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furikuriallday

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2005

I dont needs no stinkin guild!

N/Me

30 Jul 2006 at 08:06 - 1

Hello all. First thing I want to say is that I have been an average player in the Guuild Wars community since a bit after release (950+ hrs), albeit not a very prominent one. Dealt with the bugs, the nerfs, the economy crashes, the events, (not much pvp though

) But we all know this thread is'nt about me. It's about why I think that you should boycott the purchase of GW Nightfall (which I think is going to be badass BTW). First, do me a personal favor, and read a bit of this thread.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10012840

This girl's story touched my heart, so much that I think her story should not die in a flurry of posts, /signed by semi-concerned gamers, and a bit of an explanation by Gaile Gray herself. This is an actual issue that I think you should all know about. We all know Anet really doesn't give a sh*t about one person's inability to pla guildwars, hell, we don't pay monthly, so as soon as we purchase, they really don't have any incetives to keep us playing. But we can make Anet give a shi*t about what has happened to this person, whether or not it is actually cost-effectively feasible and all that bs shouldnt really matter, making yourself a better human being is. I know that my writing and persuasion skills are definitley not as good as most of you out here, but I do know that we can at least make Anet make a serious consideration as to providing a system to customize our GUI to our liking.

So, in conclusion, until I personally see a valid effort toward this step, I will forego my pleasure from GW:nightfall for the greater common good, hoping you will too. (S'cuse the corny moment.)

/Wholehearteldy, teary-eyed signed...

Also, some feedback would be appreciated, fell free to flame me. I would like to know what other's thoughts are on this.

(sorry fro the misspells, 4am here...)

Former Ruling

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Cedartown, Georgia

R/

30 Jul 2006 at 08:15 - 2

Quote:

We all know Anet really doesn't give a sh*t about one person's inability to pla guildwars, hell, we don't pay monthly, so as soon as we purchase, they really don't have any incetives to keep us playing.

That is the worst and most misinformed part of any post I've ever read on this board (minus the other psots that say the same thing).

So the rest of the words on this page lose all their meaning to me..

Captain Arne Is PRO

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

30 Jul 2006 at 08:24 - 3

Quote:

We all know Anet really doesn't give a sh*t about one person's inability to pla guildwars, hell, we don't pay monthly, so as soon as we purchase, they really don't have any incetives to keep us playing.

I'm buying the new game just because you said that.

Demesis

Banned

Join Date: May 2006

30 Jul 2006 at 08:24 - 4

I might sound like I'm flaming, but here it goes:

I don't care.

Why am I posting here then? Because I can. Guild Wars has corrupted my willingness to become a so called 'better human being'. There is simply no such thing.

This girl is in the minority. Tell me, how many disabled people play this game? I can tell you that not much of them even play this game. So why should Anet change the interface for just 1 disabled person?

Just because someone's disabled doesn't mean that they are right about everything. It also doesn't mean that they automatically deserve your sympathy either.

/My useless opinion.

Captain Arne Is PRO

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

30 Jul 2006 at 08:30 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demesis

This girl is in the minority. Tell me, how many disabled people play this game? I can tell you that not much of them even play this game. So why should Anet change the interface for just 1 disabled person?

a) It's the right thing to do.

b) She is not the only one upset with the stupid new interface.

Zakarr

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Finland

30 Jul 2006 at 08:36 - 6

At least with ATI video cards, it is possible to set game specific color profiles so you don't have to play with global monitor settings. Ati Tray Tools program can do that.

The cold fact is that most of the games will always follow majority of people. Minority will suffer, that can't be helped much. Good business can't please everyone. In this case the change would be pretty minor because it is about the interface style. They will give options if it is important enough. It is up to them.

Sorry, maybe I'm cold-hearted person but I won't boycott a great game because of one person or even because of minority. It is not my fault if some people aren't normal. Beside forum community is too little for boycotts anyway. You maybe get maximum couple hundred users from the one million community. That is not even a percent.

Barkroot Bonecrunch

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2005

R/W

30 Jul 2006 at 08:38 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demesis

I might sound like I'm flaming, but here it goes:

I don't care.

Why am I posting here then? Because I can. Guild Wars has corrupted my willingness to become a so called 'better human being'. There is simply no such thing.

This girl is in the minority. Tell me, how many disabled people play this game? I can tell you that not much of them even play this game. So why should Anet change the interface for just 1 disabled person?

Just because someone's disabled doesn't mean that they are right about everything. It also doesn't mean that they automatically deserve your sympathy either.

/My useless opinion.

Jesus Christ! Do you have a heart of stone or something. Being a sensitive individual, I was touched by her story. How would you like it if you had discapabilities or such? I mean we are all very lucky if we have no discapabilities and the least we could do is to help others. In the Bible it says to treat others as you would yourself. You are certainly not doing that.

Demesis

Banned

Join Date: May 2006

30 Jul 2006 at 08:39 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zakarr

Sorry, maybe I'm cold-hearted person but I won't boycott a great game because of one person or even because of minority. It is not my fault if some people aren't normal. Beside forum community is too little for boycotts anyway. You maybe get maximum couple hundred users from the one million community. That is not even a percent.

I agree with you. They don't even make a full number. 1/1,000,000 is 0.0000001%.

So we should change the interface because 0.0000001% of the community said so?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkroot Bonecrunch

Jesus Christ! Do you have a heart of stone or something. Being a sensitive individual, I was touched by her story. How would you like it if you had discapabilities or such? I mean we are all very lucky if we have no discapabilities and the least we could do is to help others. In the Bible it says to treat others as you would yourself. You are certainly not doing that.

Blame it on GW. I used to be a very nice person when I first joined, but from the amount of assholes/scammers/abusers I've met in there, I've simply lost all hope for humanity. I am the product of their evil.

Aejorii

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

SF, CA

W/

30 Jul 2006 at 08:46 - 9

Please for the love of god, change it back to the old UI. This new one is so god damn bright with flashy RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing colors.

Corinthian

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

30 Jul 2006 at 08:46 - 10

I say boo hoo. Life isn't fair.

Omega X

Ninja Unveiler

Join Date: Jun 2005

Louisiana, USA

Boston Guild[BG]

W/Me

30 Jul 2006 at 08:50 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zakarr

At least with ATI video cards, it is possible to set game specific color profiles so you don't have to play with global monitor settings. Ati Tray Tools program can do that.

The cold fact is that most of the games will always follow majority of people. Minority will suffer, that can't be helped much. Good business can't please everyone. In this case the change would be pretty minor because it is about the interface style. They will give options if it is important enough. It is up to them.

Sorry, maybe I'm cold-hearted person but I won't boycott a great game because of one person or even because of minority. It is not my fault if some people aren't normal. Beside forum community is too little for boycotts anyway. You maybe get maximum couple hundred users from the one million community. That is not even a percent.

The same goes for NVidia cards.

Urban_Nomad

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

3rd Era

R/Me

30 Jul 2006 at 08:51 - 12

I don't know if you've read the second post by Gaile on that forum, but it seems to me that they are considering this problem, at the very least.

furikuriallday

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2005

I dont needs no stinkin guild!

N/Me

30 Jul 2006 at 08:52 - 13

While i see most of you guys' viewpoints, i cant agree with those who say theyve been "corrupted" and you dont care. I'm pretty sure i'm a bigger asshole than most. I laughed when the planes hit the twin towers until i realized my history teacher was bawling like a baby. I just started thinking to myself, it's pretty obvious that nothing is relaly going to get changed. But maybe i can try to do something, whether misguided or not it is not the right thing to do to, not to ignore someone becuse they are a minroty and etc.

anonymous

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

30 Jul 2006 at 08:53 - 14

I will still buy nightfall just to get the new skills for pvp. My sympathy ends at friends and family. Im not the type of person who will help a stranger if it comes at any cost more than a minor annoyance to me. And to be honest, I dont really care if that makes me a mean person or whatever.

Xiaxhou of Trinity

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

CA

Scythes of Chaos [SoC], [PNOY] alliance guild forums: http://socguild.cjb.net

E/

30 Jul 2006 at 08:53 - 15

Former Ruling and Captain Arne all i have to say is LOL LOL LOL
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Ok, as to Demesis's post, a simple solution is for a UI choice in the upcoming nightfall and if so in a patch to the game. Another thing to Demesis's post: there is simply such a thing as a better human being. To say there is no such thing is to say that humans as a species is perfect in every aspect and does not need to 'better' themselves. Saying that there is no such thing as a better human being first of all implies inconsideration and then your view of a minority causing the majority to 'suffer' just proves it; and what does "Just because someone's disabled doesn't mean that they are right about everything" mean? I think that was a low blow and was unnecessary. Now "Guild Wars has corrupted my willingness to become a so called 'better human being'." WTH??? This means you should man up scams and scandals and shitted up crap, since that's the real world, If GW has affected you in such a way, STOP PLAYING IT.

Eet GnomeSmasher

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

In my head

30 Jul 2006 at 08:58 - 16

*sigh*

First of all, I feel for that girl. I'm not a cold hearted bastard.... well not that cold hearted... BUT boycotting a game because a single disabled individual can't play it just won't happen and shouldnt happen.

However, I'm not at all opposed to being able to customize and choose your own GUI.

Lastly, I have to say it's pretty crappy for you people to use that girl to further your own agenda. This isnt about her at all, you dont care about her so stop using her. You don't like the changes so you're just using that poor girl as an excuse to boycott and get your way. Pathetic.

Quote:

Originally Posted by furikuriallday

I laughed when the planes hit the twin towers

I rest my case.

Kareem

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2006

Minnesota

Guildless & Looking

30 Jul 2006 at 09:00 - 17

Eh once Quake Wars comes out, Im saying goodbye to Guild Wars. I'd have to agree though, the changes to the UI are just horrible. Just got done with an hours worth of PVP and my eyes are killing the sh*t outta me..

Quid Pro Quo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

30 Jul 2006 at 09:03 - 18

First off your dealing with this all wrong. The new interface comes with or withour Nightfall.

Her problem is a sad one indeed and Arena Net needs to help but insulting them and not buying their products is not going to solve anything.

Ghost Recon

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Mo/

30 Jul 2006 at 09:06 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demesis

So we should change the interface because 0.0000001% of the community said so?

For a start it is a bigger percentage that that, a lot bigger and we should be able to change it in options which one we want.

Eet GnomeSmasher

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

In my head

30 Jul 2006 at 09:06 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kareem

Just got done with an hours worth of PVP and my eyes are killing the sh*t outta me..

Dude...staring hours at a screen would strain any eyes regardless of what GUI it is....

Kareem

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2006

Minnesota

Guildless & Looking

30 Jul 2006 at 09:10 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eet GnomeSmasher

Dude...staring hours at a screen would strain any eyes regardless of what GUI it is....

Maybe for some..Before the change If I had a boring day and played lets say 8 hours straight, I'd feel just fine. Now I can't even play for an hour without feeling like crap.

Xiaxhou of Trinity

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

CA

Scythes of Chaos [SoC], [PNOY] alliance guild forums: http://socguild.cjb.net

E/

30 Jul 2006 at 09:12 - 22

Agreed. I won't boycott the game I'm getting nightfall. Heh my eyes are sensitive and with the new interface, I can't play as long without having some trouble with my eyesight. Well, I can endure, and the minority will be ignored. It may seem wrong that the new interface is causing such problems to players (disabled or not), but basically there is nothing more straightforward then "If you like the game buy it; if you don't then save your money and get some ice cream" mmmmm ice cream =]

Jenny's case is a sad one, and I still think GUI customization would be a good suggestion, but well it's not like disabled people should spend their time on the comp playing games so much, and same goes to regular people. Heck I wouldn't want to get fat and stupid in front of a comp at my age =]

Yanman.be

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

[ROSE]

A/

30 Jul 2006 at 09:13 - 23

Just because the new interface is bad ( yes, BAD ) , doesn't mean we should boycott Nightfall...because the interface will be there for CH1 and 2 users too...I'm pretty confident that A.net will give us options, IF they hear enough complaints about it. Maybe not within the next month (They're busy developing the next chapter! ) , but when they have time.

Ghost Recon

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Mo/

30 Jul 2006 at 09:13 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eet GnomeSmasher

Dude...staring hours at a screen would strain any eyes regardless of what GUI it is....

Not really those things they put infront of PC screens at work dim the colours so it is less strain on the eye's as you have to be working on it all day, so bright colors like this can really effect some people who play for long periods of time.

jmj102

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

W/Mo

30 Jul 2006 at 09:13 - 25

Am the only one who thinks the new gui is easier to read ? That said, it makes no difference if its the old or new one.

[KotL]Mjolnir

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

UK

W/Mo

30 Jul 2006 at 09:14 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkroot Bonecrunch

How would you like it if you had discapabilities or such?

That one comment there contradicts the hole of what you just said, he/she is showing her more respect by treating her like he/she would everyone else while you on the other hand whether you know it or not are treating her as a inferior.

As for this whole UI debate I have no problem with the new UI its not exactly an earth shattering change is it.

lightblade

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

The Etereal Guard

Me/Mo

30 Jul 2006 at 09:18 - 27

1. I'm very happy about the new interface.
2. Anyone on the internet have a chance to be fake
3. The girl is a minority
4. The new interface is actually darker than before
5. The girl have the ability to turn the gamma lower
6. The girl have the ability to turn the screen's gamma lower

Rest...I came up with all these in less than 10 seconds

7. She never said anything about her condition, what i mean is the scientific term for her condition, so we can take a look on wiki whether it really has anything to do with GW.
8. A boycott like this is not going to do anything good. I say, there won't be a boycott. Things like this is silly. Other than that, what percentage of player actually read this forum and read this thread?

ADD:
9. Her forum joining date is July 2006. If she really had over 900 hours of gameplay, she must already had an account long ago.

furikuriallday

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2005

I dont needs no stinkin guild!

N/Me

30 Jul 2006 at 09:20 - 28

My own agenda...lol. I actually dont have any qualms with the new GUI, i didnt even know people were complaining until i read a couple post here. Get over yourselves. It's not about you, it's not aobut the motherf*cking GUI, and it's defininitly not about me and my problems, it's just about right and wrong. I must have forgotten that 99% of all gamers are cynics.

Eet GnomeSmasher

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

In my head

30 Jul 2006 at 09:31 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost Recon

Not really those things they put infront of PC screens at work dim the colours so it is less strain on the eye's as you have to be working on it all day, so bright colors like this can really effect some people who play for long periods of time.

You just proved my point. If they have to put screen filters on work computers then obviously eye strain is a general problem. Staring hours at a screen WILL hurt your eyes over time, it doesnt necessarily have anything to do with the new GW interface.

Rok

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Guild Wars

30 Jul 2006 at 09:35 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by furikuriallday

Hello all. First thing I want to say is that I have been an average player in the Guuild Wars community since a bit after release (950+ hrs), albeit not a very prominent one. Dealt with the bugs, the nerfs, the economy crashes, the events, (not much pvp though

) But we all know this thread is'nt about me. It's about why I think that you should boycott the purchase of GW Nightfall (which I think is going to be badass BTW). First, do me a personal favor, and read a bit of this thread.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10012840

This girl's story touched my heart, so much that I think her story should not die in a flurry of posts, /signed by semi-concerned gamers, and a bit of an explanation by Gaile Gray herself. This is an actual issue that I think you should all know about. We all know Anet really doesn't give a sh*t about one person's inability to pla guildwars, hell, we don't pay monthly, so as soon as we purchase, they really don't have any incetives to keep us playing. But we can make Anet give a shi*t about what has happened to this person, whether or not it is actually cost-effectively feasible and all that bs shouldnt really matter, making yourself a better human being is. I know that my writing and persuasion skills are definitley not as good as most of you out here, but I do know that we can at least make Anet make a serious consideration as to providing a system to customize our GUI to our liking.

So, in conclusion, until I personally see a valid effort toward this step, I will forego my pleasure from GW:nightfall for the greater common good, hoping you will too. (S'cuse the corny moment.)

/Wholehearteldy, teary-eyed signed...

Also, some feedback would be appreciated, fell free to flame me. I would like to know what other's thoughts are on this.

(sorry fro the misspells, 4am here...)

So what was the point of you creating a new thread, why not just comment in the original one - oh, because your whining would of just been one more there and hardly noticed.

So don't buy the next chapter, hundred of thousands of other people will - you won't be missed by at least 99.9% of them.

Boycott, lmao.

Paperfly

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

30 Jul 2006 at 09:44 - 31

Quote:

Lastly, I have to say it's pretty crappy for you people to use that girl to further your own agenda. This isnt about her at all, you dont care about her so stop using her. You don't like the changes so you're just using that poor girl as an excuse to boycott and get your way.

Quoted for truth. I dislike the new interface, but it's not a deal breaker. Using this person's case as an excuse to make noise? Stupid.

Hard cases, as the saying goes, make bad law.

Demesis

Banned

Join Date: May 2006

30 Jul 2006 at 09:45 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by lightblade

1. I'm very happy about the new interface.
2. Anyone on the internet have a chance to be fake
3. The girl is a minority
4. The new interface is actually darker than before
5. The girl have the ability to turn the gamma lower
6. The girl have the ability to turn the screen's gamma lower

Remember that the girl is also mentally disabled.... She might not be able to change the gamma to a lower setting by herself! Lol.

Wait... I just made myself feel guilty... But tasteless humor nontheless.

Saix The Spartan

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

A/

30 Jul 2006 at 09:50 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demesis

I might sound like I'm flaming, but here it goes:

I don't care.

Why am I posting here then? Because I can. Guild Wars has corrupted my willingness to become a so called 'better human being'. There is simply no such thing.

This girl is in the minority. Tell me, how many disabled people play this game? I can tell you that not much of them even play this game. So why should Anet change the interface for just 1 disabled person?

Just because someone's disabled doesn't mean that they are right about everything. It also doesn't mean that they automatically deserve your sympathy either.

/My useless opinion.

I agree. I don't care...

Tyggen

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Mo/Me

30 Jul 2006 at 09:52 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kareem

Maybe for some..Before the change If I had a boring day and played lets say 8 hours straight, I'd feel just fine. Now I can't even play for an hour without feeling like crap.

The new GUI has too many white lines scattered everywhere, this forces the eyes to focus on new places constantly, thus straining the eyes. I have the same problem with the new GUI, now I can't play for very long without straining my eyes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lightblade

1. I'm very happy about the new interface.
2. Anyone on the internet have a chance to be fake
3. The girl is a minority
4. The new interface is actually darker than before
5. The girl have the ability to turn the gamma lower
6. The girl have the ability to turn the screen's gamma lower
7. She never said anything about her condition, what i mean is the scientific term for her condition, so we can take a look on wiki whether it really has anything to do with GW.
8. A boycott like this is not going to do anything good. I say, there won't be a boycott. Things like this is silly. Other than that, what percentage of player actually read this forum and read this thread?

ADD:
9. Her forum joining date is July 2006. If she really had over 900 hours of gameplay, she must already had an account long ago.

1. Your opinion, no comment.
2. True enough
3. Don't be so sure about that, the amount of people who don't like the new GUI seem to be split about 50/50. They just post in respective threads for or against it.
4. Yes, but there are more distracting features about it.
5. Gamma changes in the game doesn't work, the shading and thin white lines are still there.
6. Brightness changes to the screen does the same.
7. She never mentioned her condition having anything to do with her eyes, does that change anything? I have no disabilities, but my eyes still hurt from the new GUI.
8. Yes, a boicott is silly.
9. What does that have to do with anything? I've been playing GW since May last year, but I didn't join here 'till recently.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eet GnomeSmasher

Lastly, I have to say it's pretty crappy for you people to use that girl to further your own agenda. This isnt about her at all, you dont care about her so stop using her. You don't like the changes so you're just using that poor girl as an excuse to boycott and get your way.

I hope you don't think I'm using her to further my own agenda here, I have a strong distaste for sob stories they put in the news to change peoples minds, and I don't like others doing the same. I'm posting this to try and shed some light on the GUI.

All that said, I don't see any reason why GW shouldn't be able to give us an option to either customise the GUI as we see fit, or atleast swap between the new and old.

Saix The Spartan

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

A/

30 Jul 2006 at 09:53 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corinthian

I say boo hoo. Life isn't fair.

True that.

Quid Pro Quo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

30 Jul 2006 at 10:10 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corinthian

I say boo hoo. Life isn't fair.

Too bad this isn't life its a game. In a game, unlike life, things are suppose to be fair which is why such things as nerfing exist.

Ghost Recon

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Mo/

30 Jul 2006 at 10:19 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eet GnomeSmasher

You just proved my point. If they have to put screen filters on work computers then obviously eye strain is a general problem. Staring hours at a screen WILL hurt your eyes over time, it doesnt necessarily have anything to do with the new GW interface.

True but it is rather ugly compared to the old one IMO, but in a day or two people will get use to it and just get on with it but i still think we should be able to change it and even make are own GUI.

Vilaptca

Pre-Searing Vanquisher

Join Date: Jun 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

30 Jul 2006 at 10:20 - 38

I might have let this topic continue in the off-topic forum if it was a joke...but you're serious...and this isn't funny when its serious. Really, to boycott a whole expansion because of a interface change...

Seeing as this can only turn into a flame war, I'm closing this. If you want to boycott something, stand on the streets or chain yourself to a light poll, but don't make silly posts in our forum.

Vilaptca