Avatar of Grenth. The end of monks?

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ibex333
ibex333
Desert Nomad
#1
Avatar of Grenth
Whenever you use an attack skill, you also remove an enchant from target foe and deal cold damage.

It's late, and I'm sleepy... I'm probably missing or forgetting something..
But this avatar is quite disturbing to me. Basically it looks like the end of any monks using enchants, and especially boon/prot.
I cant imagine surviving as a monk, not to mention healing any of my teammates, when a crazed dervish in grenth's form comes up to me and starts spamming some fast cast skill removing my enchants faster than I can cast them... What, oh what are monks going to do???
twicky_kid
twicky_kid
Furnace Stoker
#2
Sythe skills are very conditional. Unless you use another type of weapon its not that strong.

I expect the avatars that trigger when using a skill to be changed to sythe attacks only.
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TwilightOblivion
Lion's Arch Merchant
#3
I dunno, but it could be really devistating if they comboed it with a fast weapon like daggers or something.
Mr Slashalot
Mr Slashalot
Academy Page
#4
well its say attack skill and i hate to give people ideas but repeating strike or i seen a few people spamming exhausting assasult.

i think avater are just there to ruin builds, look at Melandru what the hell are trapper going to do with that and if you add a wild blow and leaves trappers with no offence or defence
Khift
Khift
Lion's Arch Merchant
#5
With the 10 second recharge on Boon to keep it in check with Mysticism... yeah, Avatar of Grenth could very well signal the end of Boonprot.
prodigy ming
prodigy ming
Lion's Arch Merchant
#6
Who does the Dervish worship anyways? Why are the avatars of all the different gods giving them aid? I think instead of giving them these avatars... the avatars should be a elite skill for their respective profession.
K
Kijik Oni Hanryuu
Desert Nomad
#7
^^ huh?? anyway, yah the dervish are a nerfbat in themselves, like melandru avatar there goes the AoD combo..

the one main weakness of dervishes is interrupts tho, interupt their forms and their main enchants like intervention and they are done.
Sli Ander
Sli Ander
Wilds Pathfinder
#8
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Originally Posted by Mr Slashalot
i think avater are just there to ruin builds
Personally i think it would be cool to ruin builds. Maybe people would start being a bit more original instead of jumping on the latest premade wagon of death and destruction.
prodigy ming
prodigy ming
Lion's Arch Merchant
#9
While its good to be original, I think its good that premade wagon of death and destruction exists so people who lack the time/braincells/effort can remain competitive. While those that truely are original can smile at themselves and know they are speical : )
lyra_song
lyra_song
Hell's Protector
#10
Quote:
Originally Posted by prodigy ming
Who does the Dervish worship anyways? Why are the avatars of all the different gods giving them aid? I think instead of giving them these avatars... the avatars should be a elite skill for their respective profession.
They are like elementalists. They worship all of them.

i dont think your idea of avatars on respective professions any good, because its obvious that the avatars are attack based (not spell based) forms.
prodigy ming
prodigy ming
Lion's Arch Merchant
#11
ya i know my suggestions suck. it was bascially another rant to nerf the dervish
Omega X
Omega X
Ninja Unveiler
#12
Quote:
Originally Posted by prodigy ming
ya i know my suggestions suck. it was bascially another rant to nerf the dervish
Its a Beta Event, there are plenty of nerfs on the horizon.
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mega_jamie
Wilds Pathfinder
#13
its a well known fact (by me) that Ritus Spirit Lord Builds are effectively a boon/prot for your entire team. People will begin to look at Spirits / calls for protection rather than monk stuff, and even then a decent mesmer cna keep you shut down enough to save most prot enchants
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NinjaKai
Forge Runner
#14
Like it says target foe. I don't think the effect is applied to other enemies that get caught by your sycthe for example.
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Underworld Calling
Frost Gate Guardian
#15
There are a lot of healing skills out there that aren't enchantments....

I agree that there are alot of things to be nerfed, and yes I think that they sould nerf them (before nightfall).

It'll be interesting to see how monks will work after the release of nightfall, or if another profession will be able to heal too.

/wait
lightblade
lightblade
Forge Runner
#16
Oh...I'm thinking Avatar of Grenth with dagger attacks! Strips enchantments like XXXX. dead!
V
Venice Queen
Frost Gate Guardian
#17
There will never be an "end" to monks.
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merdle
Ascalonian Squire
#18
are we worried about monks in RA here or what people?

any monk should be able to kite and escape from a AoG while being healed by the other monk in their party and trying to keep their enchants up. Not to mention that if a monk has other enchants on themselves (guardian, prot spirits, RoF) those will get stripped way before boon prot does.

45 seconds later, the dervish changes back and can't change back for 120 seconds.

I think we'll be all right. lol
TheMosesPHD
TheMosesPHD
Jungle Guide
#19
Quote:
Originally Posted by Khift
With the 10 second recharge on Boon to keep it in check with Mysticism... yeah, Avatar of Grenth could very well signal the end of Boonprot.
Evasion, blind, blocking. Not to mention every build isn't gonna have room for a random avatar that works on and off every other minute.

@ the comment about other classes healing.
Both new classes have some random healing spells. The Dervish can do some great healing with Imbue Health (I think that's the name it was). It's Mysticism and it did about 260+ healing depending. I don't remember what the downside was, it might've been it removes an enchant or something, (which is just standard for a Dervish) but it costs 10 nrg and has a 1/4 cast, like Infuse Health, without the sacrifice of half your health. The recharge though I can't remember...but it's not much and recharges in plenty of time to get back before the next wave of a spike comes around.
twicky_kid
twicky_kid
Furnace Stoker
#20
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMosesPHD
Evasion, blind, blocking. Not to mention every build isn't gonna have room for a random avatar that works on and off every other minute.
If you are running a weapon wielding dervish you will have an Avatar. What you are fogeting is that a moral boost instantly recharges all your skills. Including the ones that are disabled. These skills are truely made for GvG. I don't think you are going to see a dervish without an Avatar in GvG.