About Zaishen Medallions: Alcohol, Creme, Flame of Balthazar and Sigils! All from PvP

LoKi Foxfire

LoKi Foxfire

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Florida

One Corgi Army {OCA}

R/Rt

Hey, if any of you are wondering what these new fangled Zaishen medallions are for I recommend you check out the Great Temple of Balthazar! You can get some pretty nifty stuff from PVPing now in RA/TA/HA.




Creme Brulee is a Run buff
Flask of Firewater is Alcohol.



Flame of Balthazar when used gives you 1k Balthazar Faction!

And if that wasn't enough, you can now get Celestial Sigils with 500 Medallions (10 Flames of Balthazar):



Not bad at all. I guess it's a nice reward for the PvP grind. :]

Swinging Fists

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/Mo

Is this just for this event or will it remain ?

King of War

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

Scars Meadows {SMS}

W/

Do you know how long the firewater gives you towards your drunkard title?

greenlantern

greenlantern

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

OA

This is a great addon for PVP, before the only items you got was from HOH chest and Jade/Amber for factions. Do you get these from GVG? I know that you get them in HOH, RA, and TA.

Jetdoc

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by LoKi Foxfire
Creme Brulee is a Run buff

...a run buff as in Red Bean Cakes (i.e. only work in town) or do they work in outside areas as well?

GUE Tech

GUE Tech

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2005

How do they drop? Is it one per win?

Jetdoc

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

From what I can tell, you get one medallion per win in either RA, TA, GvG or HoH.

It looks like the Creme Brulee works just like the Red Bean Cakes.

It looks like the Flask of Firewater works just like Rice Wine.

Anyone know if the Brulee and Flasks are sellable to the merchant for a similar price to the Red Bean Cakes/Rice Wine (i.e. 200g each)?

If so, that would mean that each medallion has a face value of about 7 gold each (i.e. 200g/30 medallions). I'm not sure how much sigils are selling for nowadays, but even if you save up for a sigil, I can't see these medallions having a true inherent value of more than 20g-25g each. A boon to PvPers, but definitely not worth farming if you're a PvEer.

GUE Tech

GUE Tech

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2005

So that's like 500 wins for a sigil. How long does it take to play 500 games?


Edit: Oh.. Thanks for the info Fender.

Fender

Fender

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ohio

XoO

Well, if the mods hadn't moved 2 previous threads on this...

6 medallions for arena flawless
5 medallions for 5 consecutive arena wins
15 for HA win
20 for flawless HA win
20 for GvG win
25 for flawless GvG win

Maybe this thread should stay here. hmmm?

vinegrower

vinegrower

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Song of the Forsaken

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Quote:
Originally Posted by GUE Tech
How do they drop? Is it one per win?
my understanding is that it depends on where you are. HA gives 15 per win or 20 for flawless. GvG gives 20 per win, 25 per flawless. Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetdoc
From what I can tell, you get one medallion per win in either RA, TA, GvG or HoH.

It looks like the Creme Brulee works just like the Red Bean Cakes.

It looks like the Flask of Firewater works just like Rice Wine.

Anyone know if the Brulee and Flasks are sellable to the merchant for a similar price to the Red Bean Cakes/Rice Wine (i.e. 200g each)?

If so, that would mean that each medallion has a face value of about 7 gold each (i.e. 200g/30 medallions). I'm not sure how much sigils are selling for nowadays, but even if you save up for a sigil, I can't see these medallions having a true inherent value of more than 20g-25g each. A boon to PvPers, but definitely not worth farming if you're a PvEer.
Why anyone would use these to get flasks or Creme brulee is beyond me. Most people are selling them for around 50g right now, but that is mainly because they are new. Once they drop in price, I see 20g being fair. That would make 1k faction work 1k gold. Equal to the cost of skills in PvE.

Kais Unduli

Kais Unduli

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Room V

No wonder I haven't gotten any of these yet, I keep losing after 3-4 wins lately. Hope I can big some up today.

Former Ruling

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Cedartown, Georgia

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kais Unduli
No wonder I haven't gotten any of these yet, I keep losing after 3-4 wins lately. Hope I can big some up today.
It isnt just rewarded for a HoH win (like holding favor win) but ANY win in HA on any of the maps.

So if you won 3-4 maps you'll have about 60 of them in your inventory..

LoKi Foxfire

LoKi Foxfire

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Florida

One Corgi Army {OCA}

R/Rt

The fact that you can get the Drunkard title while PvPing is a nice addition and the ability to farm up even more faction is cool. :]

Horseman Of War

Horseman Of War

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

The Cult of Doom

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i remember in the days when not just ANYBODY could get a sigil.

the main reason for a lack of good ppl to invite is because every one is in chief mode and no one is brave!

It really sucks how many one-person guilds there are1 and they think they are all bad with a Hall...

Halls are a dime a dozen these days... its sad really.

Solar_Takfar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

sad.... why? why not let people get what they want? this kind of elitism just sickens me. anyone who wants a hall should be able to have one, how will that affect your game? Getting a good guild running, that's the important part.

Jeff Highwind

Jeff Highwind

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Grenth's Rejects [GR]

R/Mo

I was planning to get the Sigil to sell for cash. Ironically enough, I sold about 5 flames for about 3 times I would've made from one sigil.

MMSDome

MMSDome

Raged Out

Join Date: Sep 2005

zomg what do sigils do?!?!


JK :P but do you get extras if you win halls?

Wolydarg

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

I Excentrix I [PuNK]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Highwind
I was planning to get the Sigil to sell for cash. Ironically enough, I sold about 5 flames for about 3 times I would've made from one sigil.
The money you made isn't from people wanting to collect 10 to trade for a sigil, it's from people wanting that 1000 faction so they can unlock stuff

Suedars

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

Illusion of Leetness [NERF]

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Will the sigils obtained from this still have the flags in the hall that you would get if you won the sigil in the HoH? Also, how long will these be available for?

LaserLight

LaserLight

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

La La Land

[NOVA]

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Unfortunately, this is just for the preview. "For the duration of our celebration..." in other words, during the specialness. This seriously sucks though, since it makes good sense to earn these rewards full-time. Perhaps Anet will make them stick later on?

TGgold

TGgold

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Flying Gophers

Rt/P

i'd like the alcohol and flames to stay....the sigils should go byebye. I think that they're really not a suitable reward...they'll be worth 0 if it stays :/

Voltar

Voltar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

My dog let's me crash at her place.

POB

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Horseman Of War
i remember in the days when not just ANYBODY could get a sigil.

the main reason for a lack of good ppl to invite is because every one is in chief mode and no one is brave!

It really sucks how many one-person guilds there are1 and they think they are all bad with a Hall...

Halls are a dime a dozen these days... its sad really.
and you youngins don't realize...we had to carry that rez orb up stairs for the entire map and we had to wear starter armor. bread was cheaper and we LIKED IT

git off my lawn ya crazy kids!


i don't think sigils are the hot item. they're kinda like...you get in a guild and you play and...you have a hall already...um...

the big thing if you're "farming-minded" is the faction, especially for unlocking the nightfall skills and scythe upgrades and stuff. that might not even be a big factor after this weekend. thiink people are just nutsos to check out D and P asap without the premade limits.

mrmojo

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2005

LLJK

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by LaserLight
Unfortunately, this is just for the preview. "For the duration of our celebration..." in other words, during the specialness. This seriously sucks though, since it makes good sense to earn these rewards full-time. Perhaps Anet will make them stick later on?
That would be weird. People who buy GW Gold could just buy up the flames and unlock everything.

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

I don't know why some people are freaking out about Sigils as a reward. Sigils have been utterly worthless for many months now. It is much easier and faster to farm Luxon or Kurz faction for 10k in gold than it is to get 500 medals for a Sigil which also only gets you 10k in gold, or less.

The complaints should be that Sigils are not worth nearly enough money for the time it takes to get 500 medals.

And no, I'm not complaining because I can't get them, I already have well over 500 medals. The point is that the time/effort/reward synergy is all out of whack to the detriment of those being rewarded.

Jeff Highwind

Jeff Highwind

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Grenth's Rejects [GR]

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolydarg
The money you made isn't from people wanting to collect 10 to trade for a sigil, it's from people wanting that 1000 faction so they can unlock stuff
Of course.
I just kill people with my assassin though to get faction. Really effective too since alot of people can't seem to use the Dervish or Paragorn right. >.>

MalVeauX

MalVeauX

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Solar_Takfar
sad.... why? why not let people get what they want? this kind of elitism just sickens me. anyone who wants a hall should be able to have one, how will that affect your game? Getting a good guild running, that's the important part.
What you call Elitism, I call Organization. This is not Diablo II. This is Guild Wars. Emphasis on Guild. Guild does not mean "simple thing you pick up and everyone has one." Guild means highly organized group of players working together. There isn't supposed to be a guild per weekend warrior. There's supposed to be big guilds, jammed with really good people, recruiting the best, etc. Then other guilds under that. A hierarchy. It's all part of what the word even entails.

Here's what I think about, when I think of a Guild:

- Group works together. There's only a few of them.
- Group is organized. Group fuels each other.
- Group decides to get more members, attract more attention.
- Group builds up the resources, the knowledge and the player base.
- Group founds their guild with said resources.
- Group has a good reason to ask for members, and deny it to others.
- Group can work hard to be on the ladder, making their guild better.
- Group had to work for it all.
- Only a group that is organized and working together will have this Guild.

If every kid out there can just leave a character in RA/TA on a script bot and auto-farm faction all day off good players just to build up masses of medalions in suddenly make a crop of guilds, then here's what you'll be seeing shouted at Droks:

"WTS GUILD HALL, CAPE, ETC, RANK 1000!!!! 5k!"

If that's elistist to you, then maybe you should go back to playing Iron Man on Battle.net?

vinegrower

vinegrower

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Song of the Forsaken

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I'm sorry that you feel that you need to be soo rude, Malveaux. But not everyone sees the game the way you do, and not everyone needs to play the way you see fit.

A guild is a group of like minded individuals. If 3 friends want to play together on the weekends and not try to be on the ladder, that is none of your concern. If one person wants to play throu PvE and do some RA without joining a guild, that is none of your business. If ArenaNet wanted everone to be in a major guild, they would not let you do anything without being in one. But as it you can do everything without being a member of a guild, or being the sole member of the guild.

Solar_Takfar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

And how does the weeked warrior guild affect you, really? if they are small and weak, then probably no one will even notice them. As vinegrower said, a guild is not all that stuff you said, it is just a group of friends, no law forces it to be professional or competitive. I am, myself, in a large guild, composed mostly of casual players, people who will play a few hours per week, get together, help each other. It's a game, it's meant to be fun. And yes, it IS elitist of you to think only "worthy" people should get guilds and guildhalls. As I said before, anyone should be able to have a guild; it's the quality of the guild that counts, really. So what if people want to be selling guilds around? if someone wants to buy one, fine; if no one buys it, they just fail.

Now, if people are botting, then it is a completely different story, and it has to be stopped and those players punished. But that's not a reason to stop people from being able to create guilds.

RobotMULE

RobotMULE

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

Mo/W

Has anyone been able to confirm whether or not the sigil you get from the collector works like a regular sigil you would get from the sigil trader, or if it puts your guild emblem in your hall?

(If you didnt know, if a guild leader uses a sigil that was earned by him/her self in HOH, you get the guild emblem in your hall)

RTSFirebat

RTSFirebat

The Humanoid Typhoon

Join Date: May 2005

UK

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

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Nice.

Lots of information here LoKi Foxfire. Its all been added to the event guide, thanks.

MalVeauX

MalVeauX

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

So has anyone tested the Flasks yet? Other than knowing they're alcohol, how good are they? Worth wasting the medals on?

Otherwise, what good are all these Medals... the faction can be nice, to speedy unlock all the skills you need (and runes, items, etc). But once that's finished, you have so many left... what to do?

I hope flasks are nice.
Someone who uses them, tell?

Cheers!

Jeff Highwind

Jeff Highwind

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Grenth's Rejects [GR]

R/Mo

I might have to buy the flasks just to see what getting drunk is like.

RobotMULE

RobotMULE

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

Mo/W

I've read the flasks are good liquor, IE only takes 1 to get drunk not 3.

However, it would still be cheaper to sell the medallions for 50g each and buy regular 200g ea ales (even though you need an extra 2, before you get drunk with the 3rd).

Some people have no problem paying a lot of money for the 1k faction for each balthzaar flame, but me and many other people dont need more faction.

The sigil for 500 medallions is not really a good deal, as you can sell 500 medallions for well over the value of a sigil from the sigil trader.

So basically selling the medallions is probably your best bet unless you want balthazaar faction.

UNLESS.. (see my previous post) the sigil is not a normal sigil like the one you get from the sigil trader. If I knew it would put a guild emblem in my GH, i'd get one.