Fix Storage! (and other things)(Rational Ideas Inside! I promise!)

Ok, I'll start with:

---One: Materials Storage! Great idea! Poorly executed!
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I remember screaming this idea at Gaile one day when she was in LA for literally the WHOLE time she was there (about an hour)
At the time I said each slot capable of stacks of 500 or more, she scoffed at the idea "Y U NEED MOR THEN 250 OF AN ITEM LOLZ THT NOT HOW U PLY"
Or whatever.
One answer: 3-6 characters worth of armor, 15k armors alone take more than 250 of a material FOR THE FULL SUIT.
How to fix this issue
Raise the caps, honestly, I dont think having 2000 planks or hides is THAT hard to obtain, nor is it unreasonable to have that many.
Bare minimum request: Commons - cap @ 1000, rares - cap @ 500
Reasonable request: Commons - cap @ 10000, rares - cap @ 5000

---Two: EXPAND STORAGE.
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20 slots for 4 characters? Ok. 20 slots for SIX characters? Not Ok.
I buy 3 more slots for characters. 20 slots for NINE characters? ...
I buy nightfall. 20 slots for ELEVEN characters? Ugh.
Seriously, ANet, this has been a problem since DAY ONE.
Storage has NEVER been big enough, so you didnt want an item driven game, ok, fair enough, but its been a YEAR, its an item driven game, like it or not. MAKE IT BIGGER ALREADY.
Bare minimum request: 5 spaces in storage PER CHARACTER SLOT.
Reasonable request: 5 spaces in storage per char slot, and the ability to expand our storage capacity through a gold sink (Pay Xunlai agent 500g, get 1 slot, or something)

---Three: DYE STORAGE.
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You gave us material storage, wheres the dye storage? Honestly, do you really think people enjoy selling those oranges to the dye trader for 1-2g per?
Didnt think so. People save their dye. One slot per color, even a slot for remover.
Bare Min. Request: Slots for every color, cap @ 250
Reasonable request: Slots for every color INCL. Remover cap 250-500

---Four: A KEYRING.
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You gave us these neat keys to use everywhere, that way chests always give US an item (if we pay the money for the key to begin with)
This is a reasonable and (in my eyes, overall well recieved addition)
Now, gimme a place to STORE these keys
Bare Minimum request: A place on characters, AND a separate addition to storage to store keys separate from your inventories
Reasonable Request: A purchasable "key ring" (youd have to buy it for each character, just like the mat storage) that any character can access, ANYWHERE (in a zone, town, whatever), so I wouldnt have to remember every time im about to go out, oh yeah, get X keys for X place.

---Five: A scroll storage?
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Doing everything else, mightas well.

---Six: Armor and Weapon Locker.
This one i think i might have a bit harder time explaining
But basically, each character has a separate "locker" that they can access and dump weapons and armor suits in for temporary storage when you dont need them, additionally, only THAT character would be able to access it (my necro couldnt get into my rangers armor locker, etc.)
I dont need my 55 suit when im pvping, nor do I need all my blood weapons when im a death necro, whatever.
Request: 10 unlinked slots for armor (ie: not tied to a specific piece of armor, headgear or whatever) and 10 slots for weapons.

So yeah, I focused a lot on storage, now Im done, I promise.

Anyway... moving on.

You say you wanna auction house?
Solution: Xunlai (or whatever) Auctioneers.
How to keep people from flooding with items that will NEVER sell:
Pay to trade, pay 500g per item to put up, 100g for each additional day over two you want it up there, maximum 7 days (so max cost to put an item up = 1k)
Second option: Player made "stores" pay 10k or something, put up a large amount of items under your name.
Xunlai auctioneers will be in every town next to their box toting colleges.
Browse in tabs, Weapons, Runes, Materials, misc.
under weapons: swords, axes, shields, etc.
under wands/ staves / offhands: sort by attribute.
Except under stores, you will not have access to the persons name who is selling (so you cant force a friends auction up, or screw up an enemies auction)
Players posting items would have the choice of having a starting bid or just simply having a buyout price
For items over 100k there will be the ability to offer more than 100k actual gold (as the money could come directly out of storage. Also the ability for people to place items in exchange (which would have to be verified by the seller before accepting).
I could probably go into more detail, but im lazy, and im sure people could refine this a lot better than I could.


Character Customization:
Most armors tend to have two "Main" areas of focus.
Think of 15k plate as an example, as it has two distinct areas on it, the dyeable area, and the non-dyeable area.
Make most armors have two dyeable areas on them (scar patterns and ascetics tattoos would not be able to have two areas as an example)
This could increase player unique-ness
And if the new hair thing ISNT a bug, there better be "stylists" on the way soon. Maybe some unique hair styles for pve characters, ones you can only get in certain towns. (to further distinguish pves from their pve counterparts)

This isnt so much of a game idea as an outsider looking in.
Personally, Id rather see one LARGER game every year, then one factions sized game every six months. Also, two new classes every six months doesnt really sound appealling to me, and im sure other people too. Granted, the meta game needs the boosts, but Id rather see 100 new skills every six months, and two new classes every year, rather than a lot of stuff thrown at us every six months.



Finally, skills:
Order of Apostasy is BROKEN.
Fix it.
Now.
At the VERY least, give it a recharge. The fact that it can be maintained CONSTANTLY with energizing winds makes it a BROKEN SKILL.
How to make it still viable yet make it not be the most overpowered skill in the game at the moment:
add: 5 second recharge
change: wont affect with other necro enchants (just like Order of the Vampire)
change: upon removal of one enchant, apostasy ends for that character. (so one warrior cant remove 3 enchants by himself)

Ritualists:
Give all their "lightning damage" spells/skills 25% armor penetration. They are by far the most underpowered class in the game, basically completely given over to only their communing line of spirits. And with basically only ONE elite being used (Ritual Lord) They have a seat in the meta game, but they are kind of the outcast because they arent really effective at doing ANYTHING ELSE.

And seriously, break IWAY in half. You may have gotten people into pvp, but you have nerfed builds for far less than what IWAY has done.
Rationale:
Skills/Builds that have completely overtaken pvp in such a way that everyone, in order to run something OTHER than said FOTM, has to have counters for it has gotten nerfed.
Spirit Spam: Nerfed (special case as no real counters for it existed)
Air Spike: Nerfed (the rise of prot monks anyone?)
Smite eles: Nerfed (everyone had to bring massive amounts of enchant strips, eles with unlimted energy saw the nerf of Ether Renewal)
Blood Spike: Nerfed (half energy from spirits, no more unlimted energy necros)
IWAY: Pretended to be nerfed. Counters that have to be included in EVERY build nowadays in tombs: Lots of anti-warrior (Wards, multiple Aegis' etc.)
Yet somehow this is OK?
IWAY rules the metagame, like it or not, any build that cant counter IWAY in some way is not a viable build.
Every other type of build that has caused this has gotten a severe swat with the nerf bat. (However the normal FOTMs that come and go have not, people make a build, win with it, people figure out the "easy" counters and the old FOTM dies, and a new one rises, thats normal. It is NOT normal for one build to be completely dominating how the FOTM changes.
Like it or not ANet, IWAY has to be somehow removed from pvp, and even then, the tombs portion of pvp may never recover to where it couldve been.

Theres my little raving, If you dont like my ideas, feel free to say so, however, saying "THT IDAE SUX, U NOOB" is not viable criticism, if you think an idea wont/cant work, im more than willing to listen to your side.

-Wrynn

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EDIT:
Forgot to add something:
The ability to reroll IN PVP TOWNS (with pvp only characters) would be nice too, talk to a NPC and can swap runes, weapons, armor, secondary, etc.
The recently added secondary changer in great temple is long overdue IMO.

Has it been executed? All I have is a single-tab "Item Storage."

Go to kaineng and you can buy your materials storage (only if you have factions of course)

You have to buy it at Kai Center.

Ah, thanks.

Yes and no. My disappointment was that it's Factions-only. Something like this is a game enhancement, and should therefore be available in all chapters.

On the positive side, there's slots for all materials (and I assume it will expand as more materials become available), rather than simply 20 slots you can put only various materials into. I agree that it would be nice if the 250 cap could be exceeded, but I'm happy.

My guess is we'll see purchasable storage expansion. I don't know about scroll or dye storage -- I don't think these things occupied as much space as materials to qualify as a crisis. But storage expansion would solve those.

I can agree with most of what you're writing, much of it would be nice, but I don't really care if they expand storage or not. My characters are straining from the storage being full at all times, but I still think it works ok-ish as it is now, in the future (more slots) however I agree they need to expand it.

But...
They are underpowered, yes, but the ritualist bosses are insanely powerful against henchmen. Spirit Rift does upwards to 250 damage to my warrior, should I be stupid enough to be in one, and since henchmen have a tendency not to move out of aoe spell areas (as opposed to monsters) that would annihilate them completely. If they do that they should do something to lessen the damage the bosses do.

Yes, this should be available for prophecies as well.

You sure do sound greatful!

Furthermore, communing rits are one of the most powerful pvp builds around right now (i imagine it will be nerfed), and vengful farmers are some of the most versitile and efficiant farming builds around.

You're wrong, ritual lords arent the only type of ritualist round, and ritual lord is not the only elite used. Have you ever heard of Vengeful Was Kahnei

All the things you stated has been stated before and IF a.net intends to implement ALL of this it would take some time.

I think you people try to hold too much garbage. "Oh we need storage for armor, dyes, materials, scrolls, blahblahbkjlab!" What the hell are you saving up 500 wood/whatever for anyways??? SELL IT WHEN YOU GET 250.

"You gave us material storage, wheres the dye storage? Honestly, do you really think people enjoy selling those oranges to the dye trader for 1-2g per?
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The DYE TRADER, does not buy ANY dye for under 25 gold, last time I checked. If you want to be a reatard and sell to merchant for 1 gold be my guest, lack of storage isnt forcing you to do that however.

As for scrolls, why the hell do you need more than 250 of any kind of scroll? Are you planning on buying 15 character slots and power leveling them all to 20?

THese are big demands from people who hold massive ammounts of items, for no reason whatsoever.


/notsigned

Nightsquire- communing rits in pvp arent as powerful as you may think, they are easily shut down, and without energy management (such as boon of create) they suffer badly with ritual lord (spirits are spendy when you cast them that fast)
Secondly to that, replacing your prot with a RL Ritualist you will suffer in pvp, as basically massive condition removal is needed. Period. This is not debatable. Hexes got majorly screwed with the last update(NR/Tranq builds anyone? Massive amount of new hex removal?) So conditions are even bigger in pvp atm. Without good, efficient condition removal, you will suffer.

As far as Lord of Blah - Reading only the first thing of each section of what i said, then responding to JUST THAT is NOT the way to comment on this post I made, if you GO BACK AND READ EVERYTHING AFTER THE LINE, you might realize that there IS a use for more than 250 of a common material (15k armor for MULTIPLE CHARACTERS?) last i checked, the average suit of 15k armor took 350 of a common material for a full suit, now multiply that by 5 + characters, say you have a couple casters? well, theres 1050 cloth that could potentially be used, right there.

For dyes? Ok, so i havent bothered to check that dye trader now buys for 25g, even still, I know LOTS of people who store up dye that way, when they DO want to change their characters colors, they arent forced into buying thousands of gold worth of dye when they could have easy access to it.

And, since you bothered to READ any of my post, ill say it again, since apparently I didnt word it clear enough.
Since Im asking for every other type of "stacked" item to have its own storage, might as well make slots for the six types of scrolls, just to save time.

Blah, dont comment on a post unless you have read it fully, you quite obviously didnt read half of it, then make some pointless rant about how you disagree with my ideas, because ZOMG WE HOLD SO MUCH GARBAGE.
Your garbage is stuff I want to save for future characters. You dont? Fine by you, dont buy the storage upgrades, I dont care.

To firey, I realize it would take some time (and im actually one of the first ones ever to talk about all this stuff way back in like june-july of last year), but I cannot fathom why they would give us a half-assed version of what something could be when its OBVIOUS people have been complaining about the lack of storage, basically since the second month.

I understand that GW was not intended to be as item heavy as it is. But it is. Like it or not. Its time to get with the program.

This part has nothing to do with how powerful / weak the players are, bosses do double damage to everything.
Ritualist player characters are still weak at everything BUT communing, and even communing isnt all that great.

As far as henchies and their ability to get completely destroyed by any boss with big dmg aoe, well thats a whole separate debate.
Go fight the discord boss, and have some fun with the 250-300 dmg deathly swarm.
(OT comment- it seems like the bosses dmg ranges on skills is NOT affected by a players/henchies armor at all, theoretically, a deathly swarm, dealing cold dmg should do LESS dmg to a ranger / warrior but it doesnt seem to be the case, in some cases, it seems to do MORE than double, but eh, again, a whole different argument / debate / whatever)

Key Ring: Cool idea.

You don't need 8 million slots to keep all your stuff in storages. Sure it takes a lot of effort and space to get 15K armor and the special items you want, but that makes them all the more valuable.

However...

I do want them to add a REAL Guild Storage. When I first heard they were adding one I didn't expect a Xunlai Agent in my Guild Hall. (Though that is sometimes useful) I wanted something like a 30X30 storage space where the leader and the people of his or her choice could put their treasures in.

Giving all the Ritualist's Channeling spells armor penetration is not a good idea. The Elementalist's attributes are designed to flat out be the highest damage dealing character (in most cases) you can play. The entire Air Attribute is primarily about spiking and unloading a ton of damage on one target. Which is why they gave it armor pen. The mere fact that Ritualists have spells which they can use at a distance to inflict lightning damage makes them different. Ritualists aren't supposed to be a super powerful force. ANet doesn't design characters like that to make a new impression of awe of their mighty power. THE RITUALIST IS A SUPPORT CHARACTER, NOT AN ELEMENTALIST. They were never supposed to be powerful! Read their skills carefully, and note the damage they can deflect, not inflict. So if you pour your points into Channeling Magic is hopes of out damaging an Elmentalist and achived that, what would be the point of Air Magic? In fact, Channeling isn't just about damage to being with! If all you can see if just lightning damage then you are not reading the skills good enough.

Order of the Apostasy is not a broken skill. Yes, it has no recharge. And yes, mixing it up with Energizing Wind makes it very good.

Congradulations!

We just found another SKILL COMBO that works good. The very thing ANet intended for it's players to do! Why do you think there are 80 million skills in this game to begin with? Customization and strategy! It is all about team work and origionality. The skills which look hard to use or even useless, mixed with the right compliments can be amazing. It is one thing I like about Guild Wars so much!

Now IWAY can start taking your new skill combo.

This is another reason why spirits can't go overlooked. You see IWAY coming, they lay down Energizing winds. (which by the way, really hurts 5 mana, 10 mana spells, skills and signets.) So you automatically know they will use OoA, right? That just goes to show you may want to kill that spirit, to make that Necro suffer from their own mana cost. Oops! There is that strategy popping it's head up again. It's sneaky! Because believe it or not, the cookie cutter builds are not the only way to win! Instead of whining on how everything should be nerfed, think of a way to BEAT IT.

With that being said:

Yur ideas suxxors! noob!11!go home11!!!1!

Flopjack-
As im sure you know, guild storage has been mentioned before, however, as im sure you know, the whole idea can get messed up really really badly, all you need is one bad seed in the guild to jack everything and leave, and you have problems

Yes, Ritualists are a support class, but then, so are eles. (Earth line?)
If they are supposed to be pure support, then why bother with the channeling line? All im saying is buff channeling magic so its actually USEABLE outside pve.

Order of Apostasy IS broken, for all the reasons I mentioned, and as far as me "giving the combo to IWAY" I say it BECAUSE THEY ALREADY USE IT.
Play against IWAY more and youll see why its broken, basically OoA is like old NR. way too powerful in the fact that it removes enchants from being a part of pve. (NR/Tranq does it differently)
Yes, you can go off and lose dmg output by having a warrior go kill EW, but guess what, theres an oath ranger right there ready and waiting to put up a new one.
The idea "oh just kill the spirit" works on paper, not in practice.

It would be tight if they made a new PVP mode where Guilds or Players had a storage where they would put money. Then when they are duking it out the winner gets something from the others storage. Add some risk and fun to the mix. Although there would need to be regulations on the items. But you could just have gold in a storage at a set amount. Anyone like the idea?

Well I happen to know most of my guild personally, so I guess I didn't think about people stealing. You're right, they will have to develope a safe method first.

Ritualist's attribute of Channeling Magic is the only effective offensive spells they have. Some of which benefit spirits and other which work off of spirits to inflict more damage and what not various effects. Channeling also has a lot of ways for Ritualists to gain their mana back. Signet of Spirits, an elite signet which enables you to gain back mana per spirit that is in your area, is a VERY GOOD ELITE. No one uses it hardly, which I don't know why. You don't have to have Ritual Lord to make a useful PvP Ritualist, for one. That signet gains you a similar amount of mana as Energy Drain or Mantra of Recall, two very popular elites. Not to mention the Ritualist Elite is a Signet, so you can cast that with no cost and use other various skills to recharge it faster.

Ancestors Rage is another good skill which if people could master using, is basically a Melee Boon type of spell. You see people using Air of Enchantment and Zealots Fire to boost the damage of Warriors (Technically boosts their damage), Rage is a similar spell which spikes that damage faster (Higher damage all at once). You could easily get 200-300 damage out of that one 10 mana spell if a Warrior positioned themselves amongst enemies. People are always bunched together in Tombs (Heros Ascent), there is a good place to use that. Spirit siphon can be tagged on after using a few skills as a rit to drain the unused mana form your spirits to help refill your own supply. A properly place Destruction Spirit could do 100s of damage in a Tombs match if ignored. Channeling Magic isn't the strongest attribute, yes, but I don't think it is entirely meant for damage, or to be strong either.

I knew IWAY teams use OoA. I know what IWAY uses. You cannot keep OoA up indefinately even under energizing winds, the same way you cannot keep up Order of Pain up forever. Casting 10 mana that often eventually depleats a Necromacer's energy. However, even if you send that 1 warrior out to destroy that spirit and an IWAY necromancer casts OoA, they just used half, or more then likely over half of their mana on one spell. And I doubt that spirit would be up as fast as you say it is, because most of the IWAY groups I see, the Warriors bring the spirits, then they have the 2 Necros and 1 Ritualist or Trapper. Even if they did have an Oath Shot Ranger. Someone could bring Unnatural Signet and keep focused on those spirits which hurt the party the most. The casting times of the sprits would slow down the Ranger and the person who brought the signet would catch up and eliminate the spirits. Another thing you could do is bring out some old school nuking if they clump their spirits too close. Or if you want to get really tacky, after you kill the spirits, inturrupt the Ranger, so he can't lay down more.

In rational thinking... especially with how things are now, it seem the only way to get extra storage space is to pay for it (with real money).

I am sure the Dev could expand the storage space with relative ease, and is very much aware of the cry for them. However, why is it not be? Why, even at best, we only get storage for materials, and only for Faction?

Storage space act more like a transition station, to transfer item between each character. The real storage space is the Character and thier pack, and of course, look who is selling them. If we do get more space, won't the boys at marketing question if that would reduce the possible sell of new character slot, or even extra games?

You cann't blam them for wanting to make buck, afterall, they got family to feed and Porsche to drive. But unless future evident show otherwise, that is just the rationality I see behind the lack of storage space.

IWAY warriors DONT bring the energizing, and if you are that out of it that you dont know that IWAY has oath rangers now, you shouldnt be commenting on how the skill is broken.

Secondary to that, a warrior CANNOT overextend to kill certain spirits / players, again, good on paper, horrible in practice.

Go play against smarter IWAYs and youll see why OoA is a broken skill.
Additionally, as far as the necros energy, if they are running 10 soul, then they are getting 5 energy per spirit, with two full time spirit spammers, thats more than enough to power OoA pretty much indefinently.

You simply miss the fact that the old NR was nerfed because it basically made enchants worthless, well, OoA is doing the same thing against iway.

IWAY used to be easy to kill, seed their focus, prot spirit their focus, whatever. now you are making prot monks basically useless because of that

As far as channeling magic, you will never see the elites you mentioned used on a ritualist in pvp. why? because then you would sacrifice ritual lord. the way the "good" spirits affect things (you only take 10% but spirit loses hp) theres a chart up that shows how many "hits" a spirit can take for the team before they die. Its not much. You need the faster recycle on spirits because their recharge is too long, and they lose effectiveness if shelter and union are only up for 10 out of every 60 seconds. (if that)

Stop looking at the paper, and start seeing the stuff in practice Ian Boyd.

I don't know how the old NR worked, can you tell me? As far as I know it makes enchantments and Hexes takes 2 times the cast time.

I know IWAY doesn't bring energizing winds, it was a suggestion to make OoA better for them. Also, I have been in IWAY groups that do not use an Oath shot ranger. IWAY groups can vary slightly mixing and matching different strategies. Every IWAY group is not exactally like you describe.

Yes, Necromancer get about 5 mana per spirit that dies, but since they DONT use Energizing Winds (EW), that means the cost is 25, that is half their mana in one shot. You still say they can cast that about every 5 seconds and have enough mana? Maybe during the thick of battle, when people die and they recieve 10 mana possibly, but I'm not so sure about only getting 5 mana trying to keep up a 25 mana enchantment during the slower parts of a battle.

Monks and their protection enchantments aren't the only way to defend against IWAY. If you would have someone bring Ward Against Melee, you would cut IWAY's damage output in half. If they have 2 necromancer, and 2 spirit spammers, that leaves room for 4 warriors. Then if you use Well of the Profane, that renders the orders next to useless. If you can't beat 4 warriors with a Ward against Melee (which makes them technically 2 warriors if they are fighting in the Ward) with 5 or 6 people, something is up. And Ward Against Melee works in practice, right? I mean how many balanced groups ask for Warders? If you want to get really cheap, you can even use Ward against Foes too, and just run around in it if you are a Monk. IWAY has to come to you because all of its attacking is from Warriors. Stay in the Ward if you are a caster, and you will live twice as long.

I didn't mention Channeling EliteS, I mentioned one Channeling Elite. (Which tells me you DON'T know channeling enough. So if I know so little about OoA and I can't argue about why I think it is not a broken skill, why can you say why you think Channeling is underpowered, if you don't know enough about it?) The other spells were basic spells. The Signet of Spirits was the only elite I mentioned. And I guarentee I can make a Spirit last longer without using ritual lord. How? By using a 0 mana skill under spawning power. Signet of Creation. This non-elite signet gives your spirits 6-7 health regeneration. How dare I double or possibly triple their output with a skill that isn't Ritual Lord. There are other ways to get your spirits to recharge faster! For one, there are 2 ranger skills under wilderness survival that would help with the recharge: Serpents quickness, a stance which makes all your skills rcharge 33% faster. If you devise a stragtegy good enough, and I have seen people do this: They bring QZ and thenyou can slice off 50% of the recharge times of your spirits. With QZ, you will lay some heavy mana costs for the Order Necros, especially with OoA. You just gotta be creative. Think outside the box and past the mainstream.

I don't understand how you can say that sending someone out to mess with the spirit spammer(s) of IWAY can be a horrible move. Half of IWAY teams do not even attack hardly at all, and you say sacrificing 1 person from your team will screw you up?

And who the heck is Ian Boyd? Can you tell me that, Sharon Beckly?

The old NR made all enchants and hexes drop upon cast completion.

Um, actually, pretty much every IWAY group follows Hopeless' lead, so when he starts using something / changes something, every IWAY tends to follow suit pretty quickly. EVERY IWAY that I have fought since math started using EW for their OoA necro has been using EW.
And minor variations dont count.
At this point in time, the staple IWAY:
N/Mo - OoP + heals (varying elites, HH seems to be the most prevalent
N/Mo - OoA + heals
R/Rt - Oath Spirits + ashes AoE rez
R/x - Trapper OR Rt Spirit spammer (WITH RITUAL LORD)
4 warriors.

They DO use energizing winds. This is not arguable, every IWAY that uses OoA has EW, period.

-Yes, Ward Melee is GREAT on paper, but it DOESNT WORK AS WELL AS YOU SEEM TO THINK IN PRACTICE.

Yes kiting is common practice, so what? You are STILL talking about the "perfect" battle under "perfect" circumstances, which is NEVER how it works out.

I know enough to say its a weak and unused attribute because of its inherant flaws.

And its a worthless elite. Simply put, under pvp conditions, you wont have the ability to maintain spirits the way you apparently think you can.

And thats why everyone brings breeze to tombs, right? Because 6-7 regen is GREATER THAN ALL SOURCES OF DAMAGE EVERZ!!1111!!

I dont know if you just IGNORE update notes or what, but recharge caps at 40% faster, which means you now have a 36 sec recharge under QZ/Serpents, again, both of which have HUGE penalties, so you get spirits back ALMOST as quick, so what? The REST OF YOUR BUILD HAS TO BE MODIFIED TO BE UNDER QZ. And you need a ranger to maintain it.


Sending someone out to solo a necro and trappers? Ok, trap bomb much? One warrior falls back and slaugters your warrior.
Again, you are looking at the PAPER, and NOT THE PRACTICE. If you fight R3 ish IWAYs, yeah, guess what, you can slaugter them senseless, easily, why? Because they dont have a clue about higher level tactics, but go face off against MATH and see how far that gets you. Send your warrior with no self heals out against IWAY necros.

Ian Boyd is a great forum devotee of strategy in the guild wars universe.
Despite the fact that he doesnt own the game, and can only make builds and call strategy on paper.

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I have a challenge for you.
Go watch observer mode.
Find me ONE top 100 guild with a communing ritualist using Signet of spirits with shelter union and displacement.
Why dont they use the bar you mentioned? Simply put- IT DOESNT WORK WELL. I guarantee if they had a better way to maintain spirits, they would be using it. These are people better than I, who have far more time to devote to figuring out how skills can interact with each other.

Secondary to that fact. You are wanting a rit to spec into 4 attributes?
Communing (for spirits) - Channeling (for your elite signet) - Spawning (which you need with spirits) - AND Wild Survive? (for serpents)
Doesnt work that way, sorry.

I can call it right now
Watch gvgs:
Warriors will have one of the following
Sword and charge / bulls charge (possibly some others due to the fact that sword warriors CAN have variable elites.)
Axe will have eviscerate
Hammer will have Dev or BB, POSSIBLY earthshaker, but doubtful.
Eles will be water and/or Air With Ether Prodigy. (and maybe an ele with a ward or two thrown in for fun.
Monks will most likely have either EDrain, Mantra of Recall, or Blessed Light.
Rangers will have apply poison, crip shot, interrupts, or possibly a bunny thumper.

Watch tombs:
Warriors will be either hammer or axe, with Dev/BB or Evi respectively
Eles will be Earth or Fire. dual attune or GoE.
Rangers will be Oath + spirits / traps || CGas + PStance + seeking || or thumping
Monks will have RC, SB, Word, Possibly healing light.

Seriously, seeing the stuff on paper, yeah, id agree with you, but it JUST DOESNT WORK IN PRACTICE.

Too bad they aren't. While we're buffing Channeling, can we buff Fire?

I'd like to see some kind of seasonal items storage as well... my storage is literally packed with egg nog, candy canes, absynthe, witchesbrew and other crap that i'll actually never use, but that i WILL keep for just the sake of the idea that i ever had a good time with those events. Including helmets please, atm i don't even have 5 free item slots on each char (5 PvE chars!)

And no, i'm not going to buy a slot to get a mule character...
The idea of having more storage with each char sounds like a great idea, same for the keyring, perhaps even some armor backpack thing (since i carry 7 helmets (seasonal items ftw) on my warrior, a different armor set on both my monk and my mesmer, and so on, and so on...

I'm hoping that there will be any fix soon, since my characters are just bulking with items that i just don't want to get rid of (souvenirs or actively used items)

Totally agreed... but we just got an update for storage so my guess it'll be at least another month till we get more

Wrynn, I had a response to the bit about 15k armor, however my edit didnt didnt get applied for whatever reason. So here is my response to that:

Hold the first stack of 250 whatever in your mat storage and then the other 100 or whatever ammount on your character. You seem to be using something that uses more than one stack (in this case 15k armor) as an excuse to get permanent storage of 1000 of that item
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You're right, getting 1000 wood doesnt take long to get at all... which in a way proves my point in why you dont need that much space for that much. get all the mats for your character all at once and ther buy the armor, after all, you said its not that hard to do.

I still disagree with you.

I understand what you are saying, but see it from this side, you have 6+ characters (i now have 8 slots on my account, potentially more coming soon)
Consider the most common needs for caster armor -> Cloth. With all my characters, I could easily burn though 1000 cloth in a short period of time.
If they want people to look forward to getting 15k armor, then why not make the storage able to handle your needs, I would think most of the heavily active pve'ers (and even pvp'ers who like using their pves for pvp, such as me, its not just buying armor for looks, but also buying for functionality. Most casters could, and even SHOULD have at least two suits of armor, at least multiple chest pieces. My monk has full ascetic, then judges and wanderers chest and legs, canthan 15k chest / legs coming soon.
All Im saying, is rather than give us the bare minimum, give us the max, even if 90% of the game is never going to use it, its still better to have MORE than we need, than less than what a lot of people will need.

I for one, would rather see storage space for everything, way more than ill ever use, than something thats too small for even a pathetic farmer like myself.

Wait, so from the old NR hexes and enchantments just.. failed? What do you mean by "dropped"?

I misread your post, it sounded like you said IWAY doesn't not bring EW, and I didn't see them use it.

Wards-

Well I guess we simply don't agree with each other with the Wards. All I know is that I have seen how effective those Wards work against IWAY, but I guess your IWAY teams aren't effected by them.

Ritualist-

First off, I never said: YOU SHOULD USE THESE EXACT SKILLS IN YOUR SKILLS BAR!!!! I never listed a rit skill bar at all! I never said spirit spammers shouldn't use ritual lord in IWAY groups. I never said to mix QZ and Serpents. I never said for a Ritualist to use 4 attributes. I have seen groups work with QZ and other ranger spirits would screw over most groups in such a way that it didn't screw themselves over. All I have been saying the entire time is not to rule out skils so easily especially when you have not experimented with them.

Then you also say: "Yeah, send out your warrior with no self heals to get slaughtered! He will get slaughtered by a trap bomb! He will die to an IWAY warrior! He will get killed by the necros!" I can easily say that my ?/? can kill the order necros. The same way you say your IWAY people can kill my W/? or ?/?.

You also keep saying I cannot argue about OoA because I don't see what YOU see in how it is a broken skill. Have you ever tried to use channeling magic or just looked at it? Have you ever tried ANYthing but the mainstream? Or do you assume what people tell you is the only/best possibilities?

Signet of Creation -

Your right, a person getting hit by lots of damage, signet of creation's regen wouldn't do much. But Union, for one, only takes 15 damage or less each time it works, 7 regen = 28 health a second. That is bound to keep the spirit alive longer.

Me ignoring updates-

No, but I guess you like to make your own updates up. 40% is max cap of healing, which can still be passed. And 50% is max cap of skill recharge, which can be passed as well. Check out the updates page to see for yourself.

Your right, I won't see a Rit in top 100 guilds using Signet of Spirits, but that doesn't mean that Elite doesn't have it's place.

I think I addressed everything, if not, repeat it or tell me.

Fire doesn't even need buffing. It's damage is nuts the way it is. On level 16 almost every spell damage for over 100, easily. Not to mention most the those spells are Area of Effect, so they usually hit mroe then one target. I do however think the Mind spells need to lose the Exhaustion.

Previously, when NR was cast, all enchants and hexes in its radius were removed. Dropped.

In PvE, maybe. But the entire attribute, save for two or three skills, is by and large worthless in any section of PvP. Air has Windborne, Blinding, and Orb. Earth has some great support, and so does Water.

Fire spells simply don't do enough damage for the insane costs, cast times, areas of effect, and recharges they possess.

Added to the old NR buisness was that you could literally spam it, ie. 8+ copies of it (and other spirits of your choice) down at any one time and they also benefited from fertile's effects.

What few Fire spells are worthy of PvP then?

Fireball's decent, and Rodgort's Invocation is pretty good as well. I can't think of anything else that is worth play.

Boy this is kind of offtopic.

So you've never seen Starbursters?

Seriously Wrynn... how much ranting do you want? The thread name says RATIONAL and you want 10000 storage limits... Who the **** needs that much of any 1 material. 250 is fine... Its not gonna stop the stupid hoarding i had on my necro with over 4000 wood. But its stores what you need. Why exactly are you whining that 'it costs more than that for any 1 suit'? Since when did you buy 15k sets for all your characters at the same time? And if you did, why would you need to store your materials if you could simply buy them with all your money...

Dye storage... tbh i don't care. Its 8 slots. 8 slots on a storage character isn't much.

Keys... yeah it'd be nice but theres not really any reason to be holding keys when you don't intend to use them.

Extra storage slots i'd agree with though. 20slots for 4 characters was ok, 20 slots for (soon to be) 8 characters is not enough. But if your've just bought 3 more slots... storage character anyone?

Again, you missed the point. IWAY has trappers. Trappers punish you for ward camping.
I dont see how that is difficult to understand.

I have a pve ritualist, Its even a channeling ritualist, in FoW armor.
I know channeling magic. And guess what? Its crap in pvp, plain and simple.
You DID say to use both QZ and Serpents, scroll up and see how you suggested to get spirits back quicker.


Eh?

I look at skills every day. I pvp, every day.
Theres a reason why certain skills are used and others arent, the ones that ARENT used is because no one has found an effective way to use some, this is true, however, with probably 1/4 million people looking at the same skills, every day, theres a REASON why certain ones are always used, and most of them are NEVER used. Simply put because they are CRAP.

You MIGHT get a second or two. MIGHT. Last I checked, Union and Shelter dont last very long as is, sacrificing the recharge for something that MIGHT give you an extra 2-3 hits on shelter? Not worth it.

My mistake, you are correct on the healing effectivness / recharge caps.
But the elite still isnt effective in pve, let alone pvp.


Fire has to be used with dual attune. (unless you are starbursting, and then you dont run MShower, Meteor, etc.)

Whatever, I have nothing against fire, thats someone elses bag.

Its not that I disagree with you, its that you simply do not see the skills in use. You talk about them on paper, where everything is perfect circumstances. In the game, it never is.

Here are my two concerns:
OoA is overpowered. Period. For all the reasons I stated. If you cannot see why I say it is, fight against smart IWAYs as a monk.

Channeling Magic, the ritualist attribute line is UNDERpowered. Why? Because it simply DOESNT DO ENOUGH DAMAGE FOR THE ATTRIBUTE/ENERGY INVESTMENTS.
This is plain to see even on paper. All their skills do lightning damage, not holy, not shadow, so armor works against their skills.

Please, before you comment back to this, get some real pvp experience.

Because like I mentioned before, Id rather see a HUGE cap that very few will hit, rather than a cap I maxed on commons 10 minutes after i bought the expansion (and only because it took me 10 min to MOVE everything.)

The rest is all just, id rather use my storage for items (Weapons, collectable drops, etc) than taking up space on keys, dyes, more materials, etc.

IWAY Trappers -

Yes, Trappers will run into your group and trap around your wards, but I don't think a flame trap, barb trap or a dust trap blinding the casters will mean victory or loss. It would hurt, but it would be better then standing outside the ward with the IWAY warriors.

Your Ritualist -

I'm glad to hear you have a PvE Rit. And what is a Channeling ritualist, just one who only uses the channeling spells? That isn't making very good use of Channeling magic. Like I said, the damage isn't going to super high, it's not meant to be. I mean, they didn't add freezing time to the Cold damage many of the necro spells do, or the Dervish, does that mean all of those skills are underpowered too?

Your "eh?" -

You keep saying extreme cirsumstances to make my suggestions look worthless. I suggested a Warrior (Possibly) but more likely a ranged person to give the IWAY's Spirit people heck. You said something like: "Oh that will never work, an IWAY (Warrior, necro, trapper etc..) will murder your warrior who has no self heals. I never really specified a build except that maybe someone could keep inturrupting their spirit guy, which would stop their spirits.

So I said: "You say your ?/? (Meaning a person from IWAY) will kill my W/? or ?/?" oh so easily. A balanced warrior won't die so easily from an IWAY warrior just because he is going after their spirits.

But that isn't going anywhere and it is too complicated to explain my thoughts here.... so screw it.

QZ and Serpents -

Sorry, I never said to use them both at the same time. Again, it was two different suggestions of ways to get spirits back faster.

Signet of Creation -

I never said here to replace Rit Lord with this skill. Sig of creation isn't elite for one. This is why I say this is a useful skill:

Lets say a union spirit has 450 health (I don't know the exact health but that doens't matter.) I used 450 health becuase if it were to get hit by at least 15 dmg each time it blocks, it would get hirt 30 times and then die. Lets say it loses 15 health 3 times each second. That would mean it would last about 10 seconds. If you were to quickly use Signet of Creation right after casting Union, at 7 health regeneration, that is +28 health each second. It losses 45 health a second, that would reduce its damage to about 17 health a second. You would increase the life duration to about 26 seconds! That is just a little bit more then 1 or 2 seconds like you suggested. However, if we count in the 2 second cast time for that signet, it will lose a few seconds. Even then, that is still more then doubleing the spirit's duration. And we didn't even replace Ritual Lord. (Which is a good elite, dont get me wrong)

OoA Overpowered -

Even if they did add a 5 seconds recharge, you think that woud make much of a difference?

Someone else's bag -

You don't need to do dual attunement with fire. I use fire quite a bit and I found Glyph of Energy to keep my mana secure a heck of a lot better.

IWAY Trappers -

Yes, Trappers will run into your group and trap around your wards, but I don't think a flame trap, barb trap or a dust trap blinding the casters will mean victory or loss. It would hurt, but it would be better then standing outside the ward with the IWAY warriors.
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Dust trap + a ranger using a bow = cant stand in wards.
Again, ward camping works in theory really really really well. It doesnt work as well in practice.

No it means Im a PRIMARY channling ritualist, just as if I said "Im a curses necro" Doesnt mean Im 100% Curses / Soul Reap, it simply means that the bulk of what im going to be using comes from the channeling / curses lines respectively.

Necros do cold damage because of grenth, theoretically, so should ritualists (As they bow to grenth as well)
However, not counting elites, necros have FIVE cold damage dealing skills:
Chilblains (which you dont use for the damage)
Bitter Chill
Deathly Chill
Deathly Swarm
Fetid Ground
All have secondary effects that mitigate the cold damage portion of the skill. (hitting three targets, dealing extra damage, recharging instantly, poisoning, whatever.)
But if you are focusing on the death line for damage skills, ehh, you shouldnt.
The vast majority of necro DD skills do one of three things: Direct HP steal, Pure "Damage" or Shadow Damage, which might as well just be "damage" as theres nothing that has inherant weaknesses or buffs against shadow damage (conversly, holy damage does double against undead and bonus damage to tormentors / necrotic armor wearers.)

I dont give extreme circumstances, ask a pvper, every circumstance that ive given is a very real, and very common occurance.
You are giving "perfect" circumstances to try and tell me how my argument is flawed.

You are still looking at everything on paper.

Which are both possibilities yes, however QZ requires you speccing out everyone else under it. Serpents requires a secondary class and attribute point devotion to make it effective (and a smart team will just spike you halfway every time you use it and cancel it.)

I did get two signets you were mentioning mixed up, and i apologize for that, however, on most Rt bars, you dont have room for the signet, let alone time to use it. Ive played a communing rit, and with 4 spirits on your bar, and Rit Lord making them come back 50-60 % faster, you are basically full time spirit spamming. I do see what you are saying as far as giving them the few extra "hits" but its not worth the slot, nor the time investment IMO, but yes, I do see how it could be useful.

I think if they made a 5 second recharge it wouldnt be AS effective under EW, secondly, it needs one of the other two either: end upon removal of one enchant or not trigger with other necro enchants.
Even with these additions, it would STILL be perfectly viable in IWAY, just not as stupidly overpowered as it is now (where one warrior under IWAY effect can strip 5+ enchants off one person.)

Both are viable depending on what you are doing. Or depending on what you are playing against. (Secondary to that-primary eles by far get screwed on non-usable elites.)

I didn't read everything but I like your Key Ring idea. They have "belt pouches" and "bags" for items, why not add a key ring for keys.

A load of the same bullcrap suggestions we have all the time.

I mean keyrings - what is the point? You don't have "permanent" keys in GW and if you hoard keys you should just consider using them and stop farming for a while.

• Expand standard storage to 30
• Increase Common Material storage cap to 1000 per material
• Add Dye storage (perhaps with 5 extra slots for unspecified mixes?)
• Add Armor Storage with 20 slots (four full sets; five w/o headgear)(possibly accessable only by the owner of the armor; ei. Schae the Abbout would see his 15k Wanderer's in the Armor tab, while Mister Magnifique would see his 1.5k Enchanter's)

That's pretty much what I want to see. I would also like the stack cap increased to 1000 in general. This would especially be good for materials as 15k armor can sometimes take 400 of one standard material to craft.

Just my two cents.

More than 250 stack in material storage would be nice. In my guild we made a bank system. So if ppl want something they send me a mail and I get on with the bank they trade in stuff they don't need and I give them stuff they need. I wanted to remove my stuff from the banker so I could store more stuff, like scrolls and runes. But I can't now.
Guild bank would be a good addition and auction house that work like a balthazar priest ... yup yup...

Sweet Jesus Mary and Joseph, 10,000 of each material? When will any on-bot non-extreme farmer ever use that? You don't want "improved" storage, you want unlimted storage.

That being said, I do agree with the idea of increasing storage size and number of slots increases. If 4 characters = 20 slots, why shouldn't 6 characters = 30 slots? Unfortunately, I don't think they can do this or else the whining brigade will say they are indirectly charging for storage.

Of course, the whining brigade is complaining about lack of storage right now, so screw them and their hypocritical bellyaching.