How will our level 20 characters fit into Nightfall Storyline this time?

I hated vizunah the first time i played factions, i tried about 10 times and then i said f*** it i will do it with henchmen, i got masters and it really amazed me how much people can suck at a game : /, and as for the canthans getting to LA at level 20, i hated the idea because they get it easy until the level 20-30 monsters come into the story, they should of thrown them in droks or something i hope nightfall is 30times better than factions pve, but i hope they put new ABs in there,

i think factions took the fun out of being in a newbie island, i mean sure i hated taking hours and hours and hours leveling in prophecies but the missions were fun and it seemed like there are people who know what their doing unlike factions where somehow i always get thrown into a group of idiots who have assassin tanks, w/mo healers,and other casters who have no idea what healing themselves means.. i thought some of the people who played GW:F pve should go to prophecies and learn about the frikin game before messing up every mission.

At least you were able to get something for the time spent, weapons or skills.
Save some money in the long run since after your first few skills, they start costing 1K each.
(Remeber the -50 Grim Cesta for 55 builds)

Factions quests are pointless as you can get the skill points by gaining XP while fighting, especially since most of the mosters are at higher levels than you and are in great abundance.

After the first few of running back and forth, I stopped and only do primary quests in factions.

Someone tell me what nightfall is like so I don't have to buy it if it ends up sucking.

LOL. Somehow, I don't think you'll have problems finding that info here...

I think Nightfall is the most important Expansion to Guild Wars. If it sucks, a lot of people won't be buying another expansion, especially with all the other games coming out this year. (just my opinion, of course)

I gave Factions the benefit of the doubt, because I got the Original GW for free from PC Gamer, so I felt like I owed Anet something for spending of that time enjoying their product for "free". And I won't say I hate Factions, I'm still playing it, obviously.

There's just some things about it that really piss me off. If Nightfall has those same faults, I'll be the first to let you know!

No, they're not. The time-based requirements to get the bonuses on most missions ALONE make the Faction missions suck...

Brilliance, right here.
Also, time based bonuses >> Prophecies' completely unrelated bonus objectives, where inevitably people leave or go afk after completion.

I liked the time-based bonuses much better than random extraneous bonus objectives, primarily because one is designed to cut down on the amount of time spent on the mission, and the other is designed to lengthen the time spent on the mission. Completing a mission+bonus with no time limit doesn't require any skill or planning. Beating the time limit in some Factions missions can require both. People shouldn't be allowed to screw up and/or take their time when aiming for a "master's" completion.

In the end though, whether Nightfall wins or fails for me will depend entirely on how hard the Dervishes get nerfed.

and you are little miss perfect who never screws up?

it is a game so take your ritalin, a few deep breaths, and relax

or maybe 3 bowls of sugar on your sugar coated sugar pops

Prophecies quests on a whole were a lot more interesting from blowing up mine shafts in Yak's bend to hunting down Galrath infront of the stunning Wizard's tower. They were simply better, well thought out, and for the most part many of them connected.

Sure, if you like slow-paced drudgery.

THAT.. IS ONE OF THE BEST IDEAS I'VE EVER HEARD HOWEVER YOU NEED TO HAVE THE CHOICE OF STARTING MAX, OR LEVELLING.


Sorry for caps ;x I Cba to change ^^

Speaking of two party missions: It would be nice if the player could choose to be partied with a full hench team on the other side.

@Opeth, i dont understand, do you mean, say in unwaking waters, you can choose to be with a hench team? o.o

For a *master's* completion? Why should you be allowed to screw up? If you just want to chill, you'll have to settle for basic mission reward.

I say having both "bonus" and "timed bonus" would be nice. Separate/different reward for each bonus

Factions is one big mess. Surely, no one was expecting a large newbie area like Tyria has but no one was expecting a horrible pathing/game advancing system either. There is so much junk in the new skills that it almost makes the horrible new skill acquisition method worthwhile. The storyline was close to suicidally dumbtastic. Least they put a parade and some rewards at the end of game to actually let us know it ended (unlike Prophecies where the end was completely obscured).

In fact, the fast levelling part of Factions was probably the best feature of the game. So I'm all the way for the same thing- newbie island fast forward to lvl 20 and then drop em on mainland to mingle with the crowds of Tyrians. Can you say Istan 3 times real fast? I betcha Istan is gonna be our new Shing Jae.

Originally Posted by Kakumei
since you forgot one of the most frequent type of quests "speak with that person" or "deliver this item", its an easy task. Nevertheless & not mention those either.

pre-seering

Poor Tenant-gather bees with item
The Ranger's Companion-charm an animal
Opposition to the King -intervju with locals (you dont have to talk to all the locals and they all are have diffrentthings to say -kinda)
Rites of Remembrance-lit candles in the catacombs poisonus waters

Post seering

Cities of Ascalon -read inscriptions
Oswalt's Epitaph-find a tombstone
Iron Horse War Machine-sabotage levers
Wisdom of the Druids-listen to druids
Dropping Eaves- spy on a meeting

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and there are alot more left

But i understand your comment was rethorical. I Factions also have some "unusal" quests.

But in Prophesies it usually is quests with few npc to speak to (often only one person), in faction you have to speak with several.

The Prophesies quest also despite beeing similar are also diffrent, and the areas those quest "forces" you to pass through have a greater variation in the area with monsters & Graphics. In Factions you can walk through out the entire zone and still see the same ttextures & monsters. But factions was a rush job, in great contrast to Prophesies.


Some missions are just strange why one should blitz through it, others the opposite. I think they should have diffrent criterias for the bonuses. But I found some bonus tasks rather strange in Prophesies to do also, some of those missions should have the time challenge.

But as most of this is now present in the game, and likely to stay. Its "eat your vegetables, since they are on the plate" or "we cooked it; so eat it & smile" would be the common response & though not a popular one.


I hate it when old people tell me to eat my vegetables...

Yeah, I wasn't too hot about Faction quests ... until I played Oblivion. Now I liked Morrowind, but at the end of the day RPG quests are destined to be stupid, boring or annoying unless you are totally into the lore. Oblivion had great graphics fine mechanics, but it really got annoying after a while. I'll play one character through to enjoy the story and lore, but the second time through is always going to be a bit of a drag.

Of course. People should always have choices in Guild Wars...

Also, I was thinking you at least had to have one level 20 Character before you were allowed to make a "pre-made" PvE level 20 char.

One thing that really bums me out with Factions is there is really no running between places, it feels like a scripted world, one has to follow the storyline to get to other places. In Prophecies, the map feels like a real world. with tiny towns that one can just walk between, and people can travel between towns and missions like a real world. I really do hope that Elona is more like this, where one can travel between meaningless towns that have one unique thing about them, and that it feels like a real world.