Yet another touch ranger rant

Whenever I play toucher, I always get flamed to all hell, but people dont realise that it IS a valid build. There's no one complaining about shockers are there? No one complaining about boonie monks? Then why should you complain about touchers? You shouldnt. I know what you mean about the flamed thing, i did it just because i couldn't be arsed to play cripshotter anymore in RA.

But then again the people who flame touchers in RA/TA are usually either
1. Too stupid to kill them.
2. Too stupid to bring a counter to make them ineffective (even kiting)
3. Wammos who say in all chat during ABs 'Stop running away you chicken Kendel'

The last 1 never ceases to make me laugh Cripshotter supremacy in ABs.

My personal favorite way of killing a toucher is poison + crip shot + hunters shot Hunter shot hey I will have to try that in AB as i am tired of these sneaking up on me.

I have nothing against touch rangers. It is a good build. The problem is that now when playing in the pvp team arenas i have to play touch ranger or anti-touch and it just gets boring. In truth touch rangers have destroyed pvp play in places. Many builds can take down a toucher without being designed to take down a toucher. I kill them all the time in Aspenwood with my assassin and she's not exactly designed to specifically target touchers, though I'm thinking of tweaking my build in general with a bit of anti-stance hate (rigor mortis)

I have nothing against touch rangers. It is a good build. The problem is that now when playing in the pvp team arenas i have to play touch ranger or anti-touch and it just gets boring. In truth touch rangers have destroyed pvp play in places. Touch Rangers destroyed PvP? Lmao, as if. IWAY destroyed the ranking system. Dual smite/Boreway destroyed TA. Touch Rangers just get Faction, they don't win anything major.

Counters
Use anti-spammer strategies, such as Blackout or Diversion.
Even mild energy denial (eg. Malaise or Wither) coupled with Signet of Humility causes a lot of problems for Touch Rangers.
Snare the ranger and run away. Ward Against Foes and other area snares are highly effective against groups of Touch Rangers.
Focused damage and health degeneration. Life stealing is slow and inefficient healing relative to pure healing spells.
If timed properly, Meteor Shower should keep them down long enough for them to be taken down, as they can only heal by touching others.
Crippling Anguish can slow them and cause health degen, two things that the build can't handle.
Water Elementalists can be used to slow down a touch ranger and deal damage before it can reach its target; Deep Freeze is particularly effective.
Vampiric Spirit, if correctly timed, and with a high energy pool, can overwhelm the healing the Touch Ranger gains from their skills. On average, a Blood necromancer with 16 atrributes in Blood Magic can steal approximately twice the health that the Touch Ranger can. Although not commonly enough to kill the Touch Ranger, it is enough to either panic them, or frustrate them enough to break off.
Binding Chains, makes a touch ranger moves 90% slower while you run away. In this case, make sure they do not take damage or Binding Chains will end. Note also that touch-skills do not count as "attacks", so touchers can still use those.
Generally, just try to slow the toucher down with hexes or any ranged crippling attack (see also Pin Down, Crippling Shot for Rangers) and kill them with degen-hexes or damage from a distance. The danger with the Cripple-condition however, is that they can use Plague Touch/Signet/Sending to get rid of it prematurely.
Any fast, repeatable interrupt, such as Spinal Shivers (generally with an IAS buff such as Flurry) or Incendiary Arrows (generally paired with Tiger's Fury.
As this build doesn't deal spike damage, but has extremely high DPS (260 DPS with 4 touch rangers, as compared to a spiker team which generally has over 500 spike damage with 4 members), any monk with high HPS can counter this build.
Hex spells can be effective against touch rangers, since they have no hex removal. Spiteful Spirit can negate much of the health stolen as well as damage nearby foes. This build can be countered very, very easily. So, you still sure they need a nerf?

Touch Rangers destroyed PvP? Lmao, as if. IWAY destroyed the ranking system. Dual smite/Boreway destroyed TA. Touch Rangers just get Faction, they don't win anything major. Agreed with 100%. It's people who don't have a clue how to stop a touchie, and decide to whine about them here instead of finding a way to stop them that ruin PvP in some places.

Green Farming with a touchie, FTW. They're much better there than in PvP. I made 40k off my touch in 3 days, getting two Fervors from Rajazan. These nerfs would KILL our Green Farming. Touchies are NOT going to be nerfed if Anet is smart and will just let the players sort out a problem with a semi-powerful build rather than step in themselves.

99.9% of the people flaming you for suggesting a solution have touchies that they use themselves. And i havent seen any of you beat on the part where he said an ele spamming flare. Thats because an ele spamming flare (without Mark of Rodgort anyway) is laughable.

99.9% of the people flaming you for suggesting a solution have touchies that they use themselves. And i havent seen any of you beat on the part where he said an ele spamming flare. My main char is a ranger, and yes I played a toucher, as I played a thumper or a spiker or a cripshoter or a R/A or a martyr trapper or most of the popular builds and other unusual ones. Then? If you find touchies overpowered maybe you should play one for a while to understand how touching works. I play both a toucher and against touchers. That's not a problem for me.

But I've noticed most of the time, the players using the all chat to say something like "noob toucher" when you kill them are the very same who use blind on you when you attack them, or apply poison on their feiry dragon sword, or whirling defense, or empathy, or backfire, or... anything useless against a touchie, because they don't know how it works.

99.9% of the people flaming you for suggesting a solution have touchies that they use themselves. And i havent seen any of you beat on the part where he said an ele spamming flare.
You could say that 99.9% of the people that are complaining have never played a Touch Ranger, and only think they're overpowered because its the only damn build they can recognize.

But rather than do that lets just let this thread die....

Many builds can take down a toucher without being designed to take down a toucher. I kill them all the time in Aspenwood with my assassin and she's not exactly designed to specifically target touchers, though I'm thinking of tweaking my build in general with a bit of anti-stance hate (rigor mortis) I'm a Rigor Mortis assassin, use it all the time in Aspenwood, I was actually just about to mention it here when I saw your post *lol*

Anyway, this owns just about anything with stances, not just touchers, but it is a toucher killer.

Rigor Mortis, BLS, HoTO, FS, TF, plague touch if they use theirs *lmao*

If they want to touch, you might as well touch them back

Just as a matter of interest, which build did you use kill touchers? And when you kill them, is it usually a face-to-face confrontation or sneak attack?

99.9% of the people flaming you for suggesting a solution have touchies that they use themselves. And i havent seen any of you beat on the part where he said an ele spamming flare. ... OF COURSE most of us have touch rangers that we use, otherwise we wouldn't defend the build. Our touch rangers get us valuable greens, and score us some faction every once in a while, that's because we're actually, wait for it... EXPERIANCED with our touch rangers.

There is NOTHING wrong with us having touch rangers and defending our build, for anything besides green farming, something else is better suited to.