It is possible beat the game with henchies? - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

breaking-benjamin

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

02 Aug 2006 at 01:24 - 1

Hello to all ^^

First off all, I will say that I'm an Sin. (Assasin)

Well, my problem, as most of sins on this game have is..... I CAN'T GET A DAMN GROUP FOR MISSIONS!

Then, I was wondering if is possible to beat the whole game with just henchies? of course, I mean Factions.

Anyway, have someone tried to beat game with henchs?

Thank you, any help is appreciated.

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

02 Aug 2006 at 01:29 - 2

Yes, it is.

Demesis

Banned

Join Date: May 2006

02 Aug 2006 at 01:34 - 3

My assassin has a protector of cantha title. I used to have the same problem getting into a group, so I start my own group. Now with the protector title, people don't really hesitate whether to allow me into a group because having a protector title means that you have really good coordination skills with your team members in order to get masters bonus.

Crimson Ashwood

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Australia

Angels of Cthulhu

N/

02 Aug 2006 at 01:34 - 4

^^ yeah, helpful.

It is quite possible. If you're experiance frustraition with any set mission you'd really need to look at the henchies you take, there's certainly an ideal set for certain difficult missions. So, if you're finding a mission too hard, which will often be the case, look at the henchies you're with and change the line up.

Likewise, it's benificial to look at your Assassin build from mission to mission.

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

02 Aug 2006 at 02:07 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demesis

My assassin has a protector of cantha title. I used to have the same problem getting into a group, so I start my own group. Now with the protector title, people don't really hesitate whether to allow me into a group because having a protector title means that you have really good coordination skills with your team members in order to get masters bonus.

Of course, if you have a Protector title, what exactly do you need a group for?

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

02 Aug 2006 at 03:04 - 6

Gyala would be the hardest part IMO. But if you went on the Kurzick side you wouldn't have to touch it unless you wanted the Protector's title.

Across The Battle

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

Jersey

W/

02 Aug 2006 at 03:24 - 7

Accually Racthoh, because of the glitch Gyala is quite easy with proper aggro control and patience. I henched it just the other day with little problem.

Hidden in the Mist

Banned

Join Date: May 2006

02 Aug 2006 at 03:25 - 8

Back way for Gyala Hatchery is the easiest way to get the Master Reward but it takes a longer time.

CHUIU

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

Team Legacy

N/

02 Aug 2006 at 03:25 - 9

Yeah ... before they fixed the glitch.

Demesis

Banned

Join Date: May 2006

02 Aug 2006 at 04:46 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinger314

Of course, if you have a Protector title, what exactly do you need a group for?

I have absolutely no idea

Sometimes I play old missions over again.

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

02 Aug 2006 at 05:06 - 11

It could be possible although I am to impaient for Henchies wouldn't work for me.

TadaceAce

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

02 Aug 2006 at 05:15 - 12

Factions is pretty easy to hench, prophecies is a little tougher due to lack of infusion.

Hardest part in factions has gotta be vizunah square, you know when the henchmen make a run for the other group (straight into the wall) and leave you fending for yourself.

Reks

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

R/P

02 Aug 2006 at 05:38 - 13

I had my assassin hench the entire Factions campaign since yelling out "Assassin LFG" would probably get me nowhere.

So definitely possible.

Zazoo

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Johannesburg

Boere Mag

W/Mo

02 Aug 2006 at 05:45 - 14

I hanched the entire Prophecies campain when I got frustated with Pugs, so I can confirm that it is possible.

NOT easy but possible.

Ole Man Bourbon

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Atlanta

GONG

W/E

02 Aug 2006 at 05:58 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

Yes, it is.

Dude, just play the elite missions. They are pretty intense, and fun as hell. But they do take time.

Bottom line, they're fun PvE, period.

If you want to do that, play something like Hitman: Blood Money.

Otherwise, just dive in and try to learn why you hate society so much: there are answers out there (here). It's rewarding in a sick and twisted way.

icedragon981

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

At my computer

Teh Nine [lll]

N/

02 Aug 2006 at 06:34 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ole Man Bourbon

Otherwise, just dive in and try to learn why you hate society so much: there are answers out there (here). It's rewarding in a sick and twisted way.

Agreed.

gamemagus

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Isle of Meditation

Xen of Onslaught

Mo/Me

02 Aug 2006 at 07:16 - 17

Anything is possible if you put your mind to it.

Demesis

Banned

Join Date: May 2006

02 Aug 2006 at 07:22 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ole Man Bourbon

BTW, don't hench through the game. That's the pussiest, gayest thing ever.

If you want to do that, play something like Hitman: Blood Money.

Otherwise, just dive in and try to learn why you hate society so much: there are answers out there (here). It's rewarding in a sick and twisted way.

The pussiest gayest thing ever are the touch rangers and the D/Mo's.

But playing the game with henchies are fine. If there are too many idiots, don't get mad, get henchies.

Ishmaeel

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

02 Aug 2006 at 07:53 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by TadaceAce

...Hardest part in factions has gotta be vizunah square, you know when the henchmen make a run for the other group (straight into the wall) and leave you fending for yourself.

Right, when the local team gets too close to the north wall of the square below, foreign henchies lose their minds. It is possible to keep them at your side by staying away from the cliff and being constantly on the move, though.

However, I found that VS is (at least for the local party) much easier if you can get two parties of full henchies (i.e. no real person on the other side). I attempted the mission with my canthan Rt with full henchies on both sides and the mission could almost be a breeze. We cut through the first big battle like a light-saber through butter -- no casualties, no 50% below health and I suspect neither Togo nor Mhenlo took even a single hit.

We were also doing pretty well in the second big battle, until an Afflicted Ranger maimed me with the friggin Marauder's Shot. I had to log off because I did not want to lose my Survivor track.

Now, either they eased down on the diff level of this mission or there is something to be learned about the quality of henchies vs PUGs.

wilebill

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mt Vernon, Ohio

Band of the Hawk

W/Mo

02 Aug 2006 at 08:01 - 20

!. Carry a no-attrib longbow to initiate combat when you are with henchies. And sometimes afterwards. My first encounter with Jade Brotherhood Knights left me very dead. I got a little 9-11 no attrib longbow, and opened fire with that. To my amazement, the henchies took them all down easily while I stood safely at range plinking them with tiny plinks.

2. Experimenting with different hench lineups is a very good idea. Sometimes the mage is a good idea to keep things stirred up, other times the archer would be better. The interrupter is always a good idea!

3. If you really get desperate for PUGs, go A/R and advertise as a Critical Barrage Archer. At least it gets you through the missions, and the overall damage per minute is sometimes higher than with daggers. I henched Raisu Palace as a Critical Barrage Archer, worked fine. If you do CBA, get a pet just for fun! Who said you couldn't have fun?

4. When you are in a group wielding daggers, don't die! Watch out for attacks on your own casters, and protect them. This will make you popular with the monk.

Ishmaeel

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

02 Aug 2006 at 08:17 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by wilebill

!. Carry a no-attrib longbow to initiate combat when you are with henchies. And sometimes afterwards. My first encounter with Jade Brotherhood Knights left me very dead. I got a little 9-11 no attrib longbow, and opened fire with that. To my amazement, the henchies took them all down easily while I stood safely at range plinking them with tiny plinks.

Rabbits. Plinky-ty-plink-y-plink.

Actually, you don't need to carry a bow to order the henchies to gang up on a specific target. You just need to stand close enough to the target (keeping it out of your aggro circle) and "call" without attacking.

It used to be CTRL-SHIFT-SPACE prior to one of the recent updates. Recently they added a "suppress action" key binding which has undone this key combo. If you bind the suppress to the SHIFT key, you can use this again.

aron searle

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

02 Aug 2006 at 08:39 - 22

I hope they fix that gyla bug soon, its one of the more unique missions thats been turned into another mob fest because of people exploiting it.

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

02 Aug 2006 at 09:34 - 23

honestly take all ranged type hench (archers, blood, vile, illusion, etc... type henchies and carry a longbow or flatbow. my war got through the entire game with hench doign that. so did my sin before i deleted it.

henchies unfortunately > 90% of pugs. now if only i could get hench for fow or uw id be fine.

Ashleigh McMahon

Site Contributor

Join Date: Apr 2005

North East England

WoTU[Warlords of the Underworld]

Mo/Me

02 Aug 2006 at 10:25 - 24

True. VS Is MUCH easier with 2 henchy teams. That's like 15 henchys following your call. + 3-4 healers, (Mhenlo, a rt a healer hench and then the other teams).

I've never done VS with anything but Henchys, with the exeption of a guild group.

Ashleigh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ishmaeel

Right, when the local team gets too close to the north wall of the square below, foreign henchies lose their minds. It is possible to keep them at your side by staying away from the cliff and being constantly on the move, though.

However, I found that VS is (at least for the local party) much easier if you can get two parties of full henchies (i.e. no real person on the other side). I attempted the mission with my canthan Rt with full henchies on both sides and the mission could almost be a breeze. We cut through the first big battle like a light-saber through butter -- no casualties, no 50% below health and I suspect neither Togo nor Mhenlo took even a single hit.

We were also doing pretty well in the second big battle, until an Afflicted Ranger maimed me with the friggin Marauder's Shot. I had to log off because I did not want to lose my Survivor track.

Now, either they eased down on the diff level of this mission or there is something to be learned about the quality of henchies vs PUGs.

Ishmaeel

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

02 Aug 2006 at 10:37 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashleigh McMahon

...That's like 15 henchys following your call.

If I observed correctly, other group of henchies do not follow your calls but do their own thing. They were actually more efficient than my own henchies, since I was too busy worrying that an Afflicted Assassin would sneak up and bite me in my surviving ass so I was forgetting to call targets sometimes.

Am I correct in guessing you also had a alles-hench experience as a foreigner? If so, this could be our secret to the VS. Don't tell anyone and we'll sell it in Kaineng for 100K+ectos.

arkadiusz

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guardians of the Stars [GOTS]

02 Aug 2006 at 10:53 - 26

almost everything in prophecies and factions is doable with henchmen, if you don't mind not getting all the bonus objectives/master ratings. the one exception being shiro, and even he might be doable if you are one of the classes who get a high-damage spell from kuuna.

vizunah/unwaking waters is actually *easier* with henchmen on the other side, because if there is no controlling human there, they will generally follow you and attack closest targets. they won't follow calls, but just having the added firepower where you want it is usually enough.

Raxxman

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

TEOC

W/N

02 Aug 2006 at 11:50 - 27

Problem with saying just grab a pug and play is it's freaking hard for certain classes to get picked up.

Monks by a long long way have it the best.
Mesmers and assassins have it hard as the average PUG will rate you by their own standards and wont have used either class to its fullest.

Ninna

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Northeast USA

Guilded Rose

Me/

02 Aug 2006 at 12:12 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by arkadiusz

almost everything in prophecies and factions is doable with henchmen, if you don't mind not getting all the bonus objectives/master ratings.

you can get Masters with all henchies in some missions

I did the Boreas Seabed mission in 15minutes with henchies and got Masters credit

Someone mentioned that Henchies are not infused
- Henchies were updated to be infused many months ago

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

02 Aug 2006 at 12:22 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ole Man Bourbon

Dude, just play the elite missions. They are pretty intense, and fun as hell. But they do take time.

Bottom line, they're fun PvE, period.

Well... Can't & wont, as I can't hench them. Also, if what I've heard about them is true (e.g. that you MUST use necrotic traversal & rebirth to get past some hinders) then it doesn't sound like missions I want to do at all.

Anyway, I've henched my way through Cantha to Raisu Palace, where I get bored out of my skull and can't motivate myself to continue*, but I know other people who've henched all the missions, so it is possible. Not necessarily easy, but possible.

All missions in Prophecies are easily henchable. Actually many are easier with henches than with humans. Getting all the bonuses with henches is a bit trickier, but possible, without exploiting/trickery (I'm Protector of Tyria).

* I really hate Raisu Palace mission - the only difficulty is that the mission is tightly timed, and the sheer cheese of that just annoys the hell out of me. I used to think Vizunah Square was the worst mission in all of GW**, because it randomly pairs you up with some yahoo***, but I found that if I play at night the second team is usually a hench team, so now I say Raisu Palace is the worst.

** Best mission in all of GW is Thunderhead Keep. It's challenging and battlefield tactics, notably positioning and target selection, are vital; you can't just target closest and cycle skills.

*** No, not all random players are yahoos, some of them are rock-solid. Getting a yahoo in the opposite team in Vizunah Square is a kiss of death, though.

majoho

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Denmark

02 Aug 2006 at 12:48 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by arkadiusz

almost everything in prophecies and factions is doable with henchmen, if you don't mind not getting all the bonus objectives/master ratings. the one exception being shiro, and even he might be doable if you are one of the classes who get a high-damage spell from kuuna.

Did it with my W/- with henchies on the first try... I've tried it again a couple of times later on and now somehow I just can't do it again.

Rathcail

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

02 Aug 2006 at 12:52 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by arkadiusz

the one exception being shiro, and even he might be doable if you are one of the classes who get a high-damage spell from kuuna.

Oh he's possible alright.
Certainly not a recommended way to get it done. PUGs in that case are way more likely to succeed.

[riVen]

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Refuge From Exile [RFE]

02 Aug 2006 at 20:58 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by TadaceAce

Factions is pretty easy to hench, prophecies is a little tougher due to lack of infusion.

Henchies ARE infused in all missions after Iron Mines. In the Iron Mines mission, they become infused when you hand the essence to the Seer. Invalid argument.

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

02 Aug 2006 at 21:00 - 33

Finally mustered bloody-mindedness to do Raisu Palace (Mark of Pain is the key!) and then Shiro himself wasn't too hard to hench:

The key was to 1) keep him blinded (had to switch to rit secondary to have constant Shadowsong) and 2) kill the summoned constructs immediately they showed up.

Christoffer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Centralia, Washington

Angelz of Destruction

W/

02 Aug 2006 at 21:03 - 34

Henchies FTW!

Mustache Mayhem

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

BEN

R/N

02 Aug 2006 at 21:39 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

Getting a yahoo in the opposite team in Vizunah Square is a kiss of death, though.

Hey nice job on shiro Numa =] yeah I used to think that Vizuna was hench only until I took my ranger through and actually had a forever dead necro on the other side ride my coattails all the way through the mission.. barrage totally owns in that mission