adria Soulseeker

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

Washington St.

Final Fear (FeaR)

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You cannot sustain your energy level for long spamming QS with QZ applied, even with a zealous bow.

Xaero Gouki Kriegor

Xaero Gouki Kriegor

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Leather Rebels, (LR)

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imo, i think quick shot would be nice if complemented with concussion shot before, i mean of course you can use a shortbow and keep interupting spells while they are dazed, but if you were wanting to use flatbow or longbow for height or rang while they are dazed, you could use quick shot, but i dunno, read the wind might be best

Yakumo

Yakumo

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Join Date: Nov 2005

UK

Hearts Of Fury [HoF]

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I like using Kindle Arrows... Sundering Attack, Quick Shot, Savage Shot... Sundering Attack, Quick Shot, Distracting Shot...

I prefer Sundering/Penetrating Attack over Dual Shot for the quicker recharge. Although, it can be quite an energy drain, so I tend not to repeat the chains too often.

Mera Regila

Mera Regila

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

In The Deep

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaero Gouki Kriegor
imo, i think quick shot would be nice if complemented with concussion shot before, i mean of course you can use a shortbow and keep interupting spells while they are dazed, but if you were wanting to use flatbow or longbow for height or rang while they are dazed, you could use quick shot, but i dunno, read the wind might be best Agreed, though a friend of mine and me have been arguing about weather an interruptor should use a Recurve or Short Bow. Recurves have the lowest Arc in the game, so they'll reach the target faster, but shortbows have quicker reload time, meaning arrows come OUT of the bow faster. I don't know which bow would be more effective for a build of the type you describe.

Mera Regila

Mera Regila

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

In The Deep

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Adria Soulseeker
You cannot sustain your energy level for long spamming QS with QZ applied, even with a zealous bow. The Uzi Ranger is build for maximum DPS over a short time to cause some damage to targets by taking a shot every 0.7 seconds, it's a very effective combo Quickening Zephyr and Quick Shot. However I believe Quick Shot on its own is more sustainable than QZ with Quick Shot, therefore making it more effective.

Effigy

Effigy

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Illinois, US

Heroes of Talia [HoT]

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I may be wrong, but I was under the impress that QS + QZ no longer worked because a skill's recharge time can no longer be reduced to less than 1 second, if it has one.

Amy Awien

Amy Awien

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Join Date: Jul 2006

R/

I think you are correct Effigy, there used to be a trick where recharge became 0 seconds, but it was fixed.

QS has a 1 second activation and a 1 second recharge, I don't think you can spam arrows faster with it then with a regular flat- or shortbow. It works nice though when combined with other bowattacks.

Skyy Forn

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mera Regila
Agreed, though a friend of mine and me have been arguing about weather an interruptor should use a Recurve or Short Bow. Recurves have the lowest Arc in the game, so they'll reach the target faster, but shortbows have quicker reload time, meaning arrows come OUT of the bow faster. I don't know which bow would be more effective for a build of the type you describe. Reload times are irrelavent for interupts because they fire independant of when your next auto-attack would occur. The draw time for savage/distrcting/punishing shot is the same for all bows, and the arrow leaves the bow 0.5s after you press the key, assuming you press it when you aren't in the middle of another action.

LagunaCid

LagunaCid

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

BHL

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Qs + Ns + Ss = Sex

Mera Regila

Mera Regila

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

In The Deep

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I'm glad one of my threads actually caught on. Please feel free to continue debating about or finding new uses for the elite Quick Shot, the most underrated ranger elite there is!

Arkantos

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mera Regila
I'm glad one of my threads actually caught on. Please feel free to continue debating about or finding new uses for the elite Quick Shot, the most underrated ranger elite there is! Archers Signet is way more underrated then this.

Mera Regila

Mera Regila

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

In The Deep

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkantos
Archers Signet is way more underrated then this. Quite true. I seem to have forgotten that elite.

[offtopic-ness]
Archer's Signet+Concussion Shot FTW
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SnipiousMax

SnipiousMax

Perfectly Elocuted

Join Date: Sep 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkantos
Archers Signet is way more underrated then this. I think it's rated exactly as it should be!