how to counter obsidian flesh (ele elite)
Lord Cooper
like the title says whats the mesmer answer to this skill. as far as i can tell it would render a mesmer useless if facing an ele with this skill. any ideas would be gratefully accepted as i have a 1v1 scrimmage set up with a guildie who loves to use this
Yanman.be
Chillblains, Signet of Disenchantment, Well of the Profane, Order of Apostasy, Dark Apostasy, Expunge Enchantments and Disenchantment
Lord Cooper
so basically ill need to go necro secondary?
Yanman.be
or assassin, or ritualist, or mesmer ( for signet of disenchantment )
Dark Tykane
Yeah the easiest way is to just use Signet of disenchantment since your asking for the mesmer solution of course if theres a cover enchantment you either run from the slowed ele and just leave him alone where he cant do anything until his Ob flesh ends or your in for it.
Northrog
This is a 1 sec spell so as a mesmer you can easily interrupt it.
Yanman.be
Mantra of signet or inscriptions on the signet.
Northrog, it's possible that our Geotank friend has put up Obsidian Flesh before our mesmer friend could cast a spell...
Northrog, it's possible that our Geotank friend has put up Obsidian Flesh before our mesmer friend could cast a spell...
Lord Cooper
exactly.. and hes using galigords staff so its going to last 20% longer anyway 
not sure on his exact build but im certain he has 16 in earth... how long would it last with the 20% from galigords staff and 16 in earth?
not sure on his exact build but im certain he has 16 in earth... how long would it last with the 20% from galigords staff and 16 in earth?
Apple
Well, the thing about obsidian flesh is this : with Serpent's Quickness, it can be kept up constantly, so it's difficult to counter.
Lord Cooper
edit: ive also seen him use mesmer 2ndary and mantra of resolve where he feels interrupts may be a problem. so i feel its safe to assume he will be running that against a mesmer.
is it possible to keep obsidian flesh up permanently?
is it possible to keep obsidian flesh up permanently?
Yanman.be
If he's mesmer, he might use arcane echo ( would that work? dunno ). But if he's a ranger, he willl surely use serpent's quickness!
Poison Ivy
Take off armor, grab a -5 energy primary and a -5 energy offhand set (The objective is to have as little energy to loose as possible), use Signet of Disenchant, put your armor back on, load up your weapons and own that Enchanting freak 
Lord Cooper
i suspect he will go mesmer for mantra of resolve. with 16 earth and galogords staff how much downtime will he have between casts of OF for me to punish him? by the sounds of it im goint to have to kite until OF drops then do what i can between casts. lol will make for an interesting fight
Sol_Vie
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Originally Posted by Lord Cooper
Well, the thing about obsidian flesh is this : with Serpent's Quickness, it can be kept up constantly, so it's difficult to counter.
Yes it can be kept up permanently.
If it's being kept up permanently the best thing to do is to remove it. The important things to pay attention to in the wording of the spell is that it can't be targeted by any spells. So, either use something like was mentioned before (Well of the Profane, etc) to remove it without targeting it (though Well of the Profane would be impractical-he'd have to die first) or use, as Yanman.be suggested, use Sig of Disenchantment. Not only is it a mesmer skill but it's a signet not a spell. Therefore it should work just fine.
If it's being kept up permanently the best thing to do is to remove it. The important things to pay attention to in the wording of the spell is that it can't be targeted by any spells. So, either use something like was mentioned before (Well of the Profane, etc) to remove it without targeting it (though Well of the Profane would be impractical-he'd have to die first) or use, as Yanman.be suggested, use Sig of Disenchantment. Not only is it a mesmer skill but it's a signet not a spell. Therefore it should work just fine.
Lord Cooper
hmm sounds like a plan to me... like you say in this case well of the profane would be useless but signet of disenchant would work nicely... assuming he doesnt run a cover enchantment... i just realised geotanks run kinetic armour as a core of the build dont they? signet of disenchant will just strip that instead as it will always be on top as it is renewed every time you cast a spell im gonna cry!
im gonna lose arent i
im gonna cry! im gonna lose arent i
TeeGee
Taking disenchantment spirit from ritualist secondary could fe funny and suprising solution. In 1 on 1 u r sure that spirit will hit him - then u need to take him down before spirit wears down or be prepared to interrupt his OF with something like blackout or PD (to go through mantra if he's gonna to use it).
Show him that there is no way of beating mesmer 1on1 :P GL
Show him that there is no way of beating mesmer 1on1 :P GL
Lord Cooper
Pd? ? ?
TeeGee
Psychic Distraction - elite interrupt spell that goes through mantra (or any antiinterrupt) and has 2 sec recharge. It blackouts ur other skills for 8 secs, but its one of the best mesmer elites.
Shadow-Hunter
hmm.. You could maybe Go with An IW build? Any kind of Defence boostes, and OF wont help him there, and if he is buffed with OF then he wont be able to kite at all.. after that it would pretty much just stay alive to deliver the dmg, maybe using Ele Resistance if he use Spells that dont ignore armor.. Not sure if it could work, but it seems to look good on the Paper >_>
Also, illusion of weakness would be good i think, as it give some extra Hp..
~Shadow
Also, illusion of weakness would be good i think, as it give some extra Hp..
~Shadow
Terra Xin
Just IW his butt... There you go, the answer to all defensive questions
Lord Cooper
i was thinking of using IW as its about the only viable non conditional counter i can see in the mesmer line. will i be able to kill him with it before he kills me with the likes of crystal wave, tenais crystals (the faction variant of crystalwave), obsidian flame and stone daggers?
Terra Xin
erm... no...^^ but you can throw on Mantra on Earth and hope for the best^^
Yanman.be
Crystal wave goes straight through mantra of earth 3> or is it <3?
Lord Cooper
yes it does it ignores all armour and magic resistances.
ok well thanks for the suggestions guys. ill hit and run with IW while he has OF up. when it drops ill slap a backfire and heavy degen on him and try and drain his energy via interrupts (with mantra of resolve up you lose energy everytime it stops an interrupt. so ill use that to interrupt him and drain his energy hopefully. hes got a good build for taking down a mesmer i think so this is going to be close
ok well thanks for the suggestions guys. ill hit and run with IW while he has OF up. when it drops ill slap a backfire and heavy degen on him and try and drain his energy via interrupts (with mantra of resolve up you lose energy everytime it stops an interrupt. so ill use that to interrupt him and drain his energy hopefully. hes got a good build for taking down a mesmer i think so this is going to be close
Lord Cooper
yes it does it ignores all armour and magic resistances.
ok well thanks for the suggestions guys. ill hit and run with IW while he has OF up. when it drops ill slap a backfire and heavy degen on him and try and drain his energy via interrupts (with mantra of resolve up you lose energy everytime it stops an interrupt. so ill use that to interrupt him and drain his energy hopefully. hes got a good build for taking down a mesmer i think so this is going to be close
ok well thanks for the suggestions guys. ill hit and run with IW while he has OF up. when it drops ill slap a backfire and heavy degen on him and try and drain his energy via interrupts (with mantra of resolve up you lose energy everytime it stops an interrupt. so ill use that to interrupt him and drain his energy hopefully. hes got a good build for taking down a mesmer i think so this is going to be close
Pick Me
Signet of Humiltiy - disables target's elite skill for 1 to 13 seconds. Stops the repeat use of Obsidean Flesh
Braggi
I first thought hexes don't count as spells, but the stupid holy griffons' enchant I encountered some time ago means they are, hex spells.
Then I'd go the signet road. There's a mantra to speed up recharge, and keystone signet {E}. 2 interrupts, nice.
As fast cast doesn't apply to signets (at least guru says so, I never really tried) I can take domination, inspiration and another attribute - I'd suggest monk secondary with 2 more damaging smiting signets for knockdown or kd chance, maybe balthazar's aura for 10s unconditional damage or stonesoul (skill) for more damage against knocked down enemies...
Can chaos storm be cast on allies? I'm not sure and not able to check atm, but I regularly used it to protect Alesia. If so, as he's slow you could cast it on yourself when close up, but I think I just targeted a foe close to her.
Then I'd go the signet road. There's a mantra to speed up recharge, and keystone signet {E}. 2 interrupts, nice.
As fast cast doesn't apply to signets (at least guru says so, I never really tried) I can take domination, inspiration and another attribute - I'd suggest monk secondary with 2 more damaging smiting signets for knockdown or kd chance, maybe balthazar's aura for 10s unconditional damage or stonesoul (skill) for more damage against knocked down enemies...
Can chaos storm be cast on allies? I'm not sure and not able to check atm, but I regularly used it to protect Alesia. If so, as he's slow you could cast it on yourself when close up, but I think I just targeted a foe close to her.
Evilsod
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Originally Posted by Yanman.be
Crystal wave goes straight through mantra of earth 3> or is it <3?
So this is an E/A with Deaths Charge now is it? Obsidian Flesh was 50% slow the last time i looked, easiest way to counter it is either interupt it or just walk off.
Eaimirth Etaivella
Ok I am ignoring my last post.
Leech signet the obsidian flesh the next time it refreshes; then powerblock it the next-next time. Spam whatever you want to stay alive in that time, reversal of fourtune...whatever. It doesn't really matter to be honest. He has 81 energy you have 54 your spells are are more energy effective than his blah blah blah...
Leech signet for the win interrupt the stupid obsidian then kill him. Killing him is your preference; you can use shatter enchantment, energy burn, energy surge, I would use powerspike some would use illusionary wep which is also a good choice...add illusion of weakness if you are going that route for longitivity bonus...
Basically
Mantra of earth-keeper
Leech Signet-keeper
Domination-ish build
-powerspike
-energy burn
-guilt
-powerblock
Illusion
-Illusion of Weakness
-Illusionary Weaponary
there ya go
Leech signet the obsidian flesh the next time it refreshes; then powerblock it the next-next time. Spam whatever you want to stay alive in that time, reversal of fourtune...whatever. It doesn't really matter to be honest. He has 81 energy you have 54 your spells are are more energy effective than his blah blah blah...
Leech signet for the win interrupt the stupid obsidian then kill him. Killing him is your preference; you can use shatter enchantment, energy burn, energy surge, I would use powerspike some would use illusionary wep which is also a good choice...add illusion of weakness if you are going that route for longitivity bonus...
Basically
Mantra of earth-keeper
Leech Signet-keeper
Domination-ish build
-powerspike
-energy burn
-guilt
-powerblock
Illusion
-Illusion of Weakness
-Illusionary Weaponary
there ya go
Braggi
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eaimirth Etaivella
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Originally Posted by Lord Cooper
ive also seen him use mesmer 2ndary and mantra of resolve where he feels interrupts may be a problem.
Against the Mesmer/obsidian build your suggestion doesn't work, because you can't interrupt him when he's recasting. It just costs him some mana, which he can afford every 45 sec.
Sure, he can't catch the mesmer (too slow), but the messmer can't hurt him eather. That's why I suggested the signet build.
Francis Demeules
And if they use Ignore def spells like Crystal wave and Obsidian Flame, Prot spirit do the trick to confuse them and they will wonder why they dont do big dmg
You can try Shame/Guilt spell (always forgot which one) if they do Echo Obsidian Flesh
Kai Nui
Leech Signet and Signet of Disruption can bypass it without removing it to interrupt. Divert their obsidian flesh or just run away since they'll be moving 50% slower lol.
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