Storage

Ruby Lightheart

Ruby Lightheart

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Clan of Elders

R/Mo

If you have your factions and propheses games linked...why cant you access the extra storage space in propheses? I would be ok with it if you could go to the guild hall with a propheses created character and be able to access the extra storage but you can. Only Factions characters can access the extra storage. This makes no sense,....the extra storage should be accessable for both campains if you have them linked

luxor9

luxor9

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2006

W/N

I know in some low maps you don't see the extra storage but they do show up later in prophecies as you get higher up.

Although if you don't have factions you can't get it and that is not fair but that's one of anet's many tricks to get you to buy factions.

Hephaestus Ram

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

None

W/E

I don't see that it's a big deal. There are many ways that they could have
implimented it, but this is the way they went.
It takes all of three minutes to get your characters over to KC to access it.
Shouldn't be a problem for any reasonable person. If you're trying to
transfer materials to low level Prophecies characters it still only takes a
minute.
Do we have to second guess Anet on everything?

Ruby Lightheart

Ruby Lightheart

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Clan of Elders

R/Mo

i am not second guessing Anet..im just pointing out that it makes no sense to limit this feature in any form. Even at low levels you still get stuff you wanna save and the materal storage should be available to all in both campains after leaving the trainig areas

ManxMann

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/Mo

Ruby, If you have your Prophecies and Factions accounts merged, then all of your characters can access the expanded storage. The trick is that characters created in Tyria must go to Kaineng Center to see the Storage Representative to set up the account. He is only located there and at the Monastery. Once the account is set up through him, it will appear at all of the storage agents thoughout the game.

There is a major brew-ha-ha going on right now among players who side with ANET(insisting in keeping it a `Factions Only` benefit) and those that want the expanded storage to be available to all chapters.

Contrary to the simple fact that Alex Weeks, an game representative, assured the community that `storage` upgrades would be offered free to all players regardless of Chapter(s) purchased, Gaile Gray, a GM, states that the storage upgrade is not a core function and therefore is a Factions specific upgrade.

It is, I am afraid, a sorry state of affairs for a company to have to go back on the word of their representatives because they do not have the fortitute to stand up and admit that they may have made a mistake and misrepresented themselves or their intentions.

It is even more woeful that we players find the need to defend them without first taking the time to at least attempt to research the topic.

Caethas Turan

Caethas Turan

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

Auckland, New Zealand

Reapers of Oblivion [Ruin]

I was under the impression they'd be free. And that once accessed once would remain unlocked for all characters (linked to Factions). -shrug-

Refyused

Refyused

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Nope, same concept as purchasing access to your storage account on every new character you make in Tyria, once you leave pre-searing. It's not that big a deal, just 50 gold, easy to come by.

EiS

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

Save The Dragons

R/Mo

i think that that storage upgrade thing is only for ppl that have factions i think its kinda unfair to the ppl still playing on the original

xiaotsu

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Doomlore Shrine

Just Us Gamers [JUGs]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by EiS
i think that that storage upgrade thing is only for ppl that have factions i think its kinda unfair to the ppl still playing on the original
It's like a "perk pack"...if they made everything in Factions available to everyone in Prophecies no one would buy the game for it's content...


Obviously they can't let your new Tyrian characters access it because they would have to put the NPC in the Prophecies towns, and I'm sure they don't want to code it to check and see if you have Factions linked or not :/

grikdog

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

"If you have your factions and propheses games linked...why cant you access the extra storage space in propheses? "

You can access it for all characters in all places with Xunlai.

However before a specific character (Tyrian or Canthan) can access the additional storage, that character has to upgrade his/her storage account with 50 gold. This transaction is only available in Cantha.

Hence a Tyrian Character has to be able to get to Lions Arch (to travel to Cantha) before this storage access is available to that specific character.

Delarn

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

Embryon

W/Mo

Ok when Weeks said that Storage update would be free, then Gaile had no right to cut the grass under her collegue and change that.

It's not that I dislike the storage update that I am saying that but if the update is said free and available to all chapters ... doesn't that mean CORE ?

I would like the explanation from Gaile and Alex, on why she overrode Alex's promise, that it would be free and available to all chapter past present and future.

Thanks for your soon to be answer.

mcsumo

mcsumo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

SOS

R/

What is the big deal? Maybe Alex got it wrong or maybe they changed their minds....but at the end of the day....did you buy prophecies only because you could get the extra storage?...No I didn't think so. I like having a perk for owning both games and linking them...I also hope there are more perks when nightfall comes out. I hope it encourages more people to buy and link them all so that anet make more money and are incentivised to maintain and improve our game world indefinitely....Come on people bigger picture.

vinegrower

vinegrower

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Song of the Forsaken

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delarn
Ok when Weeks said that Storage update would be free, then Gaile had no right to cut the grass under her collegue and change that.

It's not that I dislike the storage update that I am saying that but if the update is said free and available to all chapters ... doesn't that mean CORE ?

I would like the explanation from Gaile and Alex, on why she overrode Alex's promise, that it would be free and available to all chapter past present and future.

Thanks for your soon to be answer.
ummm...Gaile cannot and does not make game design decisions, nor does she implement them. She is not an actual "developer" even though she works with the developers, and is often called a dev. She is Community Relations, and only relays information from the community to the developers, and from the developers to the community.

More than likely, the origional plan was to have it free, so that is what Alex (who works for NCSoft in Europe, not ArenaNet in America) told to the community. At some point before it was released, the devs decided that it should match the way origional storage was purchased. Seeing as how it is only 50g, they probably figured that it is basically free, and that it would be better to match the origional for continuity reasons.

The origional announcement on guildwars.com said that it would only be available to Factions owners, so if you have a link to someone saying that it would be available to other people, I'd love to see it.

Delarn

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

Embryon

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by vinegrower
ummm...Gaile cannot and does not make game design decisions, nor does she implement them. She is not an actual "developer" even though she works with the developers, and is often called a dev. She is Community Relations, and only relays information from the community to the developers, and from the developers to the community.

More than likely, the origional plan was to have it free, so that is what Alex (who works for NCSoft in Europe, not ArenaNet in America) told to the community. At some point before it was released, the devs decided that it should match the way origional storage was purchased. Seeing as how it is only 50g, they probably figured that it is basically free, and that it would be better to match the origional for continuity reasons.

The origional announcement on guildwars.com said that it would only be available to Factions owners, so if you have a link to someone saying that it would be available to other people, I'd love to see it.
Ok you understood my point. I got the 2 of them and what I am trying to say is : Why is Anet saying something different from NCsoft ?

Why did Alex said the words :
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Weekes
Factions is a major content release. If you think back (or read interviews from last year), you'll remember that it has been stated previously that content releases will usually be made via a campaign purchase.

Features such as improved trade mechanisms, storage and more are free updates. They'll be added to the game, at no cost, as soon as the individual features are ready. For example, the Balthazar Faction unlocking feature was added between campaigns, as have other features since the release of Prophecies (eg cape and hat visibility toggles).

Many features that players request are being worked on, and they won't be held back when they are finally ready. You'll get them as soon as they are ready .
I am looking foward for an answer from Gaile and or Alex on that please. To clear it up if we misunderstand it.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delarn

I am looking foward for an answer from Gaile and or Alex on that please. To clear it up if we misunderstand it.
read your own bolded words and you have your answer.

trade improvements when they come in will be for everyone

NOW LOOK CLOSE AT THE NEXT PART

STORAGE

NOT *EXPANDED STORAGE* BUT SIMPLY *STORAGE* AND THE XENAUI WAS GIVEN TO ALL (and everybody has storage and factions people have more items to store)

and according to the owner additional storage is content to be released with chapters while gane engine/mechanics/etc are free upgrades an example of which is the free upgrade from direct x 8 to direct x 9 to make things look better

EDIT

note Alex says Factions is a major CONTENT release?

gamecube187

gamecube187

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Um, in case you didn't notice, there is no where in that where it says something like "and these free updates will be availible to anyone that has any chapter."

If you didn't notice, it just says "Features such as improved trade mechanisms, storage and more are free updates. They'll be added to the game, at no cost, as soon as the individual features are ready."

Was it free? Yes, to anyone that has factions.

Was it added to the game? Yes.

Unless you can find other proof, then so far there is no proof that alex ever said that the whole community would get these free updates, and therefore, gaile did not "cut the grass under her collegue and change" anything (and BTW, she can't even if she tried. She is a community relations manager or something and just brings information to or from the community. Wait, I just relized a big part of her jobs is reading forums like this one and replying! No fair! I'm already doing that in my free time so why can't I get paid for that?! lol j/k )

Hmm it also says improved trade systems though... That might mean only people with certain chapters can access the auction house (I am assuming they will make one eventually since we need it so bad) which might get a lot of people angry... Oh well, I know I'm going to buy any future GW chapters (unless they somehow completely change everything I know and love about GW...) so I'll be fine with it.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by gamecube187

Hmm it also says improved trade systems though... That might mean only people with certain chapters can access the auction house
they stated everybody gets that since that will be a basic game function build that affects everybody.

when it finally comes out we all get it

Delarn

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

Embryon

W/Mo

You are seeing the tips of the iceberg GC187. If they do that with the expanded storage (you forgot the and more) then they will do that with the auction house. And that is no fair. There will be ppl that will not buy the next chapter and they will be feeling like left overs from a previously finished party. and when you feel like that you just stop playing and there you go you lose 14 customers. and maybe more has it's on the internet. Please them with those "CORE" feature so they buy the next and next and next chapters.

Oh yeah something that could be a nice feature ... make a "teaser" town for ppl that doesn't have the game. So they would want it more.

Thanks for your comments but I still want comments from Gaile, Andrew(that is Gaile substitute atm) or Alex. Clearing things up for us the mass that give you your butter to feed your self and children.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delarn
You are seeing the tips of the iceberg GC187. If they do that with the expanded storage (you forgot the and more) then they will do that with the auction house. And that is no fair. en.
they cannot run two builds of the game at the same time so that idea is cpap.

it would be impossible to trade with two tiers of people so it wont happen anyway

the backlash involved would cost them much more than the simpler coding of giving it to all

the OWNER stated that IMPROVED TRADING WHICH MAY NOT BE AN AUCTION HOUSE would be for all chapters period as a CORE MECHANIC of the game

LouAl

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

hasn't this debate already been pissed all over these forums?

The major problem is that Anet/NCsoft has too much open communication because picky people who think they are entitled to everything will read in those things that they want to see/get.

I actually see nothing wrong with implementing storage for all chapeters for fee and expanded storgae implemented for certain chapters.

Where I do see a problem is with the way the situation was handled on Anet's end. I don't like when their Community relations manager (a PR occupation?) insults and argues with the community members. They seem to have forgotten that they are dealing with a bunch of whiny children with a entitlement complex. On the other hand, the community has largely forgotten that if the company doesn't make money, the servers will shut down. In order for them to make money, they must entice people to buy subsequent chapters of the game. But again, I was displeased with the way it was handled...

ManxMann

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/Mo

mcsumo and vinegrower, ANET, and ALL of their representatives have the ability to post replies here. I am quite sure that they do not need you to defend them. However, if you insist, please at least open your minds to both sides of the argument before you do so.

The point being made here is that ANET, NCSoft, GuildWars, whoever....and their representatives are putting out BAD info. They are making statements and then going back on their collective word. Then to make matters worse, they try to blame the community for misunderstanding or expecting things that are too unreasonable!!

Read the dates on the posts that you are reading. Alex Weeks made his comment long before any post appeared on GW.com!! And Gaile Gray is wrong (even in a business ethic sense) to offer her `core`explanation in light of Alex`s statement. If she is a spokesperson for the company, and the company changed their mind then all she would have to have done is to say so. No, Spin Doctors don`t do that...they take the heat for the company. Fact remains that the `Company`allowed at least 2 of it`s representatives to make conflicting remarks to it`s community and FAILED to correct it!!

As a company, this has been happening since even before Prophecies launched...see this link...http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...071703&page=19

I am not making these posts to enrage people nor to prompt people to post heated comments back at me. I just want people to be informed. Many of us accept things as they come because we are used to it. I am not at all opposed to paying a fair price for a product and for the most part I enjoy GW. I just seriously detest when some people treat others like they have absolutely no intelligence whatsoever. Further, I did pay for it, so expecting a straight answer to a straight question is NOT an `òver expection`.

Delarn

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

Embryon

W/Mo

Just has storage is a core component of the game. Ok then WHY can I access my storage upgrade in tyria if they are not overlapping the two games ... And no they are not overlapping has Prophecies and Factions are the same game. I mean I can get my Rit and Assassin through all Prophecies and finish the both campain. So Guildwars is one game and all the chapters are in fact expansion even if you have stand alones...

Oh yeah and it works well in WoW and don't tell me they(the WoW players) are paying monthly fee ... They are are charging us 10$ a month for GW by making us pay 60$ each 6 month.

gamecube187

gamecube187

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by LouAl
I don't like when their Community relations manager (a PR occupation?) insults and argues with the community members.
When has any of the community relations managers insulted or argued with the community members? I've seen community members do that to each other a lot, but I haven't seen any community relations manager do that, ever...could you please provide a link or something?

EDIT

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delarn
Oh yeah and it works well in WoW and don't tell me they(the WoW players) are paying monthly fee ... They are are charging us 10$ a month for GW by making us pay 60$ each 6 month.
It is $50 every 6 months, but in a way you are right. IF you buy the new chapters than we are, sorta, paying a monthly fee, but I would much rather this than how WoW does it. Also, you have to pay for it to buy and install it and THEN you have to pay monthly to accually play it (i think) so in a way you are wrong because we skip the pay monthly part (sorta). Aww man, I just confused myself now! Uh..whatever, maybe it makes sence I'm not sure...confused...

EDIT again

Um delarn, I do live in CA...but thats sorta irrelevant isnt it? And, uh there sorta is a difference between how *most* online games and GW make you pay. For *most* other online games, you have to pay the money to buy it, just like you do with GW, but then you *also* have to pay monthly after that. So really, people that play *most* other online games pay more overall. With GW, the price is, in a way, cut in half. So you are once again, half right and half wrong. Oh cool I didn't confuse myself that time!

Delarn

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

Embryon

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by LouAl
hasn't this debate already been pissed all over these forums?

The major problem is that Anet/NCsoft has too much open communication because picky people who think they are entitled to everything will read in those things that they want to see/get.

I actually see nothing wrong with implementing storage for all chapeters for fee and expanded storgae implemented for certain chapters.

Where I do see a problem is with the way the situation was handled on Anet's end. I don't like when their Community relations manager (a PR occupation?) insults and argues with the community members. They seem to have forgotten that they are dealing with a bunch of whiny children with a entitlement complex. On the other hand, the community has largely forgotten that if the company doesn't make money, the servers will shut down. In order for them to make money, they must entice people to buy subsequent chapters of the game. But again, I was displeased with the way it was handled...
They can make more money by giving stuff, like a teaser town (maybe kaineng could be one) so they can go there see the stuff and buy the next chapter because they want to see more of it.

I am going to buy nightfall because it has make my brain work to link faction to nightfall... I linked prophecies to nightfall in no time tho.

I still want some clearing on what is core mechanic and what is chapter specific mechanics. Please, Gaile, Andrew or Alex, can you explain it to the mass ?

EDIT

For GC187, ok you live in the US not in CA ... Then I pay 60$ each 6 month for a game I download on the net for FREE so you are getting the game for Free and paying 10$ a month for it ... big difference ... nope !

EiS

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

Save The Dragons

R/Mo

I'm thinking what alex ment by free of charge he in like real money not Guild wars gold money

Delarn

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

Embryon

W/Mo

EiS we are not talking about Money nor Cash ... We are talking about the fact that Storage is a CORE feature of GW.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delarn
EiS we are not talking about Money nor Cash ... We are talking about the fact that Storage is a CORE feature of GW.
storage is core feature yes.

EXTRA storage is game content as defined earlier by the Jeff Strain of Anet during an interview

EiS

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

Save The Dragons

R/Mo

sorry ealier in the conversation they where talknig about the money/gold about the storage upgrade

Anduin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Ice Dragon Berserker Lodge

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by gamecube187
When has any of the community relations managers insulted or argued with the community members? I've seen community members do that to each other a lot, but I haven't seen any community relations manager do that, ever...could you please provide a link or something?

EDIT



It is $50 every 6 months, but in a way you are right. IF you buy the new chapters than we are, sorta, paying a monthly fee, but I would much rather this than how WoW does it. Also, you have to pay for it to buy and install it and THEN you have to pay monthly to accually play it (i think) so in a way you are wrong because we skip the pay monthly part (sorta). Aww man, I just confused myself now! Uh..whatever, maybe it makes sence I'm not sure...confused...

EDIT again

Um delarn, I do live in CA...but thats sorta irrelevant isnt it? And, uh there sorta is a difference between how *most* online games and GW make you pay. For *most* other online games, you have to pay the money to buy it, just like you do with GW, but then you *also* have to pay monthly after that. So really, people that play *most* other online games pay more overall. With GW, the price is, in a way, cut in half. So you are once again, half right and half wrong. Oh cool I didn't confuse myself that time!
Depends on where you live. 60$ for us in the Great White North.

LouAl

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by gamecube187
When has any of the community relations managers insulted or argued with the community members? I've seen community members do that to each other a lot, but I haven't seen any community relations manager do that, ever...could you please provide a link or something?
I have seen Gaile act this way on a number of occasions. Keep in mind that I am not saying she is entirely at fault, being that she has an absolute ton of crap to deal with, but sometimes her professionalism is a bit low...Again, the negative attitude is NOT the norm, it is an occasional and unfortunate side effect of dealing with forum jerks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
# The update notes are as complete as we can make them.
# We don't leave things out because we're trying to pull something sneaky -- a dozen programmers and sometimes several weeks' of work can result in a missing line in the text. Accident, pure and simple.
# There are no "rogue programmers" at ArenaNet doing whatever you'd suggest they were doing by using such a weird choice of words.
# We didn't "just post" the updated notes, and the amendment was decidedly not a result of this thread.
# "Without notifying us" sounds aggressive and arrogant. We provide thorough notes, as thorough as we are able. But please don't come to think that we are obligated to do so. We're not an government entity that must give notification on point of law, nor a utility that is required to notify you before they raise your electricity rates. Our form of notification is thorough, and in truth it costs us many staff hours to put it together. It is our intention that our system of update notes will always be as complete as possible. But with all due respect, please don't go there with that "entitlement thing."
# What form of apology would you like? Perhaps you have leapt to that erroneous statement without reading the many times we've said "We apologize" or "We are sorry" or the other words we have used to make it clear that we are, in fact, issuing an apology.
# In Ancient Rome, a general might fall on his sword for making an error that resulted in his army's defeat. I think a few words missed, or an update line later added, isn't worth quite such a level of drama.
# Apparently, others would disagree.
I bolded the part that seemed most argumentative and insulting. (taken from http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10009835 )

I want to look up some more, but I am really tired and about to fall alseep on my keyboard...

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by LouAl


I bolded the part that seemed most argumentative and insulting. (taken from

I want to look up some more, but I am really tired and about to fall alseep on my keyboard...
i do not see that as insulting in the least but as a flat statement the other person is wrong.

if telling the other person is wrong is argumentative you are correct as holding a different opinion and stating it is by definition arguement.

insulting?........that is laughable

Delarn

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

Embryon

W/Mo

Loviatar are you tone deaf ? I mean you can't see sarcasm or snobism in those word. She has the WE ARE GODS in her tone. but oh well you don't see it. Maybe you are blind also then.

Loviatar can you quote him with the date he did that interview, was it before of after Alex Weeks wrote his words or after Gaile wrote her's .

Sry for the other ppl.

Thanks for most of your comment.

Lonesamurai

Lonesamurai

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Cheltenham, Glos, UK

Wolf Pack Samurai [WPS]

R/A

i'm sorry, but I agree with Lovitar... she's been messed around and countlessly had to deal with people shes trying to help, bitch at her about herself and the company she works for... to be fair, I think she was milder than she could have been

Delarn

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

Embryon

W/Mo

I'm not bitching about her I'm just asking for clarification of core and chapter specific. If they clarify it then I'll stop barking around. Clearing things up is the best wayt to make ppl stop arguing... and that is what I want from the start... but There is "not so smart ppl" that don't really read the post and defend the ppl we just want clarification from.

Gaile, Alex or Andrew can you clarify what is CORE and what is CHAPTER SPECIFIC. And take the word of the devellopers for us please. I want to know what they have to say about CORE and CHAPTER SPECIFIC stuff.

Please members of the forum if you don't understand the concept of CLEARING THINGS UP then don't say it was clear... it was not for me and alot of ppl so please let them ask the question and just don't interfere in the process ... and I'm actualy sad to have to put that in my post. This is not anger but sadness.

Nickelocene

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delarn
Gaile, Alex or Andrew can you clarify what is CORE and what is CHAPTER SPECIFIC. And take the word of the devellopers for us please. I want to know what they have to say about CORE and CHAPTER SPECIFIC stuff.
What would you gain from this information. It's their decision whether it's a core or a chapter specific. They develop the game, we buy it and play it. That's it. They have all the right to do whatever they want. They can even shut the server down if they want. What are you going to do about that. Have you ever paid and played any game that never followed up once it's released?

The OP is asking about the accessibility of the material storage. Why do you shift to talk about if it's free or not? Did they ask for any more money from us for what they did after the release. NO. That means FREE. 50 coins in the GAME, what's the big deal. Enough already.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delarn

Gaile, Alex or Andrew can you clarify what is CORE and what is CHAPTER SPECIFIC. And take the word of the devellopers for us please. I want to know what they have to say about CORE and CHAPTER SPECIFIC stuff.

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to be honest i spent 20+ minute looking for that particular jeff strain interview yesterday and when i find it i will link it for you

bpphantom

bpphantom

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Canukistan

The Eyes of Ashtabula [Eyes]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delarn
You are seeing the tips of the iceberg GC187. If they do that with the expanded storage (you forgot the and more) then they will do that with the auction house. And that is no fair. There will be ppl that will not buy the next chapter and they will be feeling like left overs from a previously finished party. and when you feel like that you just stop playing and there you go you lose 14 customers. and maybe more has it's on the internet. Please them with those "CORE" feature so they buy the next and next and next chapters.

Oh yeah something that could be a nice feature ... make a "teaser" town for ppl that doesn't have the game. So they would want it more.

Thanks for your comments but I still want comments from Gaile, Andrew(that is Gaile substitute atm) or Alex. Clearing things up for us the mass that give you your butter to feed your self and children.
With no monthly fees, the incentive to buy the next chapter is to GET all those cool features.
NCSoft has done it with other games. Want a base? Buy the Expansion. <-perfectly logical IMHO.

Delarn

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

Embryon

W/Mo

To Nickelocene ... They are not devs they are spoke person.

to bpphantom ... I know that's why I'm buying the next chapter !