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Ephes Dammim

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Norfolk, VA

04 Aug 2006 at 00:12 - 1

WoW player here and one of the things that kind of makes things a little boring for me is that GW gives you your own private area when leaving main cities and districts. That is fine for lower levels and picking your 2 professions, but not after that. It's just well.. boring.

Something that I think would be cool is if private areas were almost eliminated from the game. Have all areas public, so everyone can play together at once.

In WoW, you can run all over the place and meet all sorts of people, not just in main cities.

GW is supposedly about teamwork, so why not make the world of GW totally public? It's a lot easier to form alliances and friends when we can see everyone all the time. Know what I mean?

There's nothing better than seeing reinforcements walk up and help defeat the enemy when your group is getting slaughtered.

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

04 Aug 2006 at 00:14 - 2

2 letters: No. I dont even want to say why.

MegaMouse

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

south mississippi

Warriors Of Melos WOM

E/N

04 Aug 2006 at 00:21 - 3

In WoW you have a rather llarge installed base of players that expect to be able to go anywhere but in guild wars its more about teamwork. To put it in another term you only want one person to drive a car at a time not 2. Guild Wars is more of a skilled game than WoW in that you have to become good with a limited amount of skills and players to get the job done,the system is set up that way to prevent players from breezing through the game then quiting. Now I do agree that there should be a couple areas that can be deesignated as "open" areas where anyone can come and go and no-one is safe from attack. These just need to be planned carefully and can make a great addition to the guild battles. Have these areas from new maps outside of the arenas and open to anyone willing to take a chance.

MegaMouse

Vilaptca

Pre-Searing Vanquisher

Join Date: Jun 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

04 Aug 2006 at 00:28 - 4

Theres a reason we aren't paying $15 a month

ElRey

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Outside your window

First Degree [FiR]

W/Rt

04 Aug 2006 at 00:35 - 5

To quote Arkantos.

2 Letters. No.

GW is fine like it is.

Venice Queen

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Washington, DC

A Most Excellent Guild [DUDE]

Mo/Me

04 Aug 2006 at 01:11 - 6

No. Never. Ever.

draxynnic

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2005

[CRFH]

04 Aug 2006 at 01:33 - 7

There are some good reasons for it.

The first advantage with private areas is that you don't need to worry about someone else taking out your target before you get there, which is something I've heard can be a problem in more traditional MMOs. Also, because instances of the world don't need to be 'persistant', you don't need to worry about respawns appearing on top of you - except, of course, for those creatures for whom appearing on top of you is their tactic (but in this case, once you clear them out, they aren't going to mysteriously reappear until you change maps).

In discussion of having reinforcements appear mid-battle: No, you don't get that. On the other hand, you don't need to worry about being trained by the monsters some other group couldn't handle, either. What happens to you is entirely your responsibility and that of your party - no one is going to save your bacon apart from you, but if anyone is going to screw you up, it is, with the exception of the odd multi-party mission, going to be someone you chose to come with in the first place - and if they show themselves to be a griefer, you can put a stop to it by leaving them behind next time.

Overall, the way I think of it is that GW is more story-based than WoW. The impression I get with WoW is that you're given the world, and there are various things going on in the world, but it isn't in quite the same sense of flux as the GW world (and the Warcraft world during WC3 and FT) - and even then allowing quests in the persistent world leads to a little sillyness (I remember being told a story about an NPC who's been informed of his wife's death thousands of times and still doesn't believe). I don't think anyone's suspension of disbelief would be maintained if, on doing a mission or a major quest, they meet someone else on the way back who's done the same... "Oh, sorry, we just killed the frost drake, but if you wait a few minutes he'll come back for you as well."

And that brings up the other issue with persistant worlds: Although Guild Wars hasn't made as much use of this as it was originally going to, it is possible to do nasty things to the terrain at points in the game. WIthout instancing, you'd need to either leave the terrain static, or you'd need to have the terrain reforming at regular intervals (which, depending on the terrain piece in question, makes things even sillier than respawning monsters)

Nevin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

04 Aug 2006 at 01:40 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by draxynnic

There are some good reasons for it.

The first advantage with private areas is that you don't need to worry about someone else taking out your target before you get there, which is something I've heard can be a problem in more traditional MMOs. Also, because instances of the world don't need to be 'persistant', you don't need to worry about respawns appearing on top of you - except, of course, for those creatures for whom appearing on top of you is their tactic (but in this case, once you clear them out, they aren't going to mysteriously reappear until you change maps).

In discussion of having reinforcements appear mid-battle: No, you don't get that. On the other hand, you don't need to worry about being trained by the monsters some other group couldn't handle, either. What happens to you is entirely your responsibility and that of your party - no one is going to save your bacon apart from you, but if anyone is going to screw you up, it is, with the exception of the odd multi-party mission, going to be someone you chose to come with in the first place - and if they show themselves to be a griefer, you can put a stop to it by leaving them behind next time.

Overall, the way I think of it is that GW is more story-based than WoW. The impression I get with WoW is that you're given the world, and there are various things going on in the world, but it isn't in quite the same sense of flux as the GW world (and the Warcraft world during WC3 and FT) - and even then allowing quests in the persistent world leads to a little sillyness (I remember being told a story about an NPC who's been informed of his wife's death thousands of times and still doesn't believe). I don't think anyone's suspension of disbelief would be maintained if, on doing a mission or a major quest, they meet someone else on the way back who's done the same... "Oh, sorry, we just killed the frost drake, but if you wait a few minutes he'll come back for you as well."

And that brings up the other issue with persistant worlds: Although Guild Wars hasn't made as much use of this as it was originally going to, it is possible to do nasty things to the terrain at points in the game. WIthout instancing, you'd need to either leave the terrain static, or you'd need to have the terrain reforming at regular intervals (which, depending on the terrain piece in question, makes things even sillier than respawning monsters)

Or PKers or KSers (Player killers and kill stealers)

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

04 Aug 2006 at 01:51 - 9

The "everything is instanced" is the single biggest selling point of GW for me. I played EQ2 on a role-playing server, and there is nothing which breaks immersion worse when you're out on an epic quest than having to wait for the Lord of Penultimate Evil to respawn because those other random guys milling around just killed him. Well, except possibly when the other random guys are talking about how great Justin Timberlake is.

Instancing FTW.

Ephes Dammim

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Norfolk, VA

04 Aug 2006 at 02:06 - 10

Thanks for the nifty replies. The main purpose for opening up the whole world to everyone is making it easier to meet people and form alliances. I've met some really nice people in WoW in a much faster period of time than in GW becuase of all the open areas.

It is a lot easier to form a group in GW, but I've also noticed a bit more hostility when forming groups in this game. That is unfortunate, but it does seem to happen quite a bit.

Oh ya...Someone mentioned kill stealers. It doesn't really matter in GW because you get very little XP from killing creatures. You get the real XP by completing missions and intances, so IMHO that statement is pretty null and void. I pretty much just kill only the enemies I have to and run through the missions super fast.

Thanks for the replies. I hope to see some of you out there.

CHUIU

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

Team Legacy

N/

04 Aug 2006 at 02:15 - 11

Whats that? Add monthly fees, spawn campers, kill stealers, and make the game more like a game its not (WoW)? YES! LETS DO IT! Deface everything Guild Wars strives to be!

TheLordOfBlah

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

California

None

Mo/N

04 Aug 2006 at 02:19 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ephes Dammim

Thanks for the nifty replies. The main purpose for opening up the whole world to everyone is making it easier to meet people and form alliances. I've met some really nice people in WoW in a much faster period of time than in GW becuase of all the open areas.

It is a lot easier to form a group in GW, but I've also noticed a bit more hostility when forming groups in this game. That is unfortunate, but it does seem to happen quite a bit.

Oh ya...Someone mentioned kill stealers. It doesn't really matter in GW because you get very little XP from killing creatures. You get the real XP by completing missions and intances, so IMHO that statement is pretty null and void. I pretty much just kill only the enemies I have to and run through the missions super fast.

Thanks for the replies. I hope to see some of you out there.

Very little experience? Unter that logic, powerleveling shouldnt work as it is.

Too many people in one zone at once makes getting anywhere and getting anything done easy. And what about places like FOW/UW/Tombs?

Ephes Dammim

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Norfolk, VA

04 Aug 2006 at 02:30 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHUIU

Whats that? Add monthly fees, spawn campers, kill stealers, and make the game more like a game its not (WoW)? YES! LETS DO IT! Deface everything Guild Wars strives to be!

I think you missed my point.

I'm not saying turn the game into WoW. I'm just saying to impliment one of the bonus' of it. Forget monthly fees man. I can't afford the game right now.

That's why I'm playing GW. :P

If you're talking about boss type spawn camping, then yes it does exist, but stealing the kill is a rareity.

Besides, The vast majority of players will ask if someone is waiting for the spawn. If the answer is yes, then the first person is allowed the first hit. However, most of the time they form a group.. share the quest and both waste the boss getting full credit.

About the regular kills, like I said before, It doesn't really matter because you get so little XP from killing monsters. If you are killing every single monster, then you're wasting time IMHO.

Ephes Dammim

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Norfolk, VA

04 Aug 2006 at 02:36 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLordOfBlah

Very little experience? Unter that logic, powerleveling shouldnt work as it is.

Too many people in one zone at once makes getting anywhere and getting anything done easy. And what about places like FOW/UW/Tombs?

If you're worried about powerleveling, then raise the level cap.

It's ridiculously easy to level in GW, so what's the point in powerleveling? A person can get to level 20 in no time at all. I've gotten to level 20 in under 15 total hours, and I'm sure there's people that have done it in less time then that. It's called grinding my friend

Grab some henchies and roll through the quests and blam.. ur lvl20

I mean you can get to lvl 10/11 without even going to the first coop mission area. Just do all the side quests. Particularly at the beginning.. Do every quest for every class before you choose the secondary profession. Easy as pie

fallot

I'm the king

Join Date: Nov 2005

Aussie Trolling Crew: Grand Phallus and Chairman Pro Tempore

04 Aug 2006 at 03:43 - 15

You're playing the wrong game.

Sli Ander

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

Deep in Maguuma, by the Falls

Liberators of Agony

Mo/R

04 Aug 2006 at 03:53 - 16

Instancing has its ups and downs: it forces team work, but then there is more resentment towards certain players when looking for a team.
It does negate the problem of kill stealing and things like that. But while I enjoy being able to go out in the middle of nowhere to my "special spot", I'd also like to wander around with other people. So it would be nice if they could toss in a couple of pvp areas where you can stake out your territory and defy all comers.
Other than that, I think instances should be kept as a major component because they keep the game unique and simple. But tossing out a couple of noninstanced areas isn't going to hurt anybody(as long as they're nonessential to the story) and will add some variety to the areas and gaming.

actionjack

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Kali

W/E

04 Aug 2006 at 03:53 - 17

"Instanized World" is a word you should look up.

For such thing, (I take you want a public join exploration area), you need to make mob spawnable, which, I don't really see it happening. There are many other points to why GW can not do as you ask, which I am sure many other will tell you that.

The more important question is "Why should GW be like WoW?" There are just many MMO out there, why should GW be like one of them? Enjoy GW for what it is and the differnt game play it offer to you. If not, there are many other free grinding traditional MMO out there (including free WoW... if you know what I hint), which could better fix your fix.

Or you can try to suggest a palusible way of adding such public hunting area to current GW's enviroment with out throwing off balance, like some who had tried before.

IrishCatholicNewYorker

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

FL (from Long Island NY)

Rage Against The Dying [RAGE]

Me/W

04 Aug 2006 at 04:43 - 18

I think it would be kinda cool if you could challenge people to fight in public areas and others could spectate. You could challenge them to a fight then they could accept or decline... and others could watch the fight and maybe place bets. Just a thought

Misc Merik

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

America

Fugitives of Kurzick (Fok)

W/

04 Aug 2006 at 04:50 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by IrishCatholicNewYorker

I think it would be kinda cool if you could challenge people to fight in public areas and others could spectate. You could challenge them to a fight then they could accept or decline... and others could watch the fight and maybe place bets. Just a thought

dont know why but with the large number of people for and against builds like iway ect I see this happening in public chat.

Decline= turn off local
Accept= leave it on and comment to the random people

good times

In reference to the op GW isnt for you if you dont like having your own copy of the world. I happen to enjoy not being pked and having my loot stolen from me because kid mcwiggles is lvl X and will do whatever he pleases.

TheLordOfBlah

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

California

None

Mo/N

04 Aug 2006 at 06:20 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ephes Dammim

If you're worried about powerleveling, then raise the level cap.

It's ridiculously easy to level in GW, so what's the point in powerleveling? A person can get to level 20 in no time at all. I've gotten to level 20 in under 15 total hours, and I'm sure there's people that have done it in less time then that. It's called grinding my friend

Grab some henchies and roll through the quests and blam.. ur lvl20

I mean you can get to lvl 10/11 without even going to the first coop mission area. Just do all the side quests. Particularly at the beginning.. Do every quest for every class before you choose the secondary profession. Easy as pie

You missed my point entirely. My point was that with killing monsters, the experience adds up and it is a good way to level up. Instead of doing a quest o get that last 100 experience, i'd rather go and kill something instead of starting some long quest.

RTSFirebat

The Humanoid Typhoon

Join Date: May 2005

UK

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

04 Aug 2006 at 06:26 - 21

Never going to happen.

We already have private areas, they are called Guild Halls.

shardfenix

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

Il Power Overwhelming Il [HaX]

04 Aug 2006 at 10:00 - 22

If areas in Guild Wars weren't "instances", runners wouldn't be needed as things would by dying all over the place. Also, it makes it much easier for you to do quests when everything in the area is dead.

Maybe there should be SOME areas that are dynamic in later expansions.

xiaotsu

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Doomlore Shrine

Just Us Gamers [JUGs]

R/

04 Aug 2006 at 13:53 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by fallot

You're playing the wrong game.

/agree

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

04 Aug 2006 at 14:22 - 24

While i dont agree that the whole game should become persistant, i will agree that GW could use some more areas for player interaction OTHER than towns.

That being said. We need static exploration zones.

Lets call them...oh i dunno.... PARKS~

Imagine basically a map where bad guys spawn, where weapons and skills can be used, but it functions like a town. You only see your own armor in full detail.

you can build and break parties, you can sit there and AFK, theres no map travel though, no loot or gold dropping, no PK/KSing.

The problem lies in, the number of players who would lag the place.

RTSFirebat

The Humanoid Typhoon

Join Date: May 2005

UK

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

04 Aug 2006 at 14:43 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

The problem lies in, the number of players who would lag the place.

Nah, just make them limited like currently towns are, maybe 100 per "Park" zone, and then create more as you go along. Basically we need places the size of Ascalon City, Lion's Arch and K-Centre, but no NPCs, just respawning mobs

Eldin

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

America. How about you, commie?

Fellows of Mythgar [FOM]

R/Mo

04 Aug 2006 at 14:50 - 26

Leave GW the way it is. It was never meant to be one of those "grind" MMORPGs. Private areas allow for prevention of killstealing/looting, and allow for more realism. If a party is on a quest, a specific npc may spawn for the quest. If everybody played on one world, it would be messed up, having this npc around that is no use to your group, and some areas such as SF were not meant to be full of people.

I would like the idea of parks, though.

Carinae

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Inside

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

04 Aug 2006 at 15:08 - 27

I wouldn't mind if cities were non-instanced, essentially having only 1 district per each town. But, not the combat areas outside towns.

Dumbassturtle

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

04 Aug 2006 at 17:09 - 28

Hmm though it would be nice to have some non required areas for all to go and kick around, that creates a lot of load on servers and the need for more of them (i.e. more cost to anet). I believe the instanced focus of gw is one of the reasons that keeps it from needing a monthly fee.

Vangor

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

04 Aug 2006 at 17:53 - 29

Great, 100 people in a zone killing the 100 monsters in a zone all of which are using their abilities in your view, farming greens, with chests spawning and respawning around, running through areas or attempting to steal quest kills and drops when others are already around. Uninstanced worlds are inherently combative, in every MMO I have ever been in, starting back with UO, there was always a very simplistic system that wasted a lot of time and turned into confrontations more often than not. Whether you were locking down spawn rooms for experience, or covering quest mobs, or running in to steal them, or farming loot items, the fact is it generally took twice as long for you to get what you wanted.

There is almost no thing inside any nearby outpost that is not advertised for grouping. Want to farm for greens, groups do this often enough, or you can advertise yourself and get enough people. Doing a quest, these are done a great deal of the time in any outpost. Need to run somewhere, set up a run group or get a professional runner. Complete the mission, well those are very obvious since everyone in those mission zones are always looking for group.

Then, after that, you do not call for help, you do not have to worry about others, you do not need to involve yourself in their quests or get them involved in your own, get kills stolen or wait in line, or hope for a part of that group that is already camping what you want, or compete with other groups for kills.

There is absolutely no reason instancing should not happen within WoW, it is idiotic to get ganked while exping off of monsters, and I did this to people a great deal because I was 60 far too quickly. It is also stupid to see ten different people cutting through bandits in a mine, trying for the same mineral veins,t he same chests, the same quest npcs, even groups would compete, when you could set out as a group of five from town immediately into your own private cave to do your quest. Instead, only dungeons are instanced, and these create huge problems much of the time for resetting, when there are a thousand areas out in the world which could as easily be instanced to everyone's satisfaction.

The only thing you'd kill would be a necessity to travel constantly and being attacked by monsters you do not care about and inevitably slowed, or have to fight in a useless pvp battle, since those with any real worth are instanced already as much as GW is.

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

04 Aug 2006 at 21:46 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vilaptca

Theres a reason we aren't paying $15 a month

This is what I say.

samifly

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Girl Power [GP]

Mo/Me

04 Aug 2006 at 21:52 - 31

I think it would be nice to have parks like lyra said. I was thinking why not make the isle of nameless (or something similar) a park where you can meet people?

blademan176

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan MacLaren

W/Mo

04 Aug 2006 at 22:33 - 32

I think there are certain areas that would be good public, maybe really BIG areas such as a place in the desert or shiverpeaks, but otherwise I think the game is great how it is and shouldnt be changed in that respect. Especially since I'm pretty sure the private areas increase performance.

BahamutKaiser

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Heightened state of mind.

P/W

04 Aug 2006 at 23:52 - 33

You may as well ask for Zeldas Link to be replaced with Cloud Striffe.

Instanced based gameplay is what seperates this from an MMO, and the gameplay thus is different, for people who don't like the MMO environment.

If your a WoW player, than keep playing WoW, don't come here and play GW expecting WoW. GW > WoW, stop trying to push flaws onto a better game.

David Lionmaster

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

above the floor and below the celing

Fortunes Favored

05 Aug 2006 at 01:25 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ephes Dammim

If you're worried about powerleveling, then raise the level cap.

It's ridiculously easy to level in GW, so what's the point in powerleveling? A person can get to level 20 in no time at all. I've gotten to level 20 in under 15 total hours, and I'm sure there's people that have done it in less time then that. It's called grinding my friend

Grab some henchies and roll through the quests and blam.. ur lvl20

I mean you can get to lvl 10/11 without even going to the first coop mission area. Just do all the side quests. Particularly at the beginning.. Do every quest for every class before you choose the secondary profession. Easy as pie

Basically you want GW to be an mmorpg. GW is a CORPG. Doing the things you say is basically against all that is Guild Wars, and would drastically change the game to a point were its just a generic mmo. If you want something like WOW, then go do one of the free mmorpgs like runescape or tibia, because Guild Wars seems like its not the game for you.

gamecube187

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

05 Aug 2006 at 03:20 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ephes Dammim

If you're worried about powerleveling, then raise the level cap.

It's ridiculously easy to level in GW, so what's the point in powerleveling? A person can get to level 20 in no time at all. I've gotten to level 20 in under 15 total hours, and I'm sure there's people that have done it in less time then that. It's called grinding my friend

Grab some henchies and roll through the quests and blam.. ur lvl20

I mean you can get to lvl 10/11 without even going to the first coop mission area. Just do all the side quests. Particularly at the beginning.. Do every quest for every class before you choose the secondary profession. Easy as pie

Wow, this game really isn't for you if you are suggesting that.

Have you ever been to prophecies? The quests there give so little that you might as well just go kill creatures than do quests to level. Even killing things like the trolls outside droks gives more experience than the missions.

And the level cap is there for a reason. It's not level that makes you good in GW, its acually skill. It's so you can't rely on being 50 levels higher than all the enemies to kill them.

Plus this is supposed to be a NO GRIND GAME. Higher levels would make grind and the game wouldn't be as fun. Now I'm not saying there is absolutly no grind at all in this game, because there is. It's just grind you don't have to do. You don't have to farm to get money or certain greens. You don't have to make 1 character of each class and bring them all the way through every chapter getting all the titles along the way. Those are just things you can do if you want to, unlike trying to get to the highest level possible...

Not to mention that this would cause a monthly fee most likely. GW is and should always be a no monthly fee game, like it is. As soon as it gets one (if it ever does) then I will be the first one to quit because of it. I do not belive in buying a game just to install it and then having to pay monthly to accually pay the game. Just a waste of money to me.

Now if you mean have no group limits in 1 or 2 areas that are for fun (like a super pvp or something) then I'm all for it.

Poison Ivy

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

Toronto

Hopping

Mo/A

05 Aug 2006 at 03:24 - 36

Worst idea ever

Satai Katalya

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2006

anywhere in GW

ONL Our Name is Legion

Mo/Me

05 Aug 2006 at 03:28 - 37

I see what your all getting at. I love the world of GW I like the way it plays. And it would certainly be interesting to have another form of gameply involved in it just as there are varied forms of pvp. We already have loot designations so people stealing from you isnt going to happen unless you let it time out.
The accept decline format would work (activate throw glove) and battle it out if you really fancy showing off.
It could be a way of using up extra bits of the maps. And possible accesible only to lvl 20 minimum or whatever.
Instead of slating be open minded, try to improve what you have got after all isnt that the point?

Ephes Dammim

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Norfolk, VA

05 Aug 2006 at 03:35 - 38

Man, I make a simple suggestion and be greeted with hostility and closed minds. What a shame.

I never said get rid of instances. I said get rid of private arenas. Meaning the areas when exiting main towns and such with your team.

Right now, you have every team exiting towns at the same time and each team has it's own arena. I'm saying turn those into public areas where everyone can go and whatnot. sure... they'll have to respawn stuff, but that doesn't hurt anything. making areas public encourages socializing with other people.

Don't change instances. Instances are key to the story line and should stay the way they are. Hence the "enter mission" button. You are entering your team into it's own instance of a particular mission and should stay as is.

Hope that clears things up a little.

Ephes Dammim

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Norfolk, VA

05 Aug 2006 at 03:39 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by gamecube187

Now if you mean have no group limits in 1 or 2 areas that are for fun (like a super pvp or something) then I'm all for it.

that is EXACTLY what I mean.

Well minus the PVP part. Keep it PVE, but no team limits everywhere except instances. However, a super PVP area would pwn

Jin Of Stealth

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

Elite Misfits United

N/Mo

05 Aug 2006 at 03:47 - 40

Gamecube, ur wrong! I will be the first one to quit if there were to be monthly fees....sadly enough. I agree that having areas like mmorpgs is a waste. ANet can't keep the game monthly-fee-free if they did that. It takes high matenence to keep the servers from lagging to heck. Get used to the game the way it is WoW user.

As said by our vets, "If you don't like it, don't play it."