What's the big deal with too much money in the game?
Make the dyes a fixed price, make runes a fixed price. A guy with more money can buy more dyes, good for them. He can buy more things for his guild hall.
But make it so that casual players like me can buy these exquisite items too.
How on earth amI to get 100k to get a silly guy in my empty guildhall anyways?
Why do we even need money sinks?
wankey
Zinger314
The only items a casual player needs is a max weapon and max armor. The armor costs only 7.5k, and a basic max-damage weapon costs anywhere from free (collector) to 5k (crafter).
You don't NEED anyone in your guildhall; go to a town. You don't NEED dyes.
You don't NEED anyone in your guildhall; go to a town. You don't NEED dyes.
Tainek
Because with no money sinks, the value of money would Drop, and drop , and drop, so eventually everything is 100K plus, and newbie joe is screwed
Think before you speak
Think before you speak
Jetdoc
t's basic economics. For example:
You have a bunch of cash. Someone is selling a Victo's Axe. You want it.
Someone is willing to buy it for 50K. You message the seller and offer him 200K. Why? Because you have a bunch of cash with nothing else to spend it on.
This trend continues, and now everyone that sells a Victo's Axe will demand 200K.
That's the problem - without gold sinks, there would be a ton of players with that excess cash and, as Tainek said above, that gold would become less and less valuable. That translates into the selling price asked by other players for their rare items to skyrocket, as they realize that players have the excess gold to spend.
You have a bunch of cash. Someone is selling a Victo's Axe. You want it.
Someone is willing to buy it for 50K. You message the seller and offer him 200K. Why? Because you have a bunch of cash with nothing else to spend it on.
This trend continues, and now everyone that sells a Victo's Axe will demand 200K.
That's the problem - without gold sinks, there would be a ton of players with that excess cash and, as Tainek said above, that gold would become less and less valuable. That translates into the selling price asked by other players for their rare items to skyrocket, as they realize that players have the excess gold to spend.
Shield
The big deal about having too much money in circulation is inflation. If there are not enough gold sinks, everyone slowly accumulates cash, until they can charge and pay extremely high prices for goods and services. Then the new player is shut out even further than you think you are.
Traders actually keep prices down for dyes and runes, by providing a global, 24x7 market for those items. Before those traders existed you had to hope you were in the same district at the same time as a supplier, just like weapon mods are today.
Traders actually keep prices down for dyes and runes, by providing a global, 24x7 market for those items. Before those traders existed you had to hope you were in the same district at the same time as a supplier, just like weapon mods are today.
The Herbalizer
Why the hell do you even want to pay 100k for a guild hall person???
Is owning guild hall services crucial to your guild wars experience and will vastly benefit how you play???
Is owning guild hall services crucial to your guild wars experience and will vastly benefit how you play???
GUE Tech
Keeping in step with poster #2, you question should actually be..
Why do we need money at all?
Why do we need money at all?
Reza
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Because with no money sinks, the value of money would Drop, and drop , and drop, so eventually everything is 100K plus, and newbie joe is screwed
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Underworld Calling
Its supply and demand..
if supply is high, demand is low and the price goes down
if supply is low and demand is high, the price goes up
if supply is high, demand is low and the price goes down
if supply is low and demand is high, the price goes up
Malice Black
you all complicate it too much
simple answer is...rich ppl need something to spend their money on otherwise they just buy&sell the same shit to each other over and over again...happens all the time in the sell forum
simple answer is...rich ppl need something to spend their money on otherwise they just buy&sell the same shit to each other over and over again...happens all the time in the sell forum
Swinging Fists
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Why the hell do you even want to pay 100k for a guild hall person???
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Originally Posted by wankey
But make it so that casual players like me can buy these exquisite items too.
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Casual gamers can easily get the best armor and weapons (not necessarily the skins, but functionality) to be on an even playing field with someone with the rarest skins and FoW armor.
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How on earth amI to get 100k to get a silly guy in my empty guildhall anyways?
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Doomlord_Slayermann
A small bit of inflation is healthy for an economy, but without the gold sinks there is far too much of it. This is primarily due to the eBayers that flood the game with their ill-gotten gold. If you could eliminate them, the sinks wouldn't have to be as drastic...
I wish I could just take my mesmer and sit in the troll caves waiting in ambush... that would be so much fun...
I wish I could just take my mesmer and sit in the troll caves waiting in ambush... that would be so much fun...
majoho
Money sinks are only needed because some people don't enjoy playing the game, people that just want to play have no need for them.
Katari
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How on earth amI to get 100k to get a silly guy in my empty guildhall anyways?
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Preist of Balthazar, and Storage are the most usefull, and neither are that expensive, especialy if you have help paying for them.
Eet GnomeSmasher
The fact is that the economy is and always will be screwed for some people. There are those who prefer everything to be ridiculously high priced because they're the hoarders and farmers who play the game like it's the stock market. They are the ones who complain whenever certain items are made more available or cheaper and scream that "the economy is now ruined"
Then there are those who dont give a crap about silly ingame wealth and just buys what he needs because everything is too expensive. Green items, which were supposed to be so that casual players could have decent weapons, can cost up to 80k at times. The current economy is screwed to them because items are so over inflated.
So I laugh when people scream about how the economy's ruined. It's only their perception that they're yelling about.
Then there are those who dont give a crap about silly ingame wealth and just buys what he needs because everything is too expensive. Green items, which were supposed to be so that casual players could have decent weapons, can cost up to 80k at times. The current economy is screwed to them because items are so over inflated.
So I laugh when people scream about how the economy's ruined. It's only their perception that they're yelling about.
Rodderz
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Because with no money sinks, the value of money would Drop, and drop , and drop, so eventually everything is 100K plus, and newbie joe is screwed
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Lynxius
Having money is usefull.
For: buying candy canes.
buying Max armour(not necessarily 15k kind, droks will be enough)
buying this and that skill.
Buying this and that weapon.
Giving to your friends as tokens of gratitude.
Bribing people.
Paying for sex.
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Ignore those last two. xD
For: buying candy canes.
buying Max armour(not necessarily 15k kind, droks will be enough)
buying this and that skill.
Buying this and that weapon.
Giving to your friends as tokens of gratitude.
Bribing people.
Paying for sex.
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Ignore those last two. xD
Rodderz
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Bribing people.
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Lynxius
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hahahaha. Are we still talking about gold?
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But yeah, money isnt at all necessary, most money needed for fair decent armour and fair decent weapons can be acquired trough simple playing, no running no farming.
Basically you can buy just enough to survive trough normal gameplay, following the plot as it should be followed(this means no running).
Those extras are simply for more ambituos and patient, devoted players.
floppinghog
lol at this thread
Jetdoc
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Then there are those who dont give a crap about silly ingame wealth and just buys what he needs because everything is too expensive. Green items, which were supposed to be so that casual players could have decent weapons, can cost up to 80k at times. The current economy is screwed to them because items are so over inflated.
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For example, imagine that you've played along in the game and have amassed a nice sum of 10-20K.
Now, you have a nice collector's staff, and would like to add a +5 energy staff head to it, to get the most utility out of it.
Scenario #1 - Gold sinks exist. You can spend about 3K on the staff head, add it your staff, and go merrily on your way.
Scenario #2 - Gold sinks do not exist. Inflation has gone wild. You want to buy one from someone, and they say that they'll sell it to you - for 50K. You're out of luck, and have to wait until you find one on a staff, which may take you a month or two of random drops.
...and you're saying that gold sinks and the economy only affect the uber-rich?
Griff Mon
I don't see giving money to another player for an over-priced item as a gold sink.
I see standing on a square trying to get a meaningless title while your gold gets drained away as a gold sink.
It has to go to the game via the merchants to be a gold sink.
I see standing on a square trying to get a meaningless title while your gold gets drained away as a gold sink.
It has to go to the game via the merchants to be a gold sink.
makosi
Take FoW armour for example:
Each set costs you roughly 1 million gold with a few variants here and there. In my GW lifetime, I have bought 7 full sets <boasts > meaning around 7 million of my gold has been 'destroyed' and never to be seen again in the economy.
Suppose I didn't buy any FoW armour sets, I'd have 7 million in the bank to play around with. That means that if I want a green item and a beginner player wants the same green item, I have money to throw about and I'll get it. The beginner doesn't stand a chance so the developers implemented gold-sinks to even out the economy and prevent massive wealth margins between the players. A beginner in GW would be like a homeless guy person in Macys - he's got no chance.
Each set costs you roughly 1 million gold with a few variants here and there. In my GW lifetime, I have bought 7 full sets <boasts
> meaning around 7 million of my gold has been 'destroyed' and never to be seen again in the economy.Suppose I didn't buy any FoW armour sets, I'd have 7 million in the bank to play around with. That means that if I want a green item and a beginner player wants the same green item, I have money to throw about and I'll get it. The beginner doesn't stand a chance so the developers implemented gold-sinks to even out the economy and prevent massive wealth margins between the players. A beginner in GW would be like a homeless guy person in Macys - he's got no chance.
Age
The real reason they have goldsinks is to attrack the MMO type of players to PvE in GW to sell more copies of the game.It is one of the hardest to make gold in as I heard from someone in game.It is great marketing is what it is.There really shouldn't be a enconomy in GW as it is a competive game for PvP.
Tripped
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Suppose I didn't buy any FoW armour sets, I'd have 7 million in the bank to play around with.
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anyways this is a pathetic thread
shardfenix
because of ebay
=HT=Ingram
The guild hall services are nice. but in reality not necessary. Our guild had enough people with a ton of extra gold to buy them all. and in our alliance we are the only one with them all. So everyone in the alliance uses our hall for the convenience. but in all reality its not that big a deal.. you can go to any town and do everything we do in GH. Its just the convenience is all. and if people have the gold and the guild is large enough its not that big a deal to dump around 600K for everything... But yea if all you are is just you, then yea.. I can see that as being a problem...
The Guild Treasurer NPC is something I have been trying to get added for a long time to allow for donations to services and upgrades to halls... That way when you got a few k to drop give it to the treasury and when there is enough it buys the service automatically... BUt again. Its not a necessity... by any means...
The Guild Treasurer NPC is something I have been trying to get added for a long time to allow for donations to services and upgrades to halls... That way when you got a few k to drop give it to the treasury and when there is enough it buys the service automatically... BUt again. Its not a necessity... by any means...