Money rant.

Really now? Usually those comments in town for donations are followed by "lol scammer"; "HAY HE WANTS UR MONIES".

Or they just havn't played the game. If they did play the game properly, they should be fine. And I mean properly.

Matix, I'm responding to your first post. There is a surefire way for newcomers to make money for their armor. Anyone can get a full set after Minister Cho's estate with what they've made. When you get to Seitung, all you really need is a chest piece and leggings from there to get you through to Marketplace (if you hench it like I did). Once at marketplace, you grab henchies and run to Kaineng Center.

By this time, if you are new, you are hurting for cash. If your guild can't help you with money and materials, you can still help yourself through your guild. Go do some Alliance Battles. After earning about 15k faction and cashing them in for amber or jade (which u then sell) as you go, you will have more than enough for materials and crafting cost for 4, if not all 5, pieces of your max armor.

Alliance battles are quicker than farming, (now at any rate), and any new character can use a free slot for a level 20 PvP toon. And amber is worthless. It's not like ecto where you hesitate because it might be worth more in a week. You can get amber easy through AB's. From experience, 90 amber is more than enough to get you decked out in 15k Tyrian armor, with room left over to experiment with colors. And it's easy to get.

EDIT: Bah... I'll leave it up for the farming technique, but I forgot a new player CAN'T trade in amber until he gets to HzH. My bad.

EDIT AGAIN: But... once at Marketplace, you can go do the Tyrian missions if you have Prophecies until you have enough cash. Your armor is perfect for there, as is your level, and you don't have to deal with mobs of afflicted.

Opeth, I haven't been in droks in a while, but we used to laugh at the lvl 4 beggign for money for armor.

Yup, playing the game through properly and not spending money on dye/runes early in the game means you have enough money for 1.5k armor, and quite frankly, 1.5k armor looks a lot better than some of the 15k armors. My necro still walks around in collectors cause its the best looking armor for her.

Let's see..alliance battles math now!

Assuming that you are fighting for Kurzicks.
You earn 750 a run on average, including wins and losses.
15 minutes a battle. -approx. ranges on luck on team spawns.
4 battles in an hour. -approx. ranges on luck on team spawns.
750 x 4 = 3000 faction an hour
3 hours and 20 minutes = 10 000 faction.
Amber = 900 gold on average.
10 000/1000 = 10 Amber.
10 x 900 = 9 000.

Now, these are the numbers that I have come up with through my own personal experiences in Alliance Battles, and they may not be the same as others. If the trend follows for most players, then 3.3 hours of play for 9k is not much at all. At least the fun factor in Alliance battles it's fun as hell.

edit - So true. My warrior had her 1.5k Gladiators dyed black, only to find that it doesn't dye that well =_=

It still looks great, and I love it a lot more than what the 15k armors for warriors look like.

Haha ... yes, that is all well and good.
But the bigger problem I have, is a slow computer, which usually causes me to lag like no tomorrow during PvP or GvG matches. As such I've never taken the time to try, and if I do, my team usually loses ... haha.
So, yes, people say "well buy a new computer."
Real money's a bigger issue in that regard, seeing as I'm paying for tuition etc. etc. my life story.
Once I get a new computer it will be glorious, however, until then ... I've got to try other farming builds. I'm trying Ettins right now, it's ... odd.
I've found one superior inspiration rune???
Trading in faction for amber does sound nice, but again, computer issues hinder proper PvP play for me. I can try, but it's so hard to learn when you can barely tell what's going on due to the abundance of freezing going on.

HUWAgghhll ..

I got 1.5k the second I got to droknar from Dragon Lair, after Ascending. First time through the game, no running about, never been to FoW or UW. I had plenty to spare even after that, because I did all the quests, explored with hench, wandered about getting drops, etc. And why are you talking as if you can't get to FoW? If there is something blocking you, it's not the game's problem, because everyone else can.

Collector. Collector. Then standard 1.5k, which is not hard to get at all.

Well, you can't just walk into FoW from Ascalon City.
You have to be in a town in The Wilds (don't remember the name, too much Factions, forgot about Prophecies), right? Unless I'm wrong.
If not, then if someone can't get to that town for some unknown reason, they therefore cannot farm FoW?

Didn't really rad much here but, from what I gather is that your saying that GW economy is unfair, well guess what, real life economy isn't any better with inflation and high interest rates, where only rich can afford a Porshe or a Rolex, its just the way of life, and if you want it better you have to work for it, in real life its education and hard work in game its farming and grinding.

Yeah yeah.
As much as you're right, I like to think that video games -- much the same as books -- are something to take us away from that reality.
But no, you're right.
It's just irritating wanting money and not having it, and having a hard time getting it. Which is also true to real life.
But yeah.
A rant is also a rant, I was aggrivated at the time and went a little overboard so, a lot of the points people have made against me are respectable in that sense.
Regardless though, it would be nice to have a lot of money in GW for once haha.

Ah! I can't believe I forgot about collectors! Why pay 15k for your whole armor set when you can simply pay about 2.5k to purchase the items needed to get them. Or better yet, explore for the collector bits!

It's in Kryta, and it's a 10 minute run at the most for a run. 30 minutes or so if you fight there to the Temple of Ages. If they wished to get to that city, then it shouldn't be too hard. There's nothing stopping them, unless you think that a level 18 or so Necrid Horseman can destroy you. If that happens, then you shouldn't be going to the Fissure of Woe in the first place.

Well, I totally agree with you on the difficulty of getting funds when first starting on the Noob Island. If I didn't have money from my Prophecies account, I would have probbly gone through a few characters just on that island to get one up and going.

And for farming, you dont even have to spend a whole hour on it. 30 min of farming minotaurs (to get horns) and you can get a few plat. Just take the horns and give em to the trader outside Augry and salvage the armor he gives you. Sell that to the material trader or to people and, boom, a few more plat in the bank. Rinse and repeat as much as you want or go do other stuff.

A little off topic: My personal record for a complete run from pressing "Start Mission" to coming back into town on a mino run is 2min 15sec with my war. I'll tell you the build I use if you want (only Matix411).

Also, whenver you're in the market for a new comp, please pm me. I'll help you build one and get a good price. I can make a rig that as good as any of the Dell XPS models for about half the price.

Only reason you can't get to FoW or UW is if you're not ascended or closer to the starts.. Admitedly, in prophecies, you get to temple of ages (if you bother with the quests) before you ascend.

edit:
My mes does it in 1:45 mins

LOL. True ...

hahaha
The build sounds great, and in regards to the computer, a friend said the same thing to me a few days ago haha, but if the chance arises I may just do that. I'd rather a custom PC anyway.

PS. I hate Dell.

Only Matix411? Fine, I'll just go to the farming section of this forum to find a build just as fast of even faster. Oh boy, my SS/55 Monk!

Okay consider this, I still have my new Warrior and Necro’ characters almost completely through with factions (2 more missions and a few more quests); and yet I still have the original armor from the beginning. All you have to do is measure your greed, look at things that run at high prices and sell them to the highest bidder. It’s all about supply and demand if you think about it. I know, for a fact that I will never buy into some thing that’s way over price like the obsidian armor. Your right it’s ridiculous how much time and effort you have to spend to getting there. However think of this when Nightfall comes out, analyze how much the cost will be for the brand new armor, and the new materials that go into it. Whatever you do don’t use the materials, sell them first and make tons of money. Then when the prices hit rock bottom spend away, but be wise how you do it.

Some people have alternative methods of getting money like the 55 monk-ing of the underworld. Farming in certain places (I really want to call it fishing not farming) that have some really great locations. Furthermore there are those runners who step up to certain location for a price. Due up research on other alternatives to getting gold, it’s actually quite simple and easy at times.

Fissure of Woe armor is not over priced. It is a status thing in the game and you'd better damn well show you can get money if you wear it.

What's next, you calling a big-ass mansion overpriced because you can't buy it?

Only gonna comment on one part.. the gold issue. Ive only had the game about a month and a half. And I easily have earned over 800k. I dont even play tons. In my first 2 weeks, I had over 300k. All I do is buy items, ie: vics axe, totem axe, -50 cesta.. for cheaper than they want. and resell. Earlier today, in about hour to an hour and a half, I made 150k. Lucky on that one, but i usually make around 50k-75k a day if I try. I dont play all day eithor, around 2 hours or so.... just puttin my little say in

And there you have it, a power trader.

Congratulations, imyouridol.

But what I don't understand is there are free and cheap solutions that work fine as max armors. the other armors are what could be called vanity armors... So they are optional.

You can get max collector armor in cantha or the desert of prophecies if you wish... Its maxed out armor and works great. and costs NOTHING...

The Armor in Kaineng is max armor and relatively cheap ... Much like droks armor really... Has some veriaty in stats and buffs between the 3 skins available as well. I think I equipped a guy recently that needed some help out of monastery for in the neighborhood of 12k full set... and most of that was for steel... so ... IDK. I see your point. but there are other options to 15k armors.. Those are still 100% optional as far as anyone is concerned... If you got gold to waste, great.. knock yourself out... But if not... Use the other solutions available to you till you can afford it. That's all I'm saying...

Well the armor does cost a lot so someone with nothing, but if you do all the quests on the pre searing island you should easily have enough cash to get the max stuff.
I found with my rit that by the time it left the pre searing island it had more than enough cash to get the max armor without needing to touch storage.
Also someone mentioned collectors, why not use them?

One more spam post and this thread is closed.

The two characters I started in Shing Jea did have a money deficit after purchasing their Seitung Harbor armor. Both characters, however had no problems after completing a half dozen quests on the mainland. I don't think my Prophecies characters had any such money problems.

Perhaps, for those who don't want to borrow money from other players, a NPC loan shark can be placed in Seitung and Kaineng. A maximum of 5k (with a repayment of 6k) per account can be borrowed. And it can only be borrowed if the account has less than 5k. While the account owes money to the loan shark, only the NPC armor crafter and rare/normal material traders will sell items to the player.

I think money is much easier to find in Cantha compared to Prophecies. Also, you can always bring your character to Tyria/Lion's Arch if you do not have enough money for Kaineng armors.

Also, do not forget the collectors armor available. Unlike those in Tyria, collector items are MUCH easier to get. I mean, right outside the Marketplace, you can get yourself a max armor piece by trading in 5x Jade Bracelets. And there are 6 Jade Knights right outside of the Marketplace. You might say that you might die trying to kill them BUT you have 7 henchies who are all level 20 that can help you kill them. If you can't kill them, buy the needed collector items for ONLY 100gp. So each piece will cost you only 500gp.

And from the looks of it, your warrior is wearing the 1.5K Kurzick. Those are pretty expensive, so you must not be that broke.

i, too, had to budget myself to afford my first set of droks and the run there, when i first got my knights armor i was so proud of myself.
virtually everyone who receives no assistance is going to have to budget to afford armor in ch2, and ch1 if you jump forward and geta droks run.
this is one of the many complaints people have about ch2; the game advances you too quickly. whereas in prophecies if you didnt skip missions and did some quests here and there you would have more than enough money to get droks, most people got the run, which, when i got it, was a standard price of 6k a person, and could go as high as 10k if one was desperate.
but, in the grand scheme of things, its nowhere near as bad as other games. if you ever played anyof the final fantasy's, diablo1, diablo2, etc you'd see that GW is one of the, if not THE least farm-intensive rpg ever made. in other games you would have to farm endless hours to get equipment thats barely adequete, and more often than not, wont make that much of a difference anyway since the foes can still overpower you in secconds. in gw if you take your time, do quests, do the missions, budget propperly and dont rush yourself, you (theoretically) wont have to farm anything.
true, getting damask at low lvls is very difficult, and you'll usually have to end up buying it from other players, but regardless, you should have a decent amount of money.

the main problem with cantha is while you actually get more money ina shorter timespan, by the time you leave the newb island you'll ahve been offered something on the lines of 6 different places to get new armor, and if you buy a new set at each location in turn, you'll be broke.
in general i'll get new armor at the monestary, and then shing jea island, and nothing inbetweeen, to save money...and i dont even need to save money; its just the point of the matter.

Just a little something that made me laugh but off topic, you dont like how valuable items are expensive? If they werent expensive they wouldnt be valuable now would they?

Now more on topic, 6.6k alot of money for someone playing since october? I dont know what you have been wasting your money on. I can get 7k just from doing a couple missions and picking up all the loot that drops and sell/salvage it. Now I dont play pve. I play for 1 day about every 2-3 months when Im really really bored. I still have 200k sitting around.

What you need to do to get money is dont waste it. Pick up everything and sell it. Use your brain and play the market to earn money. Its your fault that you dont have money, because you dont know how and you dont bother trying to even attempt to think about how you could get money. Just because you cant get 100k drops every hour doesnt mean getting money is impossible.

You dont need kurzick/luxon armor. You dont need a 20/20 sword of uber 1337ness. You dont even need max damage weapons. It is fair that they have fow armor and you dont. You expect to log on and have vanity items that dont make a difference except for the fact that you want them. (real numbers not used) I could buy a DVD player for $50 to play my DVDs, or I could buy the red DVD player for $200 dollars that is no different except for the fact it is red and I like the color red. But oh noes, I dont have $200 dollars!! looks like I will have to use the $50 DVD player. 1.5k is no worse than 15k of fow armor. Crystalline sword wont hit for more than a short sword.

And by the way, please get over your stereotype that almost anyone that has money is an ebay'er

Money in Cantha was never a problem for me, even without getting materials/money from other characters. On my first Canthan character (assassin) I had no trouble affording armor from Kaineng Center or Seitung Harbor. I just did all the quests, cashed in commendations, and didn't buy the 50g armor in the Monastery, as it's quickly replaced, and a waste of time. When I got to Kaineng Center I was about 2k short, but the quests there give so much money I just did a few easy quests, and had the money within an hour. This was also before I realized that I could get Krytan/Tyrian armor outside of Kaineng that was cheaper than even the Shing Jea stuff. Had I gotten that I might not have even had to do those initial quests.

I'm trying to equate this to something in real life but keep laughing. *sigh*

Just moved out of parents house after graduating school, got minimum wage
job at MickyD's because I didn't want to have to "grind" through a collage
education.
Cash my first $250. pay check. Go to the bank and tell them I want a house...
Gimme money!.... now! The security guards pick me up by the scruff of the
neck and proceed to toss my butt out the door. "Why doesn't the government
provide me with all the money I want" I cry.
So I gather myself up and work for a few more weeks while staying at frinds
places for a while. Finally make enough for a months rent, go to rent an
apartment... security deposit?, first and last months rent in advance? ...
I have to pay my own utilities?.... and THEY all what security deposits too??
But what about food... and I wanted a full wardrobe.
I want a new car too.... Arggg!
Why doesn't someone give me all the money I want!?!?

I don't know where I'm going with this. I'm sorry.

All my characters had collectors armor and equipment all the way through
to the end of the game because I didn't want to farm for money. I never had
a problem with it.

Having both Prophecies and Factions and playing the game since May 05 I can tell you that money seems to be easier to get in Factions then it was in Prophecies. The quests in Prophecies gave you skills, which was good because if you were broke do a quest and wahla you have that skill that you needed. Factions as everyone knows you do a quest you get some kind of tradeable reward + money, meaning if you're strapped for cash, do some questing it's easy money and xp. The part where factions is messed up IMHO, is there aren't any skills quest, so you have to purchase the skills in which you need and if you're broke and can not afford a skill, do a few quests and you'll get 1 plat, this is an alternative to the farming grind.

Next thing, alternate your farming areas to decrease the boredom, if you repeatidly farm 1 area you'll get bored fast, or at least i do, so i switch it up. Also you don't have to consistantly PvP for faction, there are quests in which you can do that are repeatable. 1 example House of Brauer or whatever the name of it was, 150-250gold 2000xp and 450 faction points do that a few times, you get 1000 kurzick faction == 1 amber chunk == ~1plat depending on the price at the time Not to mention the gold that you recieve as well for doing the quest, and you can do this quest with henchies or with a group.

Now I agree completely that for some one who has Factions only and just created their first character that money will be hard to come across at first but once you get all your bags and pouches and holding runes, it's called picking up ALL your loot and IDing Blues and such then sell to the merchant. I don't know now if the cave (where the grasps were) during the dragonfestival or the area in which the Yeti's were during the first quest of dragonfestival are still dropping golds at a good rate, but those two areas did drop an excessive amount of gold rares during the dragonfestival, and for a newb player those two areas would be the best areas to farm for the chance of gold rare drops, as some had perfect mods, try to salvage those perfect mods and you've just made a lot more cash, real fast.

I just can't stand when people get on here complaining about how hard it is to make money, I myself used to think that same way, then I realized actually how easily money is to obtain in this game. Now the OP said for rich people to keep their mouths shut and I'll tell you this much, it took me 13 months to finally reach 1million gold in game, you just have to have patience and guess the market for what's hot and what's not. As far as paying 100k+ for skins on weapons, no one is making you buy those "desirable" skins. Hell, if you look around there are other perfect weapons for sell all the time, one of my guildies has a req 8 Great Axe and it's a 15^50% perfect mods which he can't sell for 100k+ simply because it's not a desirable skin. Also if your in a guild which can't help you out with missions and gold from time to time, you need to seriously look around for a better guild, as there are many guilds out there that spend numerous hours helping each other out in any way that they can.

all in all, if your current ways of making money aren't working for you, it's now time to try to find a new way to obtain your money. As another poster mentioned before, check out the farming section here in the forums as there are many good ideas on where what and how to farm, to achieve your goal of maximum money intake and drop intakes quickly and efficently.

I have started many new characters in Cantha, and each time they are able to buy armor at Seitung Harbor using only gold they have earned up to that point. I don't know how you can't afford the armor and materials there. BTW, you CAN get the armor that only requires cloth, you know... When I get to Kaineng, I borrow a few plat from storage to get the armor there plus the runes to go with it, but I don't have to. I could easily stay on the island to do some more quests to get enough gold, but I don't generally do all the quests on every new character.

I now have a lot of gold, and I still don't buy the rare skins that cost so much, simply because I don't need them. If you don't have excessive gold, don't buy vanity items. It's that simple. You can easily make enough gold to play the game simply by playing the game.

Before factions came out, I used desert collector armor for quite a while, as it was max armor, until I had gold to spend on droks. Oh, and I always had all my char slots filled with PvE chars, so it's not like I'm only outfitting one character, either. As others have already said, you can get collector armor in Factions as well.

Quit complaining that you don't have the gold that you're not willing to work to get.

What if you don't have Factions though?

I was speaking in general.

Yes I have 1.5k Kurzick armor, and it took me forever to save and with the help of a generous player when I happened to run myself back to Ascalon in Tyria. It was mainly the help of the other player that got me the armor, because the money he lent me got me the amber I needed. I don't PvP, as I've said, so I cannot gain Faction to trade in for Amber or Jade, thus I have to buy it. And at the time I did buy it, nobody was offering Amber for any cheaper then what the vendor's were offering, that just happened by chance though and was my fault for not waiting for someone who lowered their price.
I also never said directly that I was referring to myself having trouble with 6.6k, yes it is a lot of money for someone who is just starting and wanting to buy base armor. I had a bit of trouble getting it because all my other characters are indeed broke, and I managed to get most of it doing the pre-searing Island quests, but when I went to buy it, I needed more, thus having to save off any drops I got. OR, resorting to farming, which, was another of my main points in that I don't feel I should have to resort to such measures when I want something as 'simple and easy to get' as 6.6k.
6.6k isn't THAT difficult, I just think it's more difficult for some to get than it should be. Ie. people who don't farm, people who are having trouble completing missions and quests etc. Mostly people NEW to the game.
And I've stated that that's what I meant numerous times.

Even if I was having immense problems getting 6.6k (which I don't if I decide to farm, it just takes a while, and yes I realise some can get '5-10k in a couple troll runs etc. that's not the case for me, again, that's just chance) and have been playing since October, that just means I would have a slower learning curve than others. Big deal. Not everyone is blessed with the ability to own at every game they play as soon as they get it.

On top of that, SINCE October, the only main character I've kept is my first warrior, and now my second. All my other characters have been deleted/re-created as others on numerous occasions because I got bored of one and wanted another. That's just simple experimentation, but because I never kept them for long, I've spent more time messing around with character creation than playing the game (in the last few months) and so that's taken away from time that I could have been saving. So yes, the majority of what I do to not gain money is my fault, but I'm not speaking directly about myself when getting to the point. The point was that for newcomers and people who have trouble simply getting through the game, money can be an issue.

Also note that the majority of the people who have posted here have said they have had no problem making money. That's only a few of the general populous of GW. And, true, many people don't have issues making money, but there are a lot of people who do, and I was speaking for them in part.

I also realise that a lot of crap I said, was indeed said with frustration (a rant is a rant) so I've made a lot of statements which have been corrected by previous posts from myself and from others.



PS. In regards to the dude who told me to go Ettin farming, I've started doing so, and found a lot of superiors, but nothing good save a superior healing prayers rune.


Cheers.

[Edit:]
In regards to Swinging Fists' post, I never intended the rant to imply that I myself, and only myself, haven't been working for money that I don't have but want. I try. I farm, I do quests and I do missions, but it never seems to add up for me like it does for others. That is in MY honest opinion. Again, I was mainly trying to relate the point to newcomers, as much as I happened to talk about myself in the rant.
Hence why I just admitted to having said a few statements that have been corrected by myself and others. When I rant, I rant. I am frustrated, as most others are when they rant, thus I say things that are quite often incorrect or 'ridiculous.'

I made a thread a looonnng time ago, featuring this same issue, as I was kinda in the same boat.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=84931

Now, I have loads of money, yays!

As far as armor is concerned, a big difference between Factions and Prophecies is that with Factions, you NEED max armor much sooner in the game than in Prophecies. In Prophecies, when you are new to the game, it will take you quite a while to get to the point in the game where you need the max armor. Armor is sold in Ascalon City when you leave pre-searing, which is perfectly suitable for a good while. As you do quests, you will either accumulate the collectible items to get better collector armor, or enough gold to buy some better armor later. I would suggest, when you get to the desert, get the collector armor there and it will offer protection enough to finish the game. It will not have the bonuses on some of the crafter armor, but I have finished many characters on collector armor, before buying Droks. It's true, it's harder to accumulate gold (without farming) in Prophecies, but it's also true that you don't need as much gold for a longer period of time, either.

I understand where you are coming from. Everybody gets frustrated from time to time.

I've posted this in a few similar threads, so hopefully this helps anyone in Matix's situation...

1. Collectors are your FRIENDS. Don't buy armor/weapons until you get to Kaineng City or Droknar's Forge - get them strictly from collectors. If you don't have the ability or patience to get the collector's materials to get the armor/weapons, go buy the materials from someone else. It's a whole heckuva lot cheaper than crafting your own armor.

2. Don't expert salvage. For a starting character, investing in an expert salvage kit is a huge drain on your finances, especially just for the gamble of getting a rare crafting material. There's a collector right outside of Shing Jea that gives you a normal salvage kit for 3 mantid pincers. Use him.

3. That being said...Know when to salvage. Use your normal salvage kit on (1) enemy armors and (2) items that ID to "highly salvageable". Sell the materials you salvage to the materials trader (or other players if you have the patience) and the rest of your stuff to the merchant.

If you follow those guidelines, I GUARANTEE you that you'll have at least 5K (and more likely 10K) when you leave Shing Jea Island, if you've completed all the quests.

I've followed this philosophy, and have hardly ever farmed ANYTHING in the game, and have quite a tidy sum to show for it.

suggestion:
maybe one of the NPC's will give you a 10k "allowance" when you go from seitung -> Marketplace x_X?

This is y they make collector armor and weapons, cuz u can get em cheap!

you can get a set of max collector armor + perfect weapons, for less then 5k

plus, there are ooooo so many builds out there to make plenty of money to get droks armor; 55 monk, ss necro, famine ranger, get a decent droks running build and do that

people have money cuz they're willing to go out and make it

Matix ur warrior looks like he has 15k??? but even tho i still can't tell the differecen between 1.5k and 15k kurz

Hello Matrix,

I want to first say that you make very valid points on this topic. However, I do not think that any armor is too high priced except for FOW armor in Tyria. Fow armor in my oppinion is ugly and a total waste of money but more power to those who buy my ecto and ob shards.

I quoted Lady Lozza because she makes a very good point here. They make collectors available all over the map for those individuals who can not afford to buy armor. All they need to do is collect the desired items for the collector and they can obtain top armor. True it may not look fancy pants, but it will have the exact stats as the purchasable armor. Also there are plenty of online resources which give exact locations of these npc's on the map.

One point I want to make to you, is about your farm build. If it takes you 2weeks to make 15k you need a new build and a new farm area. There are builds all over this forum for farming. Many that are extremely easy to make and try out. Find one that fits for you and you can easily make 15k in 1 day not 2 weeks.

My second point is the fact of mentioning buying materials and or jade/amber. I believe that Anet makes the game obtainable for anyone driven of reaching or obtaining something. The ones that sit around begging to borrow money are just pathetic and shouldnt even bother playing. Like its everybody elses fault they are lazy?

If you have payed attention enough when you are getting items then you tend to pick up on what items give you certain materials. Alot of items almost always give steal, iron, wood, tan hides etc. The best way to make the most of your drops is to pay attention to salvages and always use expert salvage. For one you will salvage any rarity in the item and two you in most cases recieve more out of things salvaged.

Another huge tip is to use superior ID kits. These last for 100 uses and trust me its 500gp well spent. When you ID things sometimes they either have mods which are worth alot or they become a 250gold item from a 50gold item. I sell every "precious" item I recieve to the merchant. In most cases I only salvage "Highly-Salvagable" items. This means I get more bang for my buck!

Jade and Amber. Well this one is easy. You dont have to buy either of those. That is what Fort Aspenwood, Jade Quarry and Alliance Battles is for. I can easily obtain 30k or more faction with one night of playing and trade it all for Jade or Amber. Theres your answer to those rare materials and its free just takes effort to get faction.

I think most importantly its the people you run with. A good supportive guild will help you to obtain and reach goals you have in mind. I mean ofcourse, nobody should hand you the money you need for armor but helping you with materials needed or doing things together for money earning is great.

My guild apart from most helps eachother out. We have a scratch my back scratch your back policy. Sure we dont give free stuff to everyone all the time but we help eachother reach our goals and most of all teach others how to become indipendant players. We do green farms, UW, fow, SF together often and make plenty of money on our own.

Fact is you have options you just need to explore them.

ha ha! I agree w/ this money rant 100%
Especially when "15k" Kurzick armor ended up costing ...surprise surprise ...not 15k a piece but w/ all the materiasl about 50k a piece!
insanity i tell u!! I had a bunch of gold saved up for my Kurzick necro armor only to be able to affor 1 piece.
bah!

Luna