I wrote this email to the GM's and they told me to post it on here, so here it is =P
Dear GM,
With the coming of Guild Wars: Factions, the Title system has been implemented.
Yet there is one title which isn't created in a fair way: the survivor title.
The survivor title is for people who get 140.000 Experience without dying, but
that counts only for their FIRST 140.000 Experience. I think there should be
some extra text to the "/deaths" command saying something like You have died
XXXXX times, You have gained XXXXX experience without dying.
If you gain 140.000 Experience without dying that way you should be getting the
Survivor title.
Otherwise no older characters can ever get the survivor title, which in my
opinion is quite unfair.
I thank you already,
Angelic Girl/Holy Torment/Sweet Atrocity
What do you think?
[Suggestion] Survivor Titles For Older Characters
Angelic Girl
Xenrath
I'd like to see the /deaths must be 0 restriction removed as well. It is unfair you must create a new character and then get 140k xp to get the first tier. Characters created before this title was introduced will never have any shot at it, unless they never died beforehand. "xxxxxx xp since last dying" sounds good to me!
Ajantis
Same, would be very nice if they implemented that 
Sekkira
I'd say older chars before the title was implemented should be given that shot but say a one shot thing as in "From now on you have your chance, if you die, well that's it". The survivor title is meant to be survivor, meaning not dying.
I'd love survivor on my ranger, it would suit. There's noway I'd remake though just for that considering the amount of ectos and gold I've dropped on those perfect weapons which I customised.
I'd love survivor on my ranger, it would suit. There's noway I'd remake though just for that considering the amount of ectos and gold I've dropped on those perfect weapons which I customised.
Big_Iron
/signed
thrashbasket
/notsigned
if it wasn't like it is now, everyone and the cat would have it
if it wasn't like it is now, everyone and the cat would have it
The truth itself
/signed
Good thoughts.
Good thoughts.
EPO Bot
Dont really care since i die all the time 
Loralai
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/notsigned
if it wasn't like it is now, everyone and the cat would have it |
/signed.
Dien
/signed.
Good idea.
Good idea.
Pentagonal_Penguin
I think this is a bad idea. The title is supposed to reward those who can take a new level 1 character, and get 140600, 587500 or 1337500 experience without dying at all. This is very difficult, you need to do some of the harder missions (Like Vizunah) to get to the big exp quests and elites on the other side.
If we allow older characters to get it, it will then be 'unfair' on newer characters, because they will have to fight through such hard missions, whereas someone who had a lvl 20 pre-factions will not need to.
What will the result of the unfairness complaint from this be? That each character can choose when their survivor streak starts? I hope it is fairly obvious that this is a silly idea.
(Even some of the earlier quests/missions are dangerous to a low-level character, eg Zen Daijun can kill a would-be survivor if they're not careful)
/notsigned
If we allow older characters to get it, it will then be 'unfair' on newer characters, because they will have to fight through such hard missions, whereas someone who had a lvl 20 pre-factions will not need to.
What will the result of the unfairness complaint from this be? That each character can choose when their survivor streak starts? I hope it is fairly obvious that this is a silly idea.
(Even some of the earlier quests/missions are dangerous to a low-level character, eg Zen Daijun can kill a would-be survivor if they're not careful)
/notsigned
Kidney Licker
/unsigned.
Having made multiple attempts and still trying on the survivor title it's really not that fun. Glad to leave it behind when I die.
Bringing extra defensive skills, quitting quests when the group aggro's wrong, avoiding PvP, depending on luck (i.e effect of lag),farming experience points, not being able to experiment on builds, blech.
Instead of aiming for survivor titles people should just 55hp farm for 1 million gold after they've finished the game.
I like the idea of some kind of reward for not dying though, and wouldn't mind some kind of bonus whenever you complete some task/quest without dying.
Having made multiple attempts and still trying on the survivor title it's really not that fun. Glad to leave it behind when I die.
Bringing extra defensive skills, quitting quests when the group aggro's wrong, avoiding PvP, depending on luck (i.e effect of lag),farming experience points, not being able to experiment on builds, blech.
Instead of aiming for survivor titles people should just 55hp farm for 1 million gold after they've finished the game.
I like the idea of some kind of reward for not dying though, and wouldn't mind some kind of bonus whenever you complete some task/quest without dying.
JiggyFly
/signed, it's unfair that none of my existing characters never got a shot at it.
Xenrath
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Originally Posted by Pentagonal_Penguin
I think this is a bad idea. The title is supposed to reward those who can take a new level 1 character, and get 140600, 587500 or 1337500 experience without dying at all. This is very difficult, you need to do some of the harder missions (Like Vizunah) to get to the big exp quests and elites on the other side.
If we allow older characters to get it, it will then be 'unfair' on newer characters, because they will have to fight through such hard missions, whereas someone who had a lvl 20 pre-factions will not need to. What will the result of the unfairness complaint from this be? That each character can choose when their survivor streak starts? I hope it is fairly obvious that this is a silly idea. (Even some of the earlier quests/missions are dangerous to a low-level character, eg Zen Daijun can kill a would-be survivor if they're not careful) /notsigned |
Don't believe me? Make a new Canthan character. Do all the Shing Jea quests, you'll leave the Island about level 18. A few more side quests and you hit level 20 without ever doing any mainland missions (and thus get Survivor)
It's so laughably easy with a new character, I've done it twice now in around 8 hours. It can probably be done faster even. First time with an assassin of all things. The second time I did it a Ritualist and henchies even (got Masters on the Shing Jea missions easily)
Older characters will not have that advantage since they can't pick up an easy 140k xp just from beginner quests, and chances are probably already done a number of the missions. If anything it will be a bit harder, because probably already done missions and quests with your old character so no easy 1-3k rewards.
Clone
/notsigned
I do agree with the spirit of the request. This is unfair to older characters. But, the people going for this title haven't always been the best to take along in a group.
Resurrect skills were put in the game for a reason. You can recover from the death of somebody in the party. But if some survivor type logs off because things aren't going the way they want them to, it becomes a burden on the team. If people could restart this at any time, we'd have more people going for this title, and probably more party drop outs. This wouldn't be something I'd want to see happen.
I do agree with the spirit of the request. This is unfair to older characters. But, the people going for this title haven't always been the best to take along in a group.
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Xenrath
That's a different debate though, one which I happen to agree with personally i.e. showing much less preference to taking Survivors in party. That's really nothing to do with allowing older characters to have a shot at it though, that's a debate about Survivor exisiting in the first place 
Riplox
/signed
Aside from the KOABD and the drunkard titles, this looks to be one of the more difficult titles to get. I'm doing ok so far with my one char but I would like a shot at it with my other characters since they've all been created before the implementation of titles.
Aside from the KOABD and the drunkard titles, this looks to be one of the more difficult titles to get. I'm doing ok so far with my one char but I would like a shot at it with my other characters since they've all been created before the implementation of titles.
Faith the Insane
\signed
I think that would be a wonderful idea
I think that would be a wonderful idea
prism2525
If it wasn't for powerleveling this title could mean something. but as it is just being powerleveled to hell.
-LiamB
/signed
-LiamB
-LiamB
Sakashi
Two reasons why i hate this title :
1. There is no point in making a new character just for this title when its character based and not account based.
2. And It's unachievable for 99% of the characters already created, who have died many times before this title was even introduced!
So yes, i would like to see the survivor titles obtainable to characters who can reach the amount of exp needed without dieing and not just the first time.
If that change would upset too many survivor title holders, then i would like to see the title changed to account based.
1. There is no point in making a new character just for this title when its character based and not account based.
2. And It's unachievable for 99% of the characters already created, who have died many times before this title was even introduced!
So yes, i would like to see the survivor titles obtainable to characters who can reach the amount of exp needed without dieing and not just the first time.
If that change would upset too many survivor title holders, then i would like to see the title changed to account based.
Sekkira
Just a note, with my mesmer if my team goes down, I'm the last one standing and res sig already used, I may as well quit out.
Fist_of_God
/signed
Bartuc Galadwor
/signed
I have been waiting for them to change this since day one. I only want it on my main character but he already has some deaths. Please change it as it is really unfair the way it is now.
I have been waiting for them to change this since day one. I only want it on my main character but he already has some deaths. Please change it as it is really unfair the way it is now.
Taken
There was nothing to prevent us from running a charecter with no deaths before the survivor title. Why should we get a reset now?
Maybe as compensation our old chars could get a death title. I'd love a title to record how many times my toons have died.
Maybe as compensation our old chars could get a death title. I'd love a title to record how many times my toons have died.
Riplox
That would be too easy unless you have some insanely huse number of deaths to get to. There is at least one person that I know of that has died 1 million times. LOL they win if there is a death title.
EagleEye33
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Sorry but there's plenty of holes in that argument. It is actually easier to get Survivor with a brand new character, especially Canthan.
Don't believe me? Make a new Canthan character. Do all the Shing Jea quests, you'll leave the Island about level 18. A few more side quests and you hit level 20 without ever doing any mainland missions (and thus get Survivor) It's so laughably easy with a new character, I've done it twice now in around 8 hours. It can probably be done faster even. First time with an assassin of all things. The second time I did it a Ritualist and henchies even (got Masters on the Shing Jea missions easily) Older characters will not have that advantage since they can't pick up an easy 140k xp just from beginner quests, and chances are probably already done a number of the missions. If anything it will be a bit harder, because probably already done missions and quests with your old character so no easy 1-3k rewards. |
Well said...nuff said
Carinae
/signed
Bane of Worlds
/signed
Scavenger Rage
I agree as well..
Maybe something death related would sane both problems...
The way i see you would have to get an amount of XP for each time you died, of course, without dieing again on the process, which would "reset" the title. Maybe not direct relation (otherwise if u died 100 times the 140 000xp would get 2 "pretty" extra zeros and the title would be almost unreachable ^^) but some sort of relation would solve all the problems about the title, not only making it more fun and challenging to obtain, but also not punishing old characters, AND at the same way not ruining the title for people that already created a new char to get it.
It would also be less punitive, SO if u had 100 000 XP and died once, you don’t have to delete or char or anything like it to obtain the title, you would just start over getting XP from the scratch with a penalty to it.
Later.
Maybe something death related would sane both problems...
The way i see you would have to get an amount of XP for each time you died, of course, without dieing again on the process, which would "reset" the title. Maybe not direct relation (otherwise if u died 100 times the 140 000xp would get 2 "pretty" extra zeros and the title would be almost unreachable ^^) but some sort of relation would solve all the problems about the title, not only making it more fun and challenging to obtain, but also not punishing old characters, AND at the same way not ruining the title for people that already created a new char to get it.
It would also be less punitive, SO if u had 100 000 XP and died once, you don’t have to delete or char or anything like it to obtain the title, you would just start over getting XP from the scratch with a penalty to it.
Later.
Marth Reynolds
/signed, it's a good way to give people a chance for survivor title without having to remake their old characters with expensive armor and weopons etc.
lofblad
/signed
Great idea, I would go for it right away and probably play even more.
Great idea, I would go for it right away and probably play even more.
Vel Satis
/notsigned
Would make the 'survivor' title worthless.
Would make the 'survivor' title worthless.
luxor9
/unsigned
for the simple reason I don't need to see 150 MO/W survivors. That will happen and that's why it is like it is now. Starting at lvl 20 and going for survivor is lame.. You already have the best gear and elite skills wow would be real hard to go kill trolls and mino's.
It's a stupid title, I have it on my necro and I've never been asked about it and I don't dance while I afk so people will look at me. As it is now it's pretty hard to do, it's not hard to farm easy exp.
Implement a new survivor-like title for existing players called farmer if you guys want a title that bad.
for the simple reason I don't need to see 150 MO/W survivors. That will happen and that's why it is like it is now. Starting at lvl 20 and going for survivor is lame.. You already have the best gear and elite skills wow would be real hard to go kill trolls and mino's.
It's a stupid title, I have it on my necro and I've never been asked about it and I don't dance while I afk so people will look at me. As it is now it's pretty hard to do, it's not hard to farm easy exp.
Implement a new survivor-like title for existing players called farmer if you guys want a title that bad.
Super_Nerd0
/signed
canthans can get to lvl 20 EASY on Shing Jea island
its only a bit harder to not die. just dont do the missions until you are lvl 15(you get that in like half an hour on Shing Jea) then you finish it by doing the first mission and the quests to get to the second one.tyrians cantdo that. it takes the whole game just to get to vl 20(at least up to the doppleganger)
but i do agree it should be a one shot thing
canthans can get to lvl 20 EASY on Shing Jea island
its only a bit harder to not die. just dont do the missions until you are lvl 15(you get that in like half an hour on Shing Jea) then you finish it by doing the first mission and the quests to get to the second one.tyrians cantdo that. it takes the whole game just to get to vl 20(at least up to the doppleganger)
but i do agree it should be a one shot thing
Dirty Panda
/signed
Coolniceronguy
/signed
Also, in my opinion, if a person fails to acquire this title by dying, then the xp counter should be reset, to allow the opportunity to go for this title again. Only having one shot at it seems too hardcore.
Also, in my opinion, if a person fails to acquire this title by dying, then the xp counter should be reset, to allow the opportunity to go for this title again. Only having one shot at it seems too hardcore.
Melrel
/notsigned
To the people who say it's easier for newer characters to obtain the survivor title are wrong espically if you start off in Tyria like I have done.
All some old character whos most likely finished Tyria or Cantha (possibly both) have to do is cap certain elite skills to choose in their favour and could easily get it within 5-10 hours depending how fast they get to the bosses. Another option is they'll farm Hydras or Minotaurs and quickly get exp without much chance of dieing and have some support of a Monk, Warrior etc. whos also doing it.
A new Canthan can quickly reach to the survivor title as well but it's much harder for them than it is for an older character because they have more chance of dieing, mainly caused by the afflicted's Death Nova and lack of armor.
A new Tyrian will have to process through that mini pvp battle, get to Lion Arch (it's quite hard even if someone runs you because monsters tend to aggro you close by and can do over 50% damage with one swing, depending on your armor). You can clear all the Kaineng quests and reach to lvl 16 at the very maximum but will still have to make a journey to desert to reach the first surviour title.
I have another alternative to benefit both new and old players but not lose too much factor of this title
Survivor - Players can only obtain this title if they reach to 140, 600 without dieing once during that amount, this can be done with any amount of deaths.
Indomitable Survivor - Players can only obtain this title if they reach to 587,500 without dieing once during that amount, this can only be done with under 100 amount of deaths.
Legendary Survivor - Players can obtain this title if they reach to 1,337,500 without dieing once during that amount, this can only be done with 0 deaths.
I reckon with this alternative, people who started from stratch will feel proud to have the legendary survivor and people who have had their characters before knowing about this can still obtain the survivor title.
To the people who say it's easier for newer characters to obtain the survivor title are wrong espically if you start off in Tyria like I have done.
All some old character whos most likely finished Tyria or Cantha (possibly both) have to do is cap certain elite skills to choose in their favour and could easily get it within 5-10 hours depending how fast they get to the bosses. Another option is they'll farm Hydras or Minotaurs and quickly get exp without much chance of dieing and have some support of a Monk, Warrior etc. whos also doing it.
A new Canthan can quickly reach to the survivor title as well but it's much harder for them than it is for an older character because they have more chance of dieing, mainly caused by the afflicted's Death Nova and lack of armor.
A new Tyrian will have to process through that mini pvp battle, get to Lion Arch (it's quite hard even if someone runs you because monsters tend to aggro you close by and can do over 50% damage with one swing, depending on your armor). You can clear all the Kaineng quests and reach to lvl 16 at the very maximum but will still have to make a journey to desert to reach the first surviour title.
I have another alternative to benefit both new and old players but not lose too much factor of this title
Survivor - Players can only obtain this title if they reach to 140, 600 without dieing once during that amount, this can be done with any amount of deaths.
Indomitable Survivor - Players can only obtain this title if they reach to 587,500 without dieing once during that amount, this can only be done with under 100 amount of deaths.
Legendary Survivor - Players can obtain this title if they reach to 1,337,500 without dieing once during that amount, this can only be done with 0 deaths.
I reckon with this alternative, people who started from stratch will feel proud to have the legendary survivor and people who have had their characters before knowing about this can still obtain the survivor title.
JMFD
/signed
Unfair to older characters as it stands.
Unfair to older characters as it stands.
xiaotsu
It's not unfair to older characters, as Taken said, there was no reason you had to die before the title, stop being greedy for titles, you died, deal with it.