I got to thinking about Fissure of Woe Armor (FOW), and about how it really means little or nothing anymore. Let's face it anyone with enough money can go on eBay and buy the materials needed, or spend a huge amount of time in the Fissure of Woe killing enough beasties To Make Fissure of Woe Armor. The second option which is the Road less traveled does not necessarily indicate that the wearer of the Armor is any more skilled than to say the average player, rather, it indicates that that person has spent an inordinate amount of time playing in the Fissure of Woe
My point is then how do you really make a set of armor that is recognized globally as being elite.
The solution is actually rather simple, instead of requiring that a person make multiple trip's to a certain location to gather materials from slightly enhanced Denison's, have the quest involve a series of harder and harder missions till a final climactic confrontation with some type of uber powerful creature. To obtain the armor this mission would only have to be done once for each character that wished to gain the armor and each person in the group would get the armor.
The main advantages to this idea are twofold :
1. You would eliminate the selling out materials to make said armor, because in order to reach the Armory where you can get to the armor you would have to complete all of the quest,(No Noobs in elite armor)
2. Elite armor would actually mean something!!!
Please let me know what you think, I for 1 am tired of seeing Noobs wearing FOW armor. It's too late to do anything about that but we can certainly prevent the next elite set of armor from being abused the way that FOW armor has been.
FOW Abuse
Doomslay
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Once something like that comes up, there will be "guiding services" that charges $30 or 500k or something to take them to the armory. For example, if this area allows 8 people, they probably only need 6-7 experienced players to complete it, allowing for 1-2 to come for a "guided service". And trust me, no matter how hard they make it, people will find a way to beat 8-player missions with 6-7 people. (ex. 5-man SF farms, 4-man UW trap, 5-man FoW questing)
CHUIU
What you want harder to get armor to feel more leet and rub it others faces? It's ment to be a money sink and people like you turn it into a status symbol. Just leave the idea of it alone its hard enough for people who cant or refuse to buy gwgold to get it.
Doomslay
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Originally Posted by holymasamune
Once something like that comes up, there will be "guiding services" that charges $30 or 500k or something to take them to the armory. For example, if this area allows 8 people, they probably only need 6-7 experienced players to complete it, allowing for 1-2 to come for a "guided service". And trust me, no matter how hard they make it, people will find a way to beat 8-player missions with 6-7 people. (ex. 5-man SF farms, 4-man UW trap, 5-man FoW questing)
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1: it will take 6 or 7 real people to do it and you can build in protections such as the AI going after the weakest party member.
2: I seriously doubt that a multiple mission senario as I descibed would be profitable.
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Originally Posted by CHUIU
What you want harder to get armor to feel more leet and rub it others faces? It's ment to be a money sink and people like you turn it into a status symbol. Just leave the idea of it alone its hard enough for people who cant or refuse to buy gwgold to get it.
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Zinger314
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Originally Posted by Doomslay
no I want armor that people without money and/or endless hours griding away can get by truely showing thier skill at the game !!!
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Avarre
If you 'truly have skill' then you won't need armor to show it, because people would notice your name, and that would be your status symbol.
Doomslay
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Originally Posted by Avarre
If you 'truly have skill' then you won't need armor to show it, because people would notice your name, and that would be your status symbol.
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Oh really I suppose that is why PVPers Have emotes ?
Herzeleid359
I agree with Avarre, if you have droks armor on and you beat a guy with FoW armor on, i feel that you actually shown as more elite than if you have FoW and beat a guy with FoW, plus in alliance battles you could say in public chat how you owned a dude with FoW gear with your Droks stuff, armor isnt status, skills are status!
lyra_song
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Oh really I suppose that is why PVPers Have emotes ?
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Grinding =/= Skill
Grinding = Grinding
Skill = Skill
lagrand1
What the op is talking about is a way to show your accomplishments. If only they had something like badges or titles to show it...
Stockholm
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Originally Posted by CHUIU
What you want harder to get armor to feel more leet and rub it others faces? It's ment to be a money sink and people like you turn it into a status symbol. Just leave the idea of it alone its hard enough for people who cant or refuse to buy gwgold to get it.
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There is plenty of ppl selling FoW armour run's on E-bay including Ectos and shards needed for a complet set.
lishi
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Oh really I suppose that is why PVPers Have emotes ?
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many time some low ranked guy get invited to high ranked team becouse someone trusted him.
Doomslay
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Originally Posted by lagrand1
What the op is talking about is a way to show your accomplishments. If only they had something like badges or titles to show it...
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I remember Gaile saying at one of her many Lions Arch events that there would be PVE emotes (yeah right) anyway I just think a really hard set of accomplishment tied together with a impressive reward ( that is hard or impossible to cheat and get) would be something worthy of me spending the time to do it.
And BTW I have neither bought or taken the time to gather the matterials to get a set of FOW as a matter of fact I donated over 80 Ectos to my guild for a FOW armor contest without entering ( simply because as a status symbol it has no meaning)
Zinger314
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What the op is talking about is a way to show your accomplishments. If only they had something like badges or titles to show it...
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I remember Gaile saying at one of her many Lions Arch events that there would be PVE emotes (yeah right) anyway I just think a really hard set of accomplishment tied together with a impressive reward ( that is hard or impossible to cheat and get) would be something worthy of me spending the time to do it.
And BTW I have neither bought or taken the time to gather the matterials to get a set of FOW as a matter of fact I donated over 80 Ectos to my guild for a FOW armor contest without entering ( simply because as a status sysmbol it has no meaning) |
Doomslay
titles are meaniless as far as I can see unless you want everyone to know how much money you spent on dwarvin(sp?) ale.
Zinger314
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titles are meaniless as far as I can see unless you want everyone to know how much money you spent on dwarvin(sp?) ale.
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xiaotsu
...Yay more people to say "OMFG I GOT *insert armor name* YOU NOOBS SUCK! I PWN JOO ALL! HAHAHAHAHA I R TEH UBER MENDING WAMMO!!!!1"
No thanks.
Don't try to make an argument against what I said, it's what would happen and you know it.
No thanks.
Don't try to make an argument against what I said, it's what would happen and you know it.
Cacheelma
is it just me or you're complaining about how you don't have enough money to buy the armor (and maybe some other stuff)?
It's one thing to not admiring those who have the armor, but it's completely another thing to say it sucks because you can't get it.
On topic, the armor is fine as it is. As someone said, it's just a money sink.
It's one thing to not admiring those who have the armor, but it's completely another thing to say it sucks because you can't get it.
On topic, the armor is fine as it is. As someone said, it's just a money sink.
Doomslay
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And the Cartographer titles...and the Protector titles...
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And even though I have the Protector title on multiple chars Ive been told by the leet PVPers that they could do them blindfolded with one hand while being shocked by a monkey.
Poison Ivy
^Bingo, we have a winner.
Cacheelma that is.
Cacheelma that is.
Crispie
Unfortunately "high level areas" means "ok follow this EXACTLY and you'll finish it", its more about how well you can follow instructions over how well you can think up strategys and play on demand. Id like to see a mission that has several variants and somehow forces the player to think on demand. Maybe some AI that are not as dumb as bricks?
Doomslay
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is it just me or you're complaining about how you don't have enough money to buy the armor (and maybe some other stuff)?
It's one thing to not admiring those who have the armor, but it's completely another thing to say it sucks because you can't get it. On topic, the armor is fine as it is. As someone said, it's just a money sink. |
Damit dude read my post I have had ALL the nessassary items multiple times but it dont mean a thing when I could have bought it all on ebay anyway sheeesh!
Doomslay
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Unfortunately "high level areas" means "ok follow this EXACTLY and you'll finish it", its more about how well you can follow instructions over how well you can think up strategys and play on demand. Id like to see a mission that has several variants and somehow forces the player to think on demand. Maybe some AI that are not as dumb as bricks?
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Zinger314
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Damit dude read my post I have had ALL the nessassary items multiple times but it dont mean a thing when I could have bought it all on ebay anyway sheeesh!
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lyra_song
Obsidian Armor means one thing: You have gold/ectos/shards to spend.
Making it harder to get doesnt change that fact that someone will find a way to get it efficienly and farm it to shit.
Its a money sink, it always has been. its not a badge of skill or "leetness".
Making it harder to get doesnt change that fact that someone will find a way to get it efficienly and farm it to shit.
Its a money sink, it always has been. its not a badge of skill or "leetness".
Eet GnomeSmasher
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I for 1 am tired of seeing Noobs wearing FOW armor.
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Second, How would changing the way you get FOW prevent so called noobs from getting the armor too?
Cacheelma
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It means you look good.
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On the other hand, GW also doesn't give you anything much if you prefer wearing oh-so-expensive-yet-sometimes-look-bad FoW armor. It's just you and your own style.
Take some of those titles/armors as examples, survivor title is admirable to someone, but not to me and someone else because of some reasons (let's not going into that). And as you said, I and some other people admire those who have FoW armor, but you don't because some of your reasons.
Even if Anet introduces something unique, some people who couldn't get the thing would still complain and belittling those who could. So, what's the point?
Doomslay
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Arrrggg You dont read do you :
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I for 1 am tired of seeing Noobs wearing FOW armor. [\QUOTE]
First of all, does it really matter that "noobs" are wearing FOW armor? If wearing a type of armor is your way of feeling "elite" then well I dont know what to tell you... Second, How would changing the way you get FOW prevent so called noobs from getting the armor too? |
Arrrggg You dont read do you :
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It's too late to do anything about that but we can certainly prevent the next elite set of armor from being abused the way that FOW armor has been.
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Maria The Princess
what is the problem with fow armor?...............
no matter what ANET does there will be n00bs and ebayers tha twill get a hold of it. and wanna know what i think? "elite" armors were made ONLY to show off your "financial status" in the game, this is why they have the same mods as 1.5k armors. so yes if omeone wants to show off how rotch they are they buy the armnor for that.
show off skill? well you have the titles, /rank, and common cence. what do you want? when you in town ppl gather around you and /cheer?
anyways, its just anouter flaming thread......
no matter what ANET does there will be n00bs and ebayers tha twill get a hold of it. and wanna know what i think? "elite" armors were made ONLY to show off your "financial status" in the game, this is why they have the same mods as 1.5k armors. so yes if omeone wants to show off how rotch they are they buy the armnor for that.
show off skill? well you have the titles, /rank, and common cence. what do you want? when you in town ppl gather around you and /cheer?
anyways, its just anouter flaming thread......
Doomslay
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Obsidian Armor means one thing: You have gold/ectos/shards to spend.
Making it harder to get doesnt change that fact that someone will find a way to get it efficienly and farm it to shit. Its a money sink, it always has been. its not a badge of skill or "leetness". |
Doomslay
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what is the problem with fow armor?...............
anyways, its just anouter flaming thread...... |
I certainly did not start it as one but boy Im burning hot now!!
sinican
do people still consider 15k armors "elite" in the first place...
ever since ive played the game ive always felt that you just had to pay more for cooler looking skins... hence why they are harder to get...
i don't get into these "elite" clichs...
just cuz u have rare anything doesn't say elite in my mind it just shows that the person is fortunate...
it really only takes a few good drops to turn around into enough money to afford these luxuries... and any newb has the same chance to be fortunate as the most experienced addictive player in GW
ever since ive played the game ive always felt that you just had to pay more for cooler looking skins... hence why they are harder to get...
i don't get into these "elite" clichs...
just cuz u have rare anything doesn't say elite in my mind it just shows that the person is fortunate...
it really only takes a few good drops to turn around into enough money to afford these luxuries... and any newb has the same chance to be fortunate as the most experienced addictive player in GW
crystalklear64
Put a 3 fold requirement on entering said area to get the armor. A set amount of exp is needed, a set amount of time played on that character is needed, and a set amount of time for having that character created is needed.
So, only those with (sample numbers) 2 Million Exp, 300 Hours on their character, and a 6 month lifespan on their character, could enter this area in addition to the requirements you already put in place. Yes, I know none of those alone are measurements of skill or whatever, but if you add all three of those, chances are people will play their character enough to kill the 6 month time span (added to prevent afking while logged in to hit the 300 hour mark) and while playing for 6 months a normal person playing 2 hours a day can easily make that. The exp is added so that the person had to have at least gone outside and either killed or watched someone kill some monsters.
So, only those with (sample numbers) 2 Million Exp, 300 Hours on their character, and a 6 month lifespan on their character, could enter this area in addition to the requirements you already put in place. Yes, I know none of those alone are measurements of skill or whatever, but if you add all three of those, chances are people will play their character enough to kill the 6 month time span (added to prevent afking while logged in to hit the 300 hour mark) and while playing for 6 months a normal person playing 2 hours a day can easily make that. The exp is added so that the person had to have at least gone outside and either killed or watched someone kill some monsters.
Griff Mon
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Once something like that comes up, there will be "guiding services" that charges $30 or 500k or something to take them to the armory. For example, if this area allows 8 people, they probably only need 6-7 experienced players to complete it, allowing for 1-2 to come for a "guided service". And trust me, no matter how hard they make it, people will find a way to beat 8-player missions with 6-7 people. (ex. 5-man SF farms, 4-man UW trap, 5-man FoW questing)
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Cacheelma
Ok let me try to counter some of your points I could find
I'd still imagine some good guild groups could be able to drag his friends' "newly-made character" through all these quests and what not, and get the armor in the end.
And then his friend happens to be a complete jerk, and can't really listen to the team/do whatever he's supposed to be doing, and also happens to love PUG-ing, with your oh-so-leet armor on himself as well.
So much for leet armor on non-noob huh?
Nope, see above. Or try wearing Canthan 15k set instead. But that'd still mean nothing.
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The solution is actually rather simple, instead of requiring that a person make multiple trip's to a certain location to gather materials from slightly enhanced Denison's, have the quest involve a series of harder and harder missions till a final climactic confrontation with some type of uber powerful creature. To obtain the armor this mission would only have to be done once for each character that wished to gain the armor and each person in the group would get the armor.
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And then his friend happens to be a complete jerk, and can't really listen to the team/do whatever he's supposed to be doing, and also happens to love PUG-ing, with your oh-so-leet armor on himself as well.
So much for leet armor on non-noob huh?
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1. You would eliminate the selling out materials to make said armor, because in order to reach the Armory where you can get to the armor you would have to complete all of the quest,(No Noobs in elite armor)
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Maria The Princess
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Originally Posted by crystalklear64
Put a 3 fold requirement on entering said area to get the armor. A set amount of exp is needed, a set amount of time played on that character is needed, and a set amount of time for having that character created is needed.
So, only those with (sample numbers) 2 Million Exp, 300 Hours on their character, and a 6 month lifespan on their character, could enter this area in addition to the requirements you already put in place. Yes, I know none of those alone are measurements of skill or whatever, but if you add all three of those, chances are people will play their character enough to kill the 6 month time span (added to prevent afking while logged in to hit the 300 hour mark) and while playing for 6 months a normal person playing 2 hours a day can easily make that. The exp is added so that the person had to have at least gone outside and either killed or watched someone kill some monsters. |
#1-6 month lifespan on their character: buy a used account with an old character
#2-2 Million Exp: alot of PWR lvl or see #1
#3-300 hour: afk or see #1
Doomslay
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Originally Posted by sinican
do people still consider 15k armors "elite" in the first place...
ever since ive played the game ive always felt that you just had to pay more for cooler looking skins... hence why they are harder to get... i don't get into these "elite" clichs... just cuz u have rare anything doesn't say elite in my mind it just shows that the person is fortunate... it really only takes a few good drops to turn around into enough money to afford these luxuries... and any newb has the same chance to be fortunate as the most experienced addictive player in GW |
Cacheelma
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to an ebayer it sounds like this:
#1-6 month lifespan on their character: buy a used account with an old character #2-2 Million Exp: alot of PWR lvl or see #1 #3-300 hour: afk or see #1 |
And then we would see another thread titled "l33t armor Abuse". Rinse and repeat.
Doomslay
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*Giggles*
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your argument sounds a lot like the one's used by people that don't want to change the social security system, everyone admits there's a problem but doesn't want to change the status quo, okay so what's your suggestion????
Dr Strangelove
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Oh really I suppose that is why PVPers Have emotes ?
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