Just wanted to share some of 'my' thoughts about the new pre-made builds with other players.
Firstly, noticably all of the new builds are GvG/Arena builds, where's the enthusiasm to encourage people to play Heroes' Ascent?
Secondly, all the builds are ''apparently'' designed by Esoteric Warriors, this is wrong, most of them builds weren't designed by them, but designed by other guilds/players. This in a way implies that Esoteric Warriors designed all of the metagame builds in the game to date. Credit where it isn't deserved on their part..
And where are the Heroes' Ascent builds? Where's the Word Of Healer monk, Migraine mesmer, Iway warrior, Choking Gas ranger and so on?
Basically Arenanet wants everyone to play the same linear metagame builds, not a scent of variety to be seen. This is all wrong..
Pre-Made Builds
Kep
The truth itself
You people are impossible to satisfy, this is great news tbh, we actually got some useful pre-mades now.
Overnite
Yeah, I've been using some of these builds in RA since like forever, so they've hardly "designed" them. While creating my incredibly original E-denial mesmer I've also noticed that they have added Elonian looks for the character, featuring a whooping number of 3 faces and 3 or 4 hairstyles. YAY !
Celios
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Secondly, all the builds are ''apparently'' designed by Esoteric Warriors, this is wrong, most of them builds weren't designed by them, but designed by other guilds/players. This in a way implies that Esoteric Warriors designed all of the metagame builds in the game to date. Credit where it isn't deserved on their part..
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Actually, I couldn't help but notice that some of the new builds were very close to some of the old standards, except with a minor (and, more often than not, disadvantageous) change made to make it seem a little more "unique".
Everyone likes the idea of useful premades, but this is seriously just getting into politics more than anything. Add the basics, recognize that no one team or person came up with them and GG. Don't put guilds in stupid positions by assigning credit where it's not due.
TeeGee
C'mon even if new templates lack some common build (which I agree with but on the other hand if every current metagame character was there it would be also bad) they are far better than last ones.
Now u can hop into pvp with stable, solid and tested build not some paladin or illusion slasher. This will make things easier for beginners and will result in higher level of play in RA for example.
Its true that this build was rather common and not invited by EW - but i guess they won some contest or sth. I also regret that there are no HA builds there, but maybe they will add them later.
Still i don't want to complain cause overall its very good update which is more significant than u think in the first place.
Now u can hop into pvp with stable, solid and tested build not some paladin or illusion slasher. This will make things easier for beginners and will result in higher level of play in RA for example.
Its true that this build was rather common and not invited by EW - but i guess they won some contest or sth. I also regret that there are no HA builds there, but maybe they will add them later.
Still i don't want to complain cause overall its very good update which is more significant than u think in the first place.
Sarevok Thordin
I just hope these premades don't become the thing you see EVERYWHERE.....
You know.....there ARE other skills out there -_-
You know.....there ARE other skills out there -_-
Kruzing Low
sub out healing hands/mending wammos for the pre-made builds that actually work
some reason im gettin a feeling that ra will be at least a little more competitive
some reason im gettin a feeling that ra will be at least a little more competitive
lemming
Does this make EW the metagame?
EagleEye33
It should just be worded differently, saying these are just the builds they picked and not the ones they "created". As far as the other updates go, they are ok. but back to the main one I dont think these pre-made builds should be in there, though a decent idea, this will just cause even more people to not explore the other skills and try things new. Its bad enough as it is, and this wont help, thats why this part of the update kinda sucks,
Sarevok Thordin
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It should just be worded differently, saying these are just the builds they picked and not the ones they "created". As far as the other updates go, they are ok. but back to the main one I dont think these pre-made builds should be in there, though a decent idea, this will just cause even more people to not explore the other skills and try things new. Its bad enough as it is, and this wont help, thats why this part of the update kinda sucks,
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dargon
naw, each of those builds has certain weaknesses that make them work best in a team environment, but at the same time, they are WAY less sucky than what used to be there
Chilly Ress
Ya, giving EW credit for each and everyone of those builds is a bit naive and ignorant. And, if EW really did create all of those in ANet's minds, then why did they only use EW's? Becausse they won the championship once? This is actually making me very ticked off right now.
Phoenix Arrows
All these builds are overused in GvGs...I don't get why they are up if practically everyone has those skills unlocked. I would've liked to see some more original ones or something.
Feminist Terrorist
Why can't I make my own build? Is anyone else having that problem?
tomcruisejr
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Originally Posted by Chilly Ress
Ya, giving EW credit for each and everyone of those builds is a bit naive and ignorant. And, if EW really did create all of those in ANet's minds, then why did they only use EW's? Becausse they won the championship once? This is actually making me very ticked off right now.
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scrinner
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All these builds are overused in GvGs...I don't get why they are up if practically everyone has those skills unlocked. I would've liked to see some more original ones or something.
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nohooiam
here's the problem.
those that use premade builds aren't playing gvg.
those that use premade builds aren't playing gvg.
JR
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All these builds are overused in GvGs...I don't get why they are up if practically everyone has those skills unlocked. I would've liked to see some more original ones or something.
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SnipiousMax
I really fail to see why people are complaining. Would you rather them put back the old ones? Templates are only meant to 1.) Give someone without any experience in playing pvp a solid base to start with, to learn a profession, their limits, and their intrests. Once they have a stronger backing in PvP, they'll branch of into other things, learn what they like, tweak/invent/inspire. They are hardly meant to limit imagination, more to spark intrest and give people a chance to be competitive in a brutal field. 2.) Give experienced players the chance to jump right into PvP without having to play through the tedious unlock process of PvE (for those that don't LIKE the tedious unlock process).
I hardly see why it is bad to have basic solid character builds. Its infuriating to hear people complain about it.
I hardly see why it is bad to have basic solid character builds. Its infuriating to hear people complain about it.
lyra_song
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Secondly, all the builds are ''apparently'' designed by Esoteric Warriors, this is wrong, most of them builds weren't designed by them, but designed by other guilds/players. This in a way implies that Esoteric Warriors designed all of the metagame builds in the game to date. Credit where it isn't deserved on their part..
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http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/guild...ade-build.html
EW asked the community to submit their builds (theres 2 threads here on guru about these when they were being voted on). The best builds were voted on. The only build that was not chosen by EW was the ritual lord build, although everyone knows that build already. EW gave those builds to Anet. Anet implemented it in the game.
This Anet is listening to its players and making changes in game.
I cant understand how you can fault EW for servicing the community like this.
They could have decided to put their own personal ideas in, but instead they went to the forums and posted it up and asked us to submit and vote on our builds.
The only blame here is to you for being so ignorant of those facts.
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And where are the Heroes' Ascent builds? Where's the Word Of Healer monk, Migraine mesmer, Iway warrior, Choking Gas ranger and so on? Basically Arenanet wants everyone to play the same linear metagame builds, not a scent of variety to be seen. This is all wrong.. |
Arenanet didnt make the builds. The community submitted and voted.
samifly
^ agrees with Lyra - they (EW) let us choose, they didnt have to, so I dont really see a problem with EW getting their names on the builds.
And its really, really nice to have decent builds, just tweak them a bit. RA is already improved.
And its really, really nice to have decent builds, just tweak them a bit. RA is already improved.
lyra_song
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^ agrees with Lyra - they (EW) let us choose, they didnt have to, so I dont really see a problem with EW getting their names on the builds.
And its really, really nice to have decent builds, just tweak them a bit. RA is already improved. |
S'ok...^^ we all know its yours.
Aejorii
Jeez, people are impossible to satisfy.
linh
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And where are the Heroes' Ascent builds? Where's the Word Of Healer monk, Migraine mesmer, Iway warrior, Choking Gas ranger and so on?
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Shield
I appreciate the new premades. Solid, current builds are much better than ones that were considered good 12 months ago, if ever. Totally new players should be able to jump into RA and learn good concepts like stance cancelling from their build instead of bad ones like gimping a warrior's damage output.
SnipiousMax
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...learn good concepts like stance cancelling ...
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Kep
I'm simply complaining about EW getting credit for builds which they never designed. If you designed a build and someone else took all the credit for it, would you be happy? Anet should change their wording, instead of
''Designed by Esoteric Warriors'' to
''Put forward by Esoteric Warriors''
If they want to credit EW for making the builds, take all the builds away and put a FoC spiker in their, then shove Designed by EW underneath it.
''Designed by Esoteric Warriors'' to
''Put forward by Esoteric Warriors''
If they want to credit EW for making the builds, take all the builds away and put a FoC spiker in their, then shove Designed by EW underneath it.
Former Ruling
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I'm simply complaining about EW getting credit for builds which they never designed. If you designed a build and someone else took all the credit for it, would you be happy? Anet should change their wording, instead of
''Designed by Esoteric Warriors'' to ''Put forward by Esoteric Warriors'' If they want to credit EW for making the builds, take all the builds away and put a FoC spiker in their, then shove Designed by EW underneath it. |
2) They got credit because they submitted it..If you made something and wanted the credit..you submit it first. Thats how things go. Just like people "stealing" other peoples inventions because the first person didnt patent it..
makosi
I don't have a free slot to check the builds out, anyone know where I can see the new premades? Thanks in advance.
Loch
EW was asked to present ArenaNet with some solid premades, they did so, therefore, the builds are attributed to them. That was their prize for their tournament win - being immortalized in the builds used by newbies. I see nothing wrong with this.
If you want to see "original" builds, check out the previous set of premades.
On another note, HA-specific builds are generally terrible in any other kind of format, while the arenas and gvg don't have retarded mechanics that drive weird build design. The arenas and gvg generally welcome solid builds that deviate from one single narrow purpose, so it makes sense to design builds around those modes. Not to mention that all the premades need to be usable in randoms, because that's where most newbies start out.
If you want to see "original" builds, check out the previous set of premades.
On another note, HA-specific builds are generally terrible in any other kind of format, while the arenas and gvg don't have retarded mechanics that drive weird build design. The arenas and gvg generally welcome solid builds that deviate from one single narrow purpose, so it makes sense to design builds around those modes. Not to mention that all the premades need to be usable in randoms, because that's where most newbies start out.
MoldyRiceFrenzy
Ya, i think the credit was kinda screwd up here, since these common builds werent really designed by the warriors, but other people most likely. Also it kinda make me alittle mad that they went and named them different names... i mean shock axe = shock axe... they just tried to make it sound "unique" with the whole warrior's(or axe?) theory thing which is just so it sounds new...
dunno we are gonna be seeing alot of crappy-a$$ , yet good builded newbs around guildwars now... i mean its good that now we have these builds, since i generally have to remake my char alot, now i can just click on of them and mod it alittle depending on my situation - since i use those types of builds alot... but it kinda makes me feel like a nubbin now, knowing that eveyone is going to be using these. NOW my pve boon prot doesnt even feel special anymore!!... before eveyone used it, but most of them knew what they were doing, now there are gona be hecka around and alot of them will be disgracing the boon prot culture!!! ahhhg lol. i feel so newb....
dunno we are gonna be seeing alot of crappy-a$$ , yet good builded newbs around guildwars now... i mean its good that now we have these builds, since i generally have to remake my char alot, now i can just click on of them and mod it alittle depending on my situation - since i use those types of builds alot... but it kinda makes me feel like a nubbin now, knowing that eveyone is going to be using these. NOW my pve boon prot doesnt even feel special anymore!!... before eveyone used it, but most of them knew what they were doing, now there are gona be hecka around and alot of them will be disgracing the boon prot culture!!! ahhhg lol. i feel so newb....
tomcruisejr
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They could have decided to put their own personal ideas in, but instead they went to the forums and posted it up and asked us to submit and vote on our builds... |
one of the prizes of the championship was the chance for the champion guild to design its own premades and show it to the world. so personal and original ideas should've been put in but they did otherwise, which is not bad but yea, the prize was just wasted.
and now, designed by EW? wtf. we know what happened. a.net please edit the typos. :P
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2) They got credit because they submitted it..If you made something and wanted the credit..you submit it first. Thats how things go. Just like people "stealing" other peoples inventions because the first person didnt patent it..
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its a trap!
Ghull Ka
Designed by EW = false.
Submitted by EW = true.
If these builds had a speck of creativity or originiality, then sure, use "designed". But since they're the same, standard cookie cutter GvG builds that we've seen for months now, I really don't see how EW should be given credit for "designing" them.
They "submitted" them, though, and that's undeniable fact.
Submitted by EW = true.
If these builds had a speck of creativity or originiality, then sure, use "designed". But since they're the same, standard cookie cutter GvG builds that we've seen for months now, I really don't see how EW should be given credit for "designing" them.
They "submitted" them, though, and that's undeniable fact.
Noose
i think they should have left it the way it was, there was some cool stuff, omg Abominable Snowman = teh PWN!!!11
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i think that above anything else, the profession changer makes everything sooo much better, i dont really care what builds they put up, as long as i can take one for an elite i dont have or something, and change pretty much everything else. It's just more 'modern' stuff, and its easier to make your own.
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i think that above anything else, the profession changer makes everything sooo much better, i dont really care what builds they put up, as long as i can take one for an elite i dont have or something, and change pretty much everything else. It's just more 'modern' stuff, and its easier to make your own.