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Ariana Of Damia

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

♥ Aurelio Furor ♥

17 Aug 2006 at 13:42 - 1

Hello guys,

I have a question and I have asked plaync about it but they have still not replied, I am wondering what you think about this:

Player A drops an item (for argument sake lets say he drops 50k), then he picks it up. He subsequently drops it again (to taunt others around him I guess), only this time he gets kicked error 007 or something.

Player B then picks up this 50k that player A dropped and is no longer logged in to pick up.

What are THE RULES around this? Player A says player B is obligated to return it. However if player B had not picked it up player A would still not have 50k because he dropped it and did not pick it up.

Obviously Player B should return it as good will, however in this case player A has gotten nasty with player B calling him/her various names and making threats.

I just want to know about the RULES around this.

Thanks for the help

mrgoat

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

17 Aug 2006 at 13:48 - 2

Aren't any. There's really nothing anyone's going to do about it. There's also no reason to be dropping anything like 50k on the ground.

Ariana Of Damia

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

♥ Aurelio Furor ♥

17 Aug 2006 at 13:57 - 3

In this case it wasn't 50k that was dropped I am just using it as an example, but I am just trying to learn about the facts.

Even if Player A dropped 50k and Player B picked it up before Player A did I still dont think he is Obligated by GW code of conduct to return it to Player A.

I think he/she should as it is the right thing, but do the RULES say he/she HAS TO RETURN IT?

Nestaron

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

Glasgow, Scotland

Banished Dragons

A/

17 Aug 2006 at 13:57 - 4

There are no rules... If it did happen, it would be the player A's own fault for trying to show of or for being careless. There's still no rules even if Player A is there whilst Player B picks it up.

As for it being in the rules... No it shouldn't be.

no damage tank

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

Inside Your Head [Psy]

W/

17 Aug 2006 at 14:01 - 5

wat Nestaron sed, if u dont wanna lose ur items/money then keep it in ur inventory. end of story

Coverticus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

The Zodiac Elites [TZE]

Mo/

17 Aug 2006 at 14:01 - 6

I agree with MrGoat on this one - if a player is silly enough to be dropping any value items just so he/she can show off, then thats their own fault and should learn from it.

Note though:- some players (inc. myself) may drop items in an area so all players can take a look. This gets around trade windows with each of your party members. It would be nice to think that if you Err7ed at this point, someone would pick it up and give it back later.
However, it then falls under the "human nature/good will" banner - some players will return the items because they are nice, others may haggle for a "reward" to return it and the plain nasty selfish players (

) will keep it for themselves.

Admittedly, I wouldn't mind a player dropping 50k on the floor and err7-ing

eg freeforall!

majoho

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Denmark

17 Aug 2006 at 14:17 - 7

I too agree that if you drop something to 'taunt' someone it's your own fault if you loose it (and I actually find it rather amusing).

S!carius

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Germany

Force of Arms [FoA]

Mo/

17 Aug 2006 at 14:21 - 8

I would say if you drop an item like that, you have to be prepared to give it up.

Player "B" should give it back b/c it is the right thing to do, but they aren't obligated to do so.

Ariana Of Damia

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

♥ Aurelio Furor ♥

17 Aug 2006 at 14:25 - 9

Well in this case Player B was fully going to give it back to Player A. However before player B was able to do anything, Player A logged back on and started being Agressive, swearing and threatening Player B, so now Player B is less inclined to help Player A.

I just wish that ANet would give the the RULES around it ASAP, Player B does not want to get into trouble with ANet if indeed there is a rule governing the return of said item to Player A

Cherno

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

Stars of Destiny

E/

17 Aug 2006 at 14:32 - 10

Offical rules? None, and would be silly to have them. People should let their conscience and sense of human decency and common sense guide them in what to do in a situation like this.

viper008

Banned

Join Date: May 2005

17 Aug 2006 at 14:44 - 11

No rules for sort of thing and it's quite clear by now

Off topic
I was in a mission before and one player kept dropping 50+K in random amounts and everyone was hoping that he will get code 7 error lol.

Gorebrex

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

17 Aug 2006 at 14:45 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherno

Offical rules? None, and would be silly to have them. People should let their conscience and sense of human decency and common sense guide them in what to do in a situation like this.

/falls out of chair laughing
I havent seen enough of that! If, near end of a mission, if I get a salvageable drop, and my inventory is full, I can just drop an item, pick up salvage drop, salvage it, then pick up dropped item right? Not usually! Manys the time Ive had to wait for party members to move away, in case any of them are a "grabby hands". Ive had a few missions where I was right next to the savageable drop(like an armor or something obviously salvageable), and AS SOON AS I DROP ITEM, BAM! picked up by another party member. Good Lord man, whatever are you going to do with that non stackable, non rune containing drarven armor? SALVAGE IT PERHAPS? GRRRRRRRRR

Former Ruling

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Cedartown, Georgia

R/

17 Aug 2006 at 14:47 - 13

There are no Rules like that...It'd be silly. You can't Force good will and kindness on people.

If anyone broke the rules, It was Player A, because the rules state that you cannot abuse someone verbally like you described.

Raziel665

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Defenders of the Blackblade [DotB]

N/Mo

17 Aug 2006 at 14:48 - 14

Ive seen a player lose his golden stormbow like that in a B/P tombs run.

Someone was AFK and player A kept dropping it to show off and picking it up again. Some players kept trying to pick it up, so he ran a bit and continued. After a while he screwed up and player B picked it up.

The question isnt if B should give it back, the question is, isnt A's own stupidity to blame?

Painbringer

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

Minnesota

Black Widows of Death

W/Mo

17 Aug 2006 at 15:12 - 15

This sounds like the dragon festival. Presents for the quick. Snooze you lose. On a side note if someone wants to veiw your crap open a trade window to show them. If you put it on the ground it is free game to all.

Dawgboy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Ohio

Antisocial Misfit

17 Aug 2006 at 15:25 - 16

If player "A" died and was unable to get a good drop and "B" refused to res him untill the drop was up for grabs then "B" is a jerk.

If "A" had an item already in his inventory and kept dropping/picking it up just to be an elitist fool then erred out, that's called karma. "B" has every right to it, with no guilt pangs, unless said fool is a friend. Just say, "I knew it was yours, so I left it on the ground for you."

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

17 Aug 2006 at 15:32 - 17

This reminds me of my law studies. Simple fact, morals don't come in to this situation because its Guild Wars and there are more perfect crystallines than morals.

If you drop an item on the ground, you're aware that it is available for anybody to pick up and are therefore implying that the item is unwanted. There are safe means of trading/showing items (the trade window) therefore dropping items should never have to happen. You know the risks and Anet can't be held responsible because they have provided a safe means of shwoing/trading items.

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

17 Aug 2006 at 15:35 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ariana Of Damia

Well in this case Player B was fully going to give it back to Player A. However before player B was able to do anything, Player A logged back on and started being Agressive, swearing and threatening Player B, so now Player B is less inclined to help Player A.

I just wish that ANet would give the the RULES around it ASAP, Player B does not want to get into trouble with ANet if indeed there is a rule governing the return of said item to Player A

Can you PLEASE stop all this 'player A/B' crap... we know its either you or someone you know.

Either way its 'player A's fault for been a moron and dropping the gold on the floor. There are no rules for picking up money that you dropped for been a tit and happened to err7.

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

17 Aug 2006 at 15:49 - 19

I learned my lesson.....I never drop stuff on the ground, even when its just me and my hubby playing.....always do a trade window to give/recieve stuff....

long time ago (ascalon I think) my hubby salvaged a bow string for me, and dropped it on the ground.....we both got disconnected (argh, dang dsl)....but lucky for us he still had the string when we finally got back on....but we learned to never do that again!

had the drop-cause-need2salvage happen as well, but someone did pick up the item I dropped and returned it to me! there are some nice people playing this game!

Dwiggit

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

Heroes Unlimited (HaCK)

R/Mo

17 Aug 2006 at 15:53 - 20

The only rule that I saw that was broken was:

Quote:

Player A logged back on and started being Agressive, swearing and threatening Player B

Feel free to report that to Anet, but they WILL NOT give you any items or money back.

Dwig

Former Ruling

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Cedartown, Georgia

R/

17 Aug 2006 at 15:53 - 21

Not many people know this, but there is a Binded Key to pick up the nearest item to you thats on the ground. You don't even have to press spacebar...just that button. Its LOADS faster than trying to mouse to the item and picking it up.

|pyro|

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Me/

17 Aug 2006 at 15:58 - 22

¸then tell us that key :P

Mo Joe Joe Joe

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Where the sun don't shine

Mo/E

17 Aug 2006 at 16:13 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Former Ruling

Not many people know this, but there is a Binded Key to pick up the nearest item to you thats on the ground. You don't even have to press spacebar...just that button. Its LOADS faster than trying to mouse to the item and picking it up.

Why do you tease us like this? Please, do tell??? I have wanted that feature for a long time, but unaware of it's existence in this game. If you do not share your secret, I shall be forced to mash my keyboard in all sense of randomness until.... you eventually tell ... And I know it's not Alt-F4...

Back on topic, No rule issue here. When he dropped the item, it stopped belonging to him. Otherwise, Anet would have coded the ownership to remain.

So you were intending to give it back, but when he turned into a demanding swearing jerk you had second thoughts. Understandable, but perhaps you can be the bigger person and carry thru with your first plan.

Xx Invictus xX

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

Canada

MLV

W/

17 Aug 2006 at 16:24 - 24

Tell us what you got! :

icedragon981

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

At my computer

Teh Nine [lll]

N/

17 Aug 2006 at 16:25 - 25

There are no rules against it but one time this happened to me (I was player B) and he was bitching the whole time so I finally gave it back. (Was a bow worth about 50-75k at the time)

Ariana Of Damia

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

♥ Aurelio Furor ♥

17 Aug 2006 at 17:19 - 26

The drop was 250 ecto

viper008

Banned

Join Date: May 2005

17 Aug 2006 at 17:38 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ariana Of Damia

The drop was 250 ecto

If someone was that foolish in playing around with that then they deserve not getting them back.

xiaotsu

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Doomlore Shrine

Just Us Gamers [JUGs]

R/

17 Aug 2006 at 17:59 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by viper008

If someone was that foolish in playing around with that then they deserve not getting them back.

Precisely. There is no rule against keeping something that someone else ignorantly dropped. Player B can not get in trouble for Player A's ignorance.

Ariana Of Damia

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

♥ Aurelio Furor ♥

17 Aug 2006 at 18:30 - 29

Does anyone in here work for ArenaNet? I cant get in touch with them. I really need an answer on this, this guys is harassing Player B all the time now.

viper008

Banned

Join Date: May 2005

17 Aug 2006 at 18:36 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ariana Of Damia

Does anyone in here work for ArenaNet? I cant get in touch with them. I really need an answer on this, this guys is harassing Player B all the time now.

Just tell player B to put their status to offline in the game and go about playing the game. Maybe pm one of the Anet/NCSoft people here on the forum if you havn't already.

Gorebrex

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

17 Aug 2006 at 18:49 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by makosi

This reminds me of my law studies. Simple fact, morals don't come in to this situation because its Guild Wars and there are more perfect crystallines than morals.

If you drop an item on the ground, you're aware that it is available for anybody to pick up and are therefore implying that the item is unwanted. There are safe means of trading/showing items (the trade window) therefore dropping items should never have to happen. You know the risks and Anet can't be held responsible because they have provided a safe means of shwoing/trading items.

You most certainly are not! As I stated in my example, if I have a full inventory during a mission, and have an obviously salvageable drop, like an armor or something, Ill HAVE to drop something to pick it up to salvage it, then pick up dropped item, not losing any space in inventory. I guess you mean I should keep a broken flute to drop when I am in a similar situation.
Thanks Gwen! LOL

sykoone

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mystical Chaos

E/

17 Aug 2006 at 18:50 - 32

Have Player B take a screenshot of the harrassment, then go to support.plaync.com and write up a support ticket explaining the harrassment, and add the screenshot as proof. That will get someone from Anet on the case. Whether they actually do anything to stop it is another matter.

As far as the show-off dropping, I've grabbed someone's drops before, since he was bragging about his stacks of ecto. After the 10th drop of a stack of 250 ecto, I snagged one before he picked it back up. I ended up holding it hostage to get him to behave for the rest of the run. He did get it back once we were finished. I may be a jerk sometimes, but I ain't cruel.

Ariana Of Damia

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

♥ Aurelio Furor ♥

17 Aug 2006 at 19:21 - 33

OK thanks for the advise everyone.

And I have raised the issue with ANet, PlayNC etc, still waiting to hear back :-(

Xx Invictus xX

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

Canada

MLV

W/

17 Aug 2006 at 19:31 - 34

Just put each character he uses on ignore list.. or does 1 character ignored ignore all characters on the account??

250 ectos... i wouldnt drop 1k as a joke

thats like 100 bucks or more im not sure??

Well if he gets banned for his harassment ... you get to keep the ectos whether you feel you should return them or not...

Ariana Of Damia

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

♥ Aurelio Furor ♥

17 Aug 2006 at 19:47 - 35

What Player A is saying is that Player B will get banned for picking them up

Someone quoted Player B this:

Rule # 1 of Code of Conduct: "While playing Guild Wars, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players."

But according to the definition of Defraud Player B has not done any defrauding.

Definition: To take something from by fraud; swindle

Dzar Lor

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Apr 2006

California

SBD

17 Aug 2006 at 19:50 - 36

That player A needs to be taught the lesson that you dont play basketball with your items by dribbling them around...second, finders, keepers...possession is 9/10 of the law!!! I applaude player B for the willingness to return the item, but in the face of aggression or lewdness...I think not!!! To bad Player A....better luck next time!!!

xiaotsu

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Doomlore Shrine

Just Us Gamers [JUGs]

R/

17 Aug 2006 at 20:55 - 37

Why bother contacting ANet support about it? We aren't incorrect, there is no rule against it. Read them yourself if you don't believe it, Player A can't do anything because he chose to drop the items, therefore he forfeited all ownership over the items to whoever picked them up next, Player B in this case.

I personally would have never thought of returning the said items. Why? Because I'm a jerk? Hardly, because Player A doesn't deserve the items if he was dropping them, for whatever reason he was dropping them, to show off in this case apparently.

tom de healer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2006

Lowland Lions

Mo/W

17 Aug 2006 at 21:08 - 38

Isnt it so that when you drop gold, and then you pick it and your in a party that the party shares the money?

xiaotsu

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Doomlore Shrine

Just Us Gamers [JUGs]

R/

17 Aug 2006 at 21:23 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by tom de healer

Isnt it so that when you drop gold, and then you pick it and your in a party that the party shares the money?

Read the entire thread before posting please...the money was just an example because he didn't want to reveal the real drop, although he did a few posts up...yet I don't believe it.

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

17 Aug 2006 at 21:45 - 40

There are no rules against stupidity in GW. If Player A drops his stuff on the ground, he should be smart enough to know that when he does, he exposes himself to having it taken from him. And if Player A is doing it just to show off, then Player A deserves what he gets.

If Player A leaves a drop on the ground, then he/she should be aware that when it becomes "fair-game" he risks the possibility of someone else picking it up. (IN CASE OF PLAYER A'S DEATH, OTHER PARTY MEMBERS SHOULD RESPECT PLAYER A'S DROPS)

In the mean-time, Player B should make use of his/her ignore list!