Ummm have any of you seen this skill yet? >_>
Doesn't holy damage IGNORE armor and double damage against undead? >.>
oh man ._. I can't wait till later on to make my dervy!
this + primal rage would be PIMP for a W/D >.>
but yeah o.o this is gonna be SWEET q.q
its like
10 energy
cast time of 3/4
all nearby foes take ?-? holy damage (one i saw was at 40), for 30 seconds, all your attacks deal holy damage, when the enchantment ends, it lights your foes on fire for one second o.o
im sorry but thats just PIZZIZZOWNED >.>
Heart of holy flame = PWN
Fox Reeveheart
zeno
no damage ignores armor in Guildwars. Any sort of armor-ignore comes from the skills themselves. This is almost like a guy I ran into about a year ago who believed that Chaos Axes ignored armor because they deal chaos dmg(warcraft 3) =/....
The intial ?-? holy damage ignores armor, but the damages dealt by your attacks won't, even though they're dealing holy damage. It's the same deal with Judge's Insight.
degen don't count as dmg
The intial ?-? holy damage ignores armor, but the damages dealt by your attacks won't, even though they're dealing holy damage. It's the same deal with Judge's Insight.
degen don't count as dmg
Align
See my response in the topic you first saw the skill in.
Yanman.be
It's like Judge's Insight I think...wich is actually Light damage.
Align
Not that it matters.
HOLY DAMAGE DOES NOT IGNORE ARMOR.
HOLY DAMAGE DOES NOT IGNORE ARMOR.
Anryla
What? Holy damage type does not ignore armor? Any proof of that?
Bane signet deals same damage to a warrior as any other proffesion
Or am I totally misstaken?
Bane signet deals same damage to a warrior as any other proffesion
Or am I totally misstaken?
Shield
As zeno said, any armor penetration or armor-ignoring properties are caused by the skill, not the damage type. JI makes you do holy damage, but your damage does not ignore armor. It specifically gets 20% AP. More information is on the wiki:
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Ignore_armor
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Ignore_armor
remmeh
D/A AoD+Heart of Holy Flame spike...
Solar_Takfar
It does cause double damage against undead, and 5 extra damage about necromancers wearing tormentor's armor (my poor neccrie 
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I was expecting the Paragon, being a "guardian angel" and stuff, to be the one with holy-damaging skills, tho. Instead, he's an angel who likes to make people bleed and set stuff on fire...
)I was expecting the Paragon, being a "guardian angel" and stuff, to be the one with holy-damaging skills, tho. Instead, he's an angel who likes to make people bleed and set stuff on fire...
Manic Smile
old testament followers
Sax Dakota
go to isle of the nameless....walk up to the suits of armor, and use holy heart of flame. They all take the same dmg which is 64 if you go right out with the premade.....
The damage that is listed on holy heart is exactly what you are going to hit for, minus damage prevention enchants.
The damage that is listed on holy heart is exactly what you are going to hit for, minus damage prevention enchants.
Makaelthos Solcry
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no damage ignores armor in Guildwars. Any sort of armor-ignore comes from the skills themselves. This is almost like a guy I ran into about a year ago who believed that Chaos Axes ignored armor because they deal chaos dmg(warcraft 3) =/....
The intial ?-? holy damage ignores armor, but the damages dealt by your attacks won't, even though they're dealing holy damage. It's the same deal with Judge's Insight. degen don't count as dmg |
Terra Xin
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It's like Judge's Insight I think...wich is actually Light damage.
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That's bull crap shadow damage and chaos damage ignore armor.
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Any damage that is inflicted by weapons is subject to passing through armour. If a weapon is enchanted to perform holy damage, because it is a weapon, it is still subject to armour, regardless if your weapon deals holy damage. The real benefit of holy is its increased damage versus selected armour on necromancers and undead minions.
Damage caused by the skill itself are not subject to the properties of the weapon, and therefore ignroe armour altogether. Excluding elemental damage, this is very much true.
And please read the link provided by Shield - http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Ignore_armor
WhiteZombie
generally, spells that do holy damage ignore armor. holy damage on weapons, however, is simply another type of damage other than physical damage. it still does double damage to the undead, however.
so, in turn, the initial AoE of heart of holy flame ignores armor. the attacks just have their property changed to 'holy', and do not ignore armor.
so, in turn, the initial AoE of heart of holy flame ignores armor. the attacks just have their property changed to 'holy', and do not ignore armor.
ubermancer
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Originally Posted by zeno
no damage ignores armor in Guildwars. Any sort of armor-ignore comes from the skills themselves. This is almost like a guy I ran into about a year ago who believed that Chaos Axes ignored armor because they deal chaos dmg(warcraft 3) =/....
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Poison Ivy
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Originally Posted by zeno
no damage ignores armor in Guildwars. Any sort of armor-ignore comes from the skills themselves. This is almost like a guy I ran into about a year ago who believed that Chaos Axes ignored armor because they deal chaos dmg(warcraft 3) =/....
The intial ?-? holy damage ignores armor, but the damages dealt by your attacks won't, even though they're dealing holy damage. It's the same deal with Judge's Insight. degen don't count as dmg |
Shadow dmg / Holy dmg ignores armor.
Holy dmg doubles on undead (Dunno about Shadow dmg)
And don't pay attention to zeno, he has NO CLUE what he's talking about
Goats17
Holy damage ignores armor, but Judges Insight doesn't. That would just be unfair. It, and Heart, are the only exceptions to the Holy Dmg rule. I think.
Million Blades
Try getting a wand that deals holy/light damage, and then a wand that deals something like fire damage, and then attack the 100 armour dummy. I think you'll find they both do the same damage overall.
Spura
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Holy damage ignores armor, but Judges Insight doesn't. That would just be unfair. It, and Heart, are the only exceptions to the Holy Dmg rule. I think.
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Damage from skills always ignores armor unless it is declared to be physical or elemental. Damage from weapons never ignores armor.
Damage from smiting spells is holy solely for purpose of hurting undead. It could simply be no type damage otherwise.
linh
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Don't belive this bullcrap.
Shadow dmg / Holy dmg ignores armor. Holy dmg doubles on undead (Dunno about Shadow dmg) And don't pay attention to zeno, he has NO CLUE what he's talking about |
twicky_kid
If you like this skill you should look at Balth Rage. At 14 myst it deals 96 aoe holy dmg and heals you pretty big when it ends. 5 second recharge to boot.
Personally I use them both for huge Spikes.
Personally I use them both for huge Spikes.
Horseman Of War
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Not that it matters.
HOLY DAMAGE DOES NOT IGNORE ARMOR. |
Hmm tho... Dervish scythe + Holy Dmg (we'll say bring BOTH Judges AND Heart... just to keep it going- plus with the unenchant skills for energy gain...etc)
That is how I will kill off some Kurzick MMs... Ill try an AB tonight with those skills
(excited)
floppinghog
holy, dark, chaos dmg ONLY IGNORE ARMOR DEPENDING ON THE SKILL DESCRIPTION.
god damn
to above me, armor still has to still be considered fully or else you gonna have +20% penatration on no armor? understand, everything is the same, unless stated otherwise in a skill.
"Foe >> TAKES << X number of dmg, ignores armor."( it does not factor armor into account for that skill.)
if a skill says you do holy dmg, doesnt MEAN jack shit.
lets have everyone here who doesnt know what skill descriptions actually mean, and believe chaos,shadow,or holy dmg always ignores armor. a test shall be, go wand a few different lvl creatures with a wand that does one of those dmg types. try a low lvl creature, then try a high lvl creature. according to you, it should always do 11-22 no matter what. go try it.
god damn
to above me, armor still has to still be considered fully or else you gonna have +20% penatration on no armor? understand, everything is the same, unless stated otherwise in a skill.
"Foe >> TAKES << X number of dmg, ignores armor."( it does not factor armor into account for that skill.)
if a skill says you do holy dmg, doesnt MEAN jack shit.
lets have everyone here who doesnt know what skill descriptions actually mean, and believe chaos,shadow,or holy dmg always ignores armor. a test shall be, go wand a few different lvl creatures with a wand that does one of those dmg types. try a low lvl creature, then try a high lvl creature. according to you, it should always do 11-22 no matter what. go try it.
fb2000
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lets have everyone here who doesnt know what skill descriptions actually mean, and believe chaos,shadow,or holy dmg always ignores armor. a test shall be, go wand a few different lvl creatures with a wand that does one of those dmg types. try a low lvl creature, then try a high lvl creature. according to you, it should always do 11-22 no matter what. go try it.
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any +dmg (unless elemental in MOST cases) is armor ignoring :
"if this attack strikes, u hit for +dmg" (+dmg is armor ignoring)
"target foe takes 55 holy dmg" (ignores)
"target foe is hit for 130 fire dmg" (doesnt ignore)
"target is hit for 100 earth dmg (ignores armor rating)" - ignores (like obs flame)
at least this is how i understand it
the weekend sucks tho
Retribution X
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err7, only selected monk wands/staves deal light damage, judges insight deals holy.
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The dervish skill does holy damage, which ignores armor, which is why Shield Of Judgment is effective.
End of story.
natus
Heart of holy flame does not make your attacks ignore armor.
FrOzEnMaGe
for those noobs that dunno wtf they're talking about go make a d/mo use the div holy skill and banish on 100armor/80/60
you'll get..
same dmg on every armor as the dmg on the skill
holy dmg from skills/spells/sigs = ignore armor "weapons of all types dont ignore! wands/staves/axes"
BUT!
cuz holy flame is an "aoe" type of skill, it is affected by the range of how far your enemy is from you, if your next to a non-moving target it will do the max, anywhere else it seems to do less dmg to a moving target depending on how far it is from the place you casted the skill.
its also why banish does the dmg on the skill no matter what cuz:
1. its a skill with holy dmg "ignore armor"
2. its a direct dmg to a target "not aoe"
enough said..
you'll get..
same dmg on every armor as the dmg on the skill
holy dmg from skills/spells/sigs = ignore armor "weapons of all types dont ignore! wands/staves/axes"
BUT!
cuz holy flame is an "aoe" type of skill, it is affected by the range of how far your enemy is from you, if your next to a non-moving target it will do the max, anywhere else it seems to do less dmg to a moving target depending on how far it is from the place you casted the skill.
its also why banish does the dmg on the skill no matter what cuz:
1. its a skill with holy dmg "ignore armor"
2. its a direct dmg to a target "not aoe"
enough said..
Bowman Artemis
Quite simply, holy damage from skills ignores armor and does exactly the amount of damage it says it does. Holy damage from weapons (even though they may be affected by a skill) doesn't, it does weapon damage + modifiers - armor effect. All holy damage does double to undead.
anonymous
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It does cause double damage against undead, and 5 extra damage about necromancers wearing tormentor's armor (my poor neccrie
)I was expecting the Paragon, being a "guardian angel" and stuff, to be the one with holy-damaging skills, tho. Instead, he's an angel who likes to make people bleed and set stuff on fire... |
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BUT!
cuz holy flame is an "aoe" type of skill, it is affected by the range of how far your enemy is from you, if your next to a non-moving target it will do the max, anywhere else it seems to do less dmg to a moving target depending on how far it is from the place you casted the skill. |
So many people dont understand game mechanics. Holy damage from weapons is not armor ignoring. End of story. It doesnt matter why bane signet ignores armor, it does, weapon attacks dont.
Hidden in the Mist
Called Reversal of Fortune.
Holy damage treats all armor levels as if it was 60, which means holy damage doesn't ignore armor.
Holy damage treats all armor levels as if it was 60, which means holy damage doesn't ignore armor.
Solar_Takfar
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The best way to guard someone is to make sure whatever is going to harm it isnt there right?
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TadaceAce
Heres how you test it, you use heart of holy flame, and you use wild blow on a 60 armor dummy, and an 100 armor dummy. You will find out they don't do the same damage even though wild blow would create for an equivalent base damage. Problem solved, case closed.
LoKi Foxfire
Judge's Insight doesn't deal real Holy damage, it does Light damage which is still double damage to undead but it only has 20% AP. As for Avatar of Balthazar, my Dervish does a little more damage with their AE attacks so I'm not sure if it ignores armor. It seems like it does somewhat because the skill only does 84ish and with AoB, it does like 95.
zigzag
ok... for sure the people that say holy damage on a sword/satff/axe/etc.. does not ignore armor at all its juts a type of damage slash/blunt/cold/fire etc... is RIGHT!
skills like banish bane sig do ignore armor.
just go search in guildwikki
who ever said about the same thing as me is right and everyone eles is wrong face it.
skills like banish bane sig do ignore armor.
just go search in guildwikki
who ever said about the same thing as me is right and everyone eles is wrong face it.
furikuriallday
There's a diff. between skill damage and melee damamge. Chaos (skills) i.e. esurges ignore armor. IW, same deal. now. does your bow do more damage wotha firey string? no. so would it deal more with a holy or chaos string if they existed? no.
sorry if that was incoherent....time to slep...
sorry if that was incoherent....time to slep...
Align
This thread is full of "IM RIGHT BECAUSE I SAY SO".
For all intents and purposes, anything that modifies your weapon damage to holy or whatever, does NOT make it ignore armor, right?
So why do you INSIST that this means all those skills are exceptions? Doesn't it make far more sense that the SKILLS that deal the SAME type of damage ignore armor instead, simply because most non-elementalist skills do?
For all intents and purposes, anything that modifies your weapon damage to holy or whatever, does NOT make it ignore armor, right?
So why do you INSIST that this means all those skills are exceptions? Doesn't it make far more sense that the SKILLS that deal the SAME type of damage ignore armor instead, simply because most non-elementalist skills do?