Expanding Guild Wars.

Lawnmower

Lawnmower

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/R

I had a strange experience. I was doing a mission in cantha(don't remember which one).

It was the one where you had to meet up with Master Togo for the first time, and help him fight off the infected of the plague.

There where not a single individuel in my district. But apparently there was another team(not in my party... another party in the same instance as me)... but they where korean or something. It was funny seeing them trying to communicate with me. They understood "hi". But that was pretty much that.


The thing is that this game has gotten sooooo fleshed and spread out its crazy. Right now a ton of outposts are empty. Even in prime time, so finding people for certain missions are very hard.

With GWNightfall the game will expand 1/3 once again. Meaning that the current playerbase will be to spread thin.


If this continues, we have to remove american, european and korean districts and only have international districts. There are simply not enough room for the current playerbase. There are not enough players. The game is simply getting to big. And what about chapter 4? Jesus.

Either this needs to happen or GW has to give the game away for free so popularity can remain substantial. It's obvious since the game is not even in the charts anymore( http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/world...ml?sid=6155185 )

We all know that GW was a commercial and utter failure in Singapore, Korea and Japan. But so what?

There are still other regions where there is the possibility for massive growth?

China is insane. Everyone over there is getting broadband. And while there are many people over there who play WoW(over 2-3 million in china alone) most people hate it, because they pay for WoW per minute, and the lag and servers are really really crap over there.

So it would be an awesome way for Guild Wars to get momentum over there. just bundle GW and Factions in one, and sell it. no monthly fee and an asian theme is bound to help the game get some instant succes. It could help the game a long way!
And what about places like North Africa? India? Southeren America? and Russia?


Im really concerned that Nightfall will spread us all to thin. We have discussed this since before the release of the original GW, but the horrors and prophercies really are starting to show now. Or maybe its because that people have just stopped playing this game?

One thing is for certain - We need MANY more people to keep this game alive. Whatever the cost... Or else this game will be dead in 1 or 2 years.


Maybe its time that ArenaNet hook up with Fileplanet to give a free 5 day trial demo or something. The game has a bad reputation as the poor mans MMO... Its really to bad:-(

Clusmas

Clusmas

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Brisbane, Australia

n/a

There's a solution. Add a 'LFG' menu, that would be global across the game.

For example, someone goes to Vizunah Square, opens the menu and clicks 'create party' at this stage he's the only person in it. Then ANYONE in any district of any area (ok maybe some restrictions) who has the 'LFG' menu open can browse through a list and see he's creating a team.

You could add some luxuries to the menu to such as a short 'description' set when the leader creates, just like a guild message.

I think everyone (pvp and pve alike) would find a system like this particularly useful.

As for a release in China.. That's quite complicated. The government (or 'establishment' - whatever you can call it :P) there has imposed strict laws surrounding online games, including limiting the time you're legally allowed to spend playing them.

If blizzard have got around them though, I don't see why Anet/ncsoft can't. It's one thing they are probably working very hard on even as we speak.

Yanman.be

Yanman.be

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

[ROSE]

A/

Add option to always spawn in international districts. That way they'll be more crowded etc.

Lawnmower

Lawnmower

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Clusmas
There's a solution. Add a 'LFG' menu, that would be global across the game.

For example, someone goes to Vizunah Square, opens the menu and clicks 'create party' at this stage he's the only person in it. Then ANYONE in any district of any area (ok maybe some restrictions) who has the 'LFG' menu open can browse through a list and see he's creating a team.

You could add some luxuries to the menu to such as a short 'description' set when the leader creates, just like a guild message.

I think everyone (pvp and pve alike) would find a system like this particularly useful.

As for a release in China.. That's quite complicated. The government (or 'establishment' - whatever you can call it :P) there has imposed strict laws surrounding online games, including limiting the time you're legally allowed to spend playing them.

If blizzard have got around them though, I don't see why Anet/ncsoft can't. It's one thing they are probably working very hard on even as we speak.
YES!!! I vote you for president!!!!


I'd hit that in a minute. Great Idea. Amazing excecution. Could only be accomplished by a man who had both the skills of a Ninja and a Pirate. Arrrr...

Demesis

Demesis

Banned

Join Date: May 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawnmower
YES!!! I vote you for president!!!!


I'd hit that in a minute. Great Idea. Amazing excecution. Could only be accomplished by a man who had both the skills of a Ninja and a Pirate. Arrrr...
Ninjas and pirates eh? Arrrr.....

Eviance

Eviance

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Eh I forget... o_O

Biscuit of Dewm [MEEP]

R/

Well guys in truth I think GW is looking to expand their fanbase and have more players with each chapter, but that will only happen if they play their cards right.
You aren't going to find many people left in Cantha due to the lack of PVE content. Those that are still in Cantha are struggling to get groups OR are only there for elite missions and to sell their wares.
I think this is now just a wait and see type of thing. Many saw Factions as a bomb even though it sold so many copies... The reason it sold so many copies is because Prophecies was such a huge success and we were expecting something similar with Factions... Granted there are a few other reasons it sold so many but in truth the majority bought were by those who loved Prophecies (most of these people are currently disappointed at shelling out the $40-50 for Factions).
Nightfall may bring back some population but I think a goodly portion of players will be sitting back and waiting to see how Nightfall will pan out before rushing out to get a copy this time. If it bombs you can expect the amount of players to decrease rather rapidly.

King Kong

King Kong

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

W/R

Mission outposts should be international districts, Factions is the worst for it :-( I only get to play late at night, and got stuck on Unwaking Waters for 2 bloody weeks!!!

Demesis

Demesis

Banned

Join Date: May 2006

I always have faith that people will always come back to Tyria. The total population have slowly been seeping back to Tyria since Factions. It's easier to find a PUG in THK than Unwaking Waters.

Rebirther

Rebirther

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

England, UK

Clan Dethryche

Mo/Me

The only problem with a new expansion is that unlike other MMORPGs which build of existing worlds and say add an extra dungeon or a couple of new cities, a new chapter in GW is a new world entirely and because of this the "human factor" comes into play, we like things new and a vast majority of the fanbase of a previous chapter will most likely move to the new world, since their characters have already finished the previous chapters there is no reason for them to go back.
The population of a previous chapter declines but new inflow of characters do come in every so often, and most commonly you'll find older players taking their new characters through the previous campaign, and in this case such as the Ritualist and Assassin through Tyria.

You also got to remember that each new chapter is not an expansion, but rather a new game since ANET has made it clear that it can be played without previous chapters, although a great option to catch new players however, the drawback is that it will also bring older players from the previous chapters too so that accounts for the decline in population.

I'm thinking that the strategy for them to keep the population stable is that if new players buy a new chapter and like it, they'll be more incline to buy the previous chapters and so on.

With the current business model that is employed, the decline in players in some worlds is inevitable, especially since there is hardly any "replay" value for characters that have already completed a certain mission, quest or reached a certain destination. (except on helping friends, colleagues and guild mates).

You'll find that most of the GW Population will be in PvP and this is the area where the population throughout all GW chapters will most likely remain stable and constant.

Alias_X

Alias_X

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Clusmas
There's a solution. Add a 'LFG' menu, that would be global across the game.

For example, someone goes to Vizunah Square, opens the menu and clicks 'create party' at this stage he's the only person in it. Then ANYONE in any district of any area (ok maybe some restrictions) who has the 'LFG' menu open can browse through a list and see he's creating a team.

You could add some luxuries to the menu to such as a short 'description' set when the leader creates, just like a guild message.

I think everyone (pvp and pve alike) would find a system like this particularly useful.

As for a release in China.. That's quite complicated. The government (or 'establishment' - whatever you can call it :P) there has imposed strict laws surrounding online games, including limiting the time you're legally allowed to spend playing them.

If blizzard have got around them though, I don't see why Anet/ncsoft can't. It's one thing they are probably working very hard on even as we speak.
GREAT IDEA!

Clord

Clord

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

Finland

Victory Via Valour

Quote:
Originally Posted by Demesis
Ninjas and pirates eh? Arrrr.....
Ninja pirate. How it can even be effective combination?

xXa1

xXa1

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

this is a really serious issue that anet needs to address, to many mission towns are empty. the game population has dwindled and what's worse is the new chapters are scattering people further apart.

if anet wants the pve side of the game to flourish, one thing it needs to un-nerf is farming, the only real high end content for any mmorpg or whatever it is this game is pretending to be.

Demesis

Demesis

Banned

Join Date: May 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Clord
Ninja pirate. How it can even be effective combination?
It'll be a new class in chapter 5. The Pirinja! Half pirate, half ninja! HIYAAAR!

Cjlr

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

SMS

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by xXa1
if anet wants the pve side of the game to flourish, one thing it needs to un-nerf is farming, the only real high end content for any mmorpg or whatever it is this game is pretending to be.
Uh... The only kind of farming that got nerfed was the kind where you were a bot.

Aerian_Skybane

Aerian_Skybane

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

House of Caeruleous [HoC]

R/E

Well to be completely honest, even as of recent, I have not had any issues getting into groups for missions. The ONLY issue I have ever had with mission entrance was early Gylala Hatchery, and the last two Fire Island missions. But then again, the last two missions in Tryia Ive ALWAYS had a problem getting into groups.

Honestly said I find no problems the OP has presented, and I look forward to each expansion that Anet produces.

Speaking of popularity of GW, where the hell did you hear it was a failure in Korea? Last I checked with my Korean freinds, its huge there.

Sorry to rain on your parade, but I just dont really see the problem. And I play quite regularly and at Odd hours of the day (I live on East Coast USA). And on top of that, my guild is small and never on when I am.

brokenmonkey

brokenmonkey

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

CA

[UC] Uber Crue

W/

this game rockkkssssss just joing ur home districts..... aand what are u talking about korea was killin us last night or somthing in Ha and they took favor noo fow for me... and All those places well they can play too .. there in international districts.. and if u ever need a group in The granite citadel theres lots of Bots running ing international lol DESTROY THEM ANET!

YoNkErS 2k5

YoNkErS 2k5

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

New York, USA

Ominous Empire (Oe)

Quote:
Originally Posted by xXa1
this is a really serious issue that anet needs to address, to many mission towns are empty. the game population has dwindled and what's worse is the new chapters are scattering people further apart.

if anet wants the pve side of the game to flourish, one thing it needs to un-nerf is farming, the only real high end content for any mmorpg or whatever it is this game is pretending to be.
dude ur my hero, this is wut ive been saying. if anet keeps nerfing everything, how will ppl make money? this makes them discouraged, and they say forget this game, its gay. i know a couple ppl who stopped playing cuz farming became nerfed. its a double edged sword, for example if they unnerf solo uw farm, ppl who want fissure armor [there are a lot] would be happier to know ectos easier to buy in bundles and possibly cheaper and EASIER then before and the farmer would be happy cuz well, its possible. lol

awesome sauce

awesome sauce

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Quote:
Ninja pirate. How it can even be effective combination?
Apparently you guys have never heard of chris the ninja pirate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weebl_and_Bob
Quote:
Chris the Ninja Pirate - A mushroom-shaped character who is an expert at martial arts, and who speaks and acts like a pirate. First appeared in "Yarr." He wears an eyepatch in normal clothing, but has been wearing a black ninja costume (which Sensei Carrotu thinks is "very sexy") in recent episodes.

Across The Battle

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

Jersey

W/

I am not an expert on this by any means, but I know China has a lot of laws prohibiting what thier people are and arent allowed to see. A lot of stuff would have to be changed to fit different areas of the world like that. Essentially having to remake the game for individual areas. However I could be wrong on this.

Caethas Turan

Caethas Turan

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

Auckland, New Zealand

Reapers of Oblivion [Ruin]

-coughs- Empty huh?

I play at odd times, well for the rest of the world but for me they're normal. So I play when America is sleeping. And in American Districts.

Took my Mesmer through Factions, never had a problem forming a group, finding others to go along on quests, missions, whatever I was doing.

I have a friends list filled with Koreans, this is huge over there and on some of the smaller islands in the world.

How is this the ruin of GW? I must have missed a point somewhere

Also the LFG is a good idea!

Siddious

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Knights Of The Rising Sun

Quote:
Originally Posted by Clusmas
There's a solution. Add a 'LFG' menu, that would be global across the game.

For example, someone goes to Vizunah Square, opens the menu and clicks 'create party' at this stage he's the only person in it. Then ANYONE in any district of any area (ok maybe some restrictions) who has the 'LFG' menu open can browse through a list and see he's creating a team.

You could add some luxuries to the menu to such as a short 'description' set when the leader creates, just like a guild message.

I think everyone (pvp and pve alike) would find a system like this particularly useful.

As for a release in China.. That's quite complicated. The government (or 'establishment' - whatever you can call it :P) there has imposed strict laws surrounding online games, including limiting the time you're legally allowed to spend playing them.

If blizzard have got around them though, I don't see why Anet/ncsoft can't. It's one thing they are probably working very hard on even as we speak.
I love that idea! Nice one!

EternalTempest

EternalTempest

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

United States

Dark Side Ofthe Moon [DSM]

E/

I love the LFG flag.

But I've also thought about the spreading thin ... if not giving away GW, GW-F over time.... Flatten the servers.. so were all in one "big" districts) aka the same server. It would be a drastic culture change.. but if the community can get over it and the I hate X country smack talk was kept in check, it would be good to find parties ast such.

Take "International District and change it to "Market District".

Lawnmower

Lawnmower

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/R

I know Koreans still have momentum in HoH, but from what I have heard their distrcts are almost dead. Only few play it over there, and apparently its even worse in japan.


does few players that play are just really good, so it seems like there are many of them.



Maybe gailie can tell about the games succes. I think the game has hit its peak... I don't see how it can continue getting new players. only a core base(us) will keep buying the new campaigns because we love the game...

if we had 6 million players.. like wow, we wouldnt have all these problems.

Horseman Of War

Horseman Of War

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

The Cult of Doom

P/

ive never seen a town with only 1 district that is totally dead- even in the jungle there are always people on LFG for this and that.

If you want to play with people, join a guild, or do PvP- Most guild wars players dont have the patience to do PvE with other people- I sure dont. Last thing I need at 3AM when I want to kill Galrath, is some stupid ranger to run and aggro the whole map on me (example)

Horseman Of War

Horseman Of War

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

The Cult of Doom

P/

This is a generalized list of my feelings on the subject at hand- its not aimed at anyone, and not meant to be a flame post (eh... how could it be? I just scared I dont know what the rules of flaming are)

1. If this game was like WoW, I wouldnt play it.

2. There are plenty of people who only own factions- which means that there will be plenty of new people. I know of at least half a dozen (noob) guildmates that started in factions, and THEN got Gw1. I think this trend will continue- say a new player decides to make the jump to GW at the release of NightFall... You dont think they will eventually buy the previous chapters if they enjoy the game?

3. Personally Im more afraid of the mass of noobies- its going to be like the first few weeks of Factions when people are like "OMG I GOT REZ SIG I RULE!"

4. The noobs will make the Dervish just as hated on as the assassin is now... who knows maybe finding a group as an assassin will actually be easier.

5. Unless ANet trashes the servers, I will always play this game. And if you are one of the people who think the game is dying- look past your decaying guild and see that there are new people coming in every single day.

natuxatu

natuxatu

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Wisconsin

Rt/Mo

Well here is my thoughts not that anyone cares. I'll start by saying I'm a huge fan and have had GW since it first hit the stores.

1. I'm sorry but I really think they need to either increase the level cap or have a LOT more content for lvl 20 because at this point I've been hunting for other online games. As someone said at some point it just turns into a farming game. I think that's the main issue.

After Nightfall the next chapter needs to be for lvl 20 only if they decide not to increase the lvl cap which i dont' care if they do or not and they've said they will not so i'm not expecting that.

More content and areas for lvl 20 including quest, extra armor, and everything.

Lvl 20 only chapter or the first expansion.

Scavenger Rage

Scavenger Rage

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

Brazil

dTe - Do The Evolution

N/Mo

Some new FOW LIKE armors would add some content...

As well as some faster "elite areas" like Urgoz and Deep...i already have 5 lvl20 chars and the only thing that keeps me goin and playing is actualy FARM and trying to solo those missions...maybe some day i accomplish that goal ^^

Later.

Edge Martinez

Edge Martinez

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

NC

DKL

I'm online playing games about 5 days a week. When GW gets a little boring, I switch over to Mechwarrior Mercenaries for a day. Then one day I might play one of the many Tycoon games out there. Then I rock with Call of Duty 2. Then I'm back to GW. When it gets boring, rinse and repeat.

I don't think people should play the exact same game every day. If it's that addicting, you'll end up losing jobs and stuff because of it. If it's not that addicting, you will get bored. I'd say more people get burned out on a system and not a game. There are days when I don't feel like playing an online Magic the Gathering game, and instead want to actually aim and shoot something. Then some days I want to put 10 sims in a room with no bathroom, no fridge, no phone and no exit, and see which one survi-... er, you get the point. Variety is the spice of life, even in video games it seems.

Opeth11

Opeth11

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Richmond, British Columbia, Kanada

Demon of the Fall [Opet]

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Horseman Of War
(eh... how could it be? I just scared I dont know what the rules of flaming are)

3. Personally Im more afraid of the mass of noobies- its going to be like the first few weeks of Factions when people are like "OMG I GOT REZ SIG I RULE!"
People with Rez Sigs do rule =D

Flaming on a forum is like..using words that can get into an arguement. Like me calling you stupid or something. If that were the case, then I would be flaming you.

ogami_ito

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

I read that Anet has contracted with 9City - the Chinese company which runs WoW in China - to introduce GW in China. 9City sucks, as any Chinese WoW player can tell you. I assume they would introduce Factions and Prophesies as a bundle, as it makes no sense otherwise. This raises 4 questions:

1. Will it really get introduced? I bet yes. 9City is probably always interested in expanding their product line. The localization is very easy because all the text is already in Traditional Chinese (for Taiwan and Hong Kong). The only reason it has not started yet is because they are probably still working on the business model and packaging. Probably need to change some of the text-content for Mainlanders as well.

2. Will it become popular here in China? I place 30% odds. I really don't know. There are several online RPGs that Chinese people play and most Chinese gamers are power-gamers...not sure that GW fits their taste. On the other hand, Chinese gamers really like card games like Magic The Gathering. It really depends on how its promoted and it depends on the degree to which 9City fugs it up ("fug" is my new censor-friendly word which I created and I am trying to popularlze) I heard that GW in Taiwan has both a pay-per-minute model which is internet-bar friendly, and an American/original sales model. I have only occassionally seen Taiwanese players though (judging by seeing Chinese-traditional character toon names)

3. Will GW in China be compatible / on the same system as the rest of GW? Not sure. The government probably does not like that because it allows for an un-regulated communications network through The Great China Firewall. On the other hand, Anet has a great track-record in China with Lineage 2 which is internationsl, and they have made a point of making GW an international game. Diablo 2 can be played anywhere as well.

4. How will that affect the community? If the way they play WoW is any indication...Many Chinese gamers will migrate into GW with Chinese mega-guilds. Western players will find that mostof them are friendly, but have poor English. Most will not really know any English that can get past the censor. They will have as much team-work skills as Westerners. Meaning that 90% will have no team-work skills and 10% will. Guildys will have great team-work skills. They also will be less "picky" about what classes to let into the group. Most will be college students...very few high-schoolers.

OK. Another question...will Chinese players pay for running? That's something I'm really interested in. Chinese people don't like to pay for services. I'm wondering if paid running services would catch on here.

ogami_ito

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Ncsoft Signs Guild Wars Licensing Contract with China's The9
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/guild...ml?sid=6147144

Guild Wars Expands to China- NCsoft prepares its successful MMORPG for new lands.
http://pc.ign.com/articles/700/700335p1.html

rong626

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2006

hell

Woot

P/W

We all know that GW was a commercial and utter failure in Singapore, Korea and Japan. But so what?

i agree with u,i myself from singapore too.About 2 out of 15 plays guildwars.

pcredsox99

pcredsox99

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

Mostly Kryta but Fissure of Woe on the weekends

Knights of the Dragon Pyre [DRGN]

W/Mo

Yeah the LFG menu is a good idea. It is already in use on coh and pp love it its how most form teams

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Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2005

Anchorage Alaska

Haz Team [HT]

R/W

well you have to remember this game is world wide too. so maybe is not as popular where you are atm. but it seems to be fine here. I'm in Alaska and I have a benefit of hitting many zones in prime during my late night. Especially Europe and east coast USA. But I have noticed that during MY prime times favor has shifted to Korea a lot. so I tend to go to international districts in those cases...

I guess its all in the time of day for you. you just need to find a good time. For me it was like at 3 am for a few missions that I needed.

One cool thing on this game however that most often overlook, is that it is playable with henchies in a pinch. Most of the game I played with henchies the first time through... then with groups the rest of the times for much more enjoyment. Generally speaking though every mission is doable with henchies and time. If you are really all alone. your not Stuck per say... I think that was the brilliant on anets part...

Age

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eviance
Well guys in truth I think GW is looking to expand their fanbase and have more players with each chapter, but that will only happen if they play their cards right.
You aren't going to find many people left in Cantha due to the lack of PVE content. Those that are still in Cantha are struggling to get groups OR are only there for elite missions and to sell their wares.
I think this is now just a wait and see type of thing. Many saw Factions as a bomb even though it sold so many copies... The reason it sold so many copies is because Prophecies was such a huge success and we were expecting something similar with Factions... Granted there are a few other reasons it sold so many but in truth the majority bought were by those who loved Prophecies (most of these people are currently disappointed at shelling out the $40-50 for Factions).
Nightfall may bring back some population but I think a goodly portion of players will be sitting back and waiting to see how Nightfall will pan out before rushing out to get a copy this time. If it bombs you can expect the amount of players to decrease rather rapidly.
You couldn't be more further from the Truth as everyone like Prophecies as there is more replayablity in that game.There really isn't much in Factions only the Alliance Battles the quaries like Aspenwood which had problems from the get go.The missions them selves were poorly thought out as I much prefer the Prophecy stlye missions over Faction.I may sit out Nightfall or wait and see waht you pl say about it.I really need to work on my Guild as it is dieing and my Char.s more.

The only part of the game I do believe that Koreans like is PvP for the Guilds that are in it as that is what the game is really about if you don't mind PKing all the time I don't.

Clusmas

Clusmas

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Brisbane, Australia

n/a

Wow! Lot's of people like my idea!! Thanks