outcast god.

Menzies couldn't even take over a simple realm. What makes you think that he can take over a world where more than ONE god monitors it all the time?

It would just attract Balthazar's eye (again). I don't think Menzies has the power to rebound so quickly after what happened in the FoW.

My theory stays with most of the people thus far. Dhuum is making a comeback. He was cast from his realm by Grenth.

True, plus Dhuum sounds a lot more evil, being so cruel that he was not even suited to be the god of death.

/hopes we fight Dhuum

Well when did killing, banishing, destoying, etc a super bad person ever prevent him form coming back.

I mean most video game follow-ups have the bad guy of the first game coming back.

I always thought is was weird that Shrio didn't kill her.

Or Grenth could have killed him, yknow, cause he rewards the highly ambitious and is ambitious himself (read pedestal of Grenth), and wanted the guy's job.

This thread has so much rampant speculation it's almost painful. Stick to what's known already and work from there...

Don't steal my stuff and claim credit for it .

If the chaos rifts are work of dhuum, then so was the cataclysm .Forbidden magic .Say that thrice in your mind .Does it make sense ?Why would they forbid it and not forbid the creator of the magic ?That too ,in the city of the gods !
Clearly that magic was the magic created by dhuum .When khilbron used it ,later some of the undead, grasping ghouls appeared .Thye wre definately not obtained from human corpses ,and they are very similar to grasps of insanity in the underworld .Therefore, the very moment when dhumms magic was cast ,his soul was revived and since then ,hye plans to come back .

And don't associate everything with chaos to dhuum ,cuz if u do ,then sometime even mesmers will be considered evil. Research chaos on wikipedia FOR SOME SERIOUS enlightment to the word 'chaos' .

dhuum will probably be the outcast ,since anet has a knack for making all probable theories real .(elona)

I find it strange that a God could just up-and-die. I figure he was banished deep into the Underworld, and will eventually return.
It would make sense to have Paragons (angel-like) fighting Dhuum.

Well, if the God of Death said he killed Dhuum, Id say Dhuum is killed & not banished.

However, The heroes did kill Shiro & Shiro was sent to a special place in the Otherworld. Considering that, Dhuums spirit (beeing separate from Dhuums living body) could have been sent to a certain place by Grenth. And then Dhuum could have been released from that due to some foolish, Vizir, Envoy or King. Then Again Shiro was a mortal, not a god (even though he & some of his followers might have thought so) & Dhuum was a God.

If Dhuum was a "mortal" god Perhaps Dhuum will want to do the exact same ritual as Shiro and return to his "mortal" form.
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I still think its Menzies, since thats a God thats still at large, unkilled & most likely banished. Regardless of his minions weak attempts to overtake various places.

Grenth wasn't the god of death BEFORE he "killed" Dhuum though. I mean...if the "gods" were merely mortal, wouldn't the whole world fall apart? Thus, by killed, I think they really mean banished :P Is Menzies even a real god? I thought he was just a powerful being, seeing as Balthazar layed the smack-down on him >_>

Dhuum was NOT the creator of Magic. Grenth came into power BEFORE they bestowed magic upon the land.(See Guildwiki) The Cataclysm was caused by Khilbron.

The undead that Khilbron used WERE from Orr. And yes, they were human corpses. There is no doubt that Dhuum could have influenced Khilbron, but the lore states that he used a forbidden scroll to save Orr from the Charr and destroyed it in the process.

Chaos magic can be used for evil but in game, its also used for good.

This, I will agree with. Evidence stated elsewhere, suggests that it could be him.

There is no evidence of that in the lore. Besides, I don't think that the Envoys are that stupid. Shiro could have helped him before he decided to take revenge however.

Gods don't have to be mortal to be destroyed, just severely overpowered by another force. Shiro was an Envoy so Dhuum can't use the same process.

That is the evidence that links Dhuum to the storms of chaos.

Some new evil skills for mesmers wouldn't be a bad idea now would they? Maybe some new evil armor to get away from riverdance as well?

Also, is it not the belief in a god that makes them exist? The more people start believing in a god then the more they start to be?

Now if Dhuum was a master of Chaos, then would it not stand to reason that his destruction also fed his chaos? He could have been the puppet master for Shiro as they could have struck a deal? I am more inclined to think that he has always been there, pulling the strings on all our enemies! The more chaos there is then the more belief in him!

Now Gwen has risen to a cult status among the GW community and lots of speculation has been written on her. I think the story of Gwen is also a key thing that will be cleared up in future chapters. Why? It will be a link back to the original game to get new players who only bought Nightfall, to go out and buy that so they understand her story etc... In both chapters up to now there have been items with reference to music in them, so I am almost expecting the addition of a bard class in one of the chapters!

Someone mentioned, lets stick to what we know rather than speculate! Where's the fun in that, we'd have nothing to talk about! Or to complain at ANET about if they did not include it in the next chapter ;p LOL

Or Dhuum could be being puppeted by.... GWEN.

Nm I'm saying random stuff tonight

...he did

From al the things floating around, heres what I think...

Deverish can form into the avatars of the gods (as you well know). They use enchantments, which can be counted by the mesmer disenchantments. Mesmers not only deal chaos damage, but havnt been the top of every group in any of the phrophices or factions mission lists. This resembles that from although having time down(or being banished/killed/etc) , they will make a comeback, meaning, what i think, the god will have something to do with mesmers. Maybe Dhuum became attached to Lyssa in some way, resembling the two figures for the statue or even the following text.

And it was, that a stranger came to the village of Wren seeking shelter and employment. Though young in years her body was stooped and twisted, her flesh eaten by disease.

"Ye have the mark of plague upon ye, said the citizen named Gallrick. Leave this place lest you sicken our people."

'I've lost my family and my home, cried the desperate woman. Have you no heart?"

Yet each persone, in turn, did look away.

Then from the crowd came a young woman, Sara. She looked upon the woman with pity. "If you need help," said Sara, "I will give it." And Sara did approach the gnarled, bent woman and did offer her a healing hand.

Then the sickend woman pulled from body the robes of plague, revealing Herself to be the goddess Lyssa.

The people of Wren fell to their knees, begging Lyssa's mercy. But lifting Sara gently, saith She, "True beauty is measured not by appearance but by actions and deeds. Many have eyes, but few have seen. Of all here, you saw the beauty behind the illusion. And you alone shall be blessed with My gifts."

-- Scriptures of Lyssa: 45 BE

It's about being fooled, much alike the gods could be fooled through Dhuum connecting to Lyssa, using some kinda spells to decieve them to make a comeback, most likly going for the four bloodstones (for horsemen got anything to do with it?) and the keystone. Or maybe my brain is going to explode due to the sheer excitement of whats going to happen. Anyhow i can't wait for nightfall.

Sorry if none of this links up, i just wanna know!(sorry about spelling)

I just want to know what happened to the scepter of orr. At the end of prophecies it just floats off the bloodstone and vanishes. I always assumed that something took it for others reasons. Maybe someone is using it to summon up Dhumm or another fallen god. Just speculation, but I would like to know more about the scepter.

If I recall, on the class preview weekend, although the Avatar forms were elite enchantments, you couldn't strip or shatter them. They were there until their duration ended.

Maybe Lyssa is Dhuum's 'wife', and she somehow plays a bigger role in this coming chapter. FoW and UW exist under Balthazar and Grenth respectively. So maybe the realm of Chaos , aka Lyssa, is torn open by Dhuum, and he uses Lyssa's twin personalities to twist her, and uses the evil side of Lyssa to trick the other God's into not seeing his misdeeds? Somewhat like the Darkside hiding from the jedi in Ep 1-3. ??? Maybe? Lyssa is Goddess of Chaos, Dhuum is God of Chaos, aka, her husbad, her King. She is queen. Mesmers are gonna have something to do with this business...

Well since Dhuum is assoicated with Chaos magic one could assume that he is the force behind this whole bit. Follow me if you will:

Dhuum's tower has chaos storms, this assoicates him with mesmers, mesmers have the illusion trait.

Shiro was guided into doing what he did by a woman of mysterious origins. Perhaps an illusion of Dhuum. It wouldn't be the first time a god has taken the form of a human to test a human.

As for the original campaign. Who gave the charr the power to do what they did? I mean hundreds of years without breaching the wall, and then suddenly boom. Also, what happened to the scepter? Making the player feel as if they won would be a powerful deception, one worthy of a mesmer.

As for Gwen, if Dhuum is responsible for the searing (and if she's alive) she'd probably be pretty pissed off. I doubt they'll close that book yet, afterall what would we speculate on if they did?

Elite forms or blessings i think they were. Sorry i was thinking to hard but not writing to keep up. What i ment was to real to suvive, the deverish need there enchantments, disenchantments are just going to cancal them making them extreamly vunrable.