I want harder missions then the deep.

I really enjoy this mission, and would like to see more missions like this in nightfall. I mean the current thrend in prophecies, and faction is really boring and stale. Most builds can solo a lot of the stuff in there.

XoO? Heh.

Anyways, it's impossible to design more difficult content. Whatever you do, it's "kills thing, repeat."

In World of Warcraft, some end-game fights require locational positioning (i.e, casters need to be to the side of certain bosses in order to avoid damage). However, with the current methods of aggro management and bodyblocking, that wouldn't work.

What WOULD work is requiring an extremely cookie-cutter build. (i.e. a boss has a stance that makes him invincible, but can only be broken by an Elementalist spell.)

The only way I can see them getting past the problem of creating AI or challanges too hard for players to find a easy way through is by making the mission pvp based - or tournament based sorta like HoH. And if that happens, rank discrimination rears its ugly head again.

Deep = wall + nuke
Urgoz = trap + pull (or wall + nuke also)

The only thing preventing 6 man teams in the deep right now is time and latency. It would take some pretty experienced players to get through it while taking bit longer due to lack of damage output and losing 1 person in a 6 man team is not nearly as bad as losing 1 person in a 9 man or 12 man team.

It's absolutely possible to design more difficult content. They could increase the difficulty by an order of magnitude simply by having the monsters be significantly randomized in location, number, and build.

The question is: would that be more fun for the majority of players, and if so, is it enough so to be worth the extra development time required? Obviously, Arenanet doesn't think so, and as much as I'd like content that requires a little more thought, the reality is that they'd probably be right to think so.

That said, I thought that at least the Factions big bosses were significantly more challenging and fun than most of Prophecies, although admittedly after the Undead Liche they really couldn't get much worse.

/agree
What annoyed me with GW: Factions and probably will in Nightfall is the fact that while the new monsters may look different and such, I still dislike how the "lure, tank, nuke nuke heal splat repeat" element of every single mob I encounter. It starts to get really really boring after a while. The WoW things you mentioned sound interesting but the locational positioning sounds kinda like the cookie cutter part you were talking about. In any case I made enough money to stay off PvE and hope it might get a bit more interesting.

I believe Nightfall will have 3 elite missions.

LOL, show me one build that can solo a bunch of diverse monsters in a Faction mission.

Dude go play WoW if that's what you like

The game mechanics are way different in the two games and personally I find the WoW way retarded - I mean you can *through* friends and foes.

Please for god sakes don't try to take ANY inspiration from WoW and try to apply it to GW it simply doesn't work.

In the terms of large-group combat, the games are similar.

Take either Elite Mission boss. You need to do some weird crap to kill them. Take any WoW Raid boss. You need to do some weird crap to kill them also.

I fail to see how the ability to walk through players invalidates my point. (just makes life much easier.)

How about having really difficult solo maps, one for each profession. Ah, a man can dream..

Like what? When I beat Urgoz, my party started out trying cheap tricks like EoE and eventually just went with dodging around like lunatics spamming all our skills as fast as we could without getting killed. I wish more of the elite mission was as fun as that was.

Better AI, less mobs makes for a more interesting game than bad AI, lots of mobs. Just work on the AI more please, ANet.

And that makes it more interesting because you HAVE to have bring a specific type of char to do the mission - like the stupid Tranquilizing Shot Hunter and such?

I hate raiding with a passion and hope Anet never implements crap like that.

Tried... underworld?

You can 2-man UW...it's far from "difficult".

Underworld can be entirely cleared with multiple gimmick builds. UW and FoW are in no way difficult. >.>

Screenshot of "The Four Horsemen" completed with party window open and displaying 2 people, kthx.

Yes, UW can be cleared with "gimmick" builds. All of PvE can be cleared with those builds. Your point?

None of GW PvE is difficult? How hard of a point is that to make?

You were implying that UW was hard, when you can 2-man something it isn't hard Alleji...I dunno what the hell you're getting at now, but my point stands, PvE is not difficult.

I want a level of just defeating a HUGE boss! no other enemies just a big-ass BOSS. It would have to have like 8 bars of health and changes prof everytime u get its health down a bar. It would also have monster skill self heals.