Lina and Mhenlo must die!

Carinae

Carinae

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Inside

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

Last night I was doing a farm run in SF, one I've done 60 trillion times, and had the most shocking betrayal I've ever experienced from the hench healers.

I'm running minions with a custom build and mowing the mobs down easily. There's a particular mob that has one Taskmaster, one Priest, and 8-9 Dark Binders. It's an easy mob. I've killed it easily every time, no sweat.

Not this time...

My minions engage the mob and kill two binders quickly. I get one of the corpses, but a binder lays a Well of Suffering on the other. No biggie, the minions are mostly healthy, but a few are somewhat wounded.

I fire off two quick BotMs and the minions are all good. But here's where it all went to hell.....

I'm about half health now....for about 3 seconds with no heal coming from either hench. Odd.

What are those two doing? They're standing next to each other, staring right at me. They are in the middle of the hall, so they can't be stuck and they haven't cast in a while, so they have to have energy....

Oh well. Idiot hench. I'll just do it myself. Heal Area....

POW! Cry of Frustration! (damn)

Suddenly, 6 Binders light up with Vampiric Gaze at exactly the same time and nail me with a Blood Spike!!!

I die. All 10 minions turn red....late in the mission, unlikely to be able to get 10 more with whats left.

Beyond flabbergasted...Speachless. Then I find words. Bad Ones and Lots of Them.

And what does Lina do now? Before my body hits the floor, she's over me casting Ressurect.

So she DID have energy! AH-HA!

Basically, it took 6 Binders, a Taskmaster and BOTH my healer hench working in coordination worthy of a HOH group to get me.

Epilogue:
I did recover...barely...and successfully finished the mission. Lina and Mhenlo, well, lets just say that they serve me in a different way now. Far more loyal...for eternity. They were quite helpful in helping me rebuild an army.

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

I had the same problem with Alesia yesterday... doing Riverside Province and she would just stand there watching Claude die... then the moment he did run in to Restore Life.

I swear all these updates are screwing up AI. Tyrian henchman are alot worse than normal, Canthan henchman were getting stuck on Vizunah (again), enemies seem to have lost skills too... I have never seen an Armoured Cave Spider use either Called Shot or Savage Shot recently.

striderkaaru

striderkaaru

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Retired Officer

W/

didn't danika do the same thing and just stare at you while you were in danger?

methinks you have done something to upset the monk order.

Silent Kitty

Silent Kitty

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Netherlands

[TYW] "The Young World"

A/Me

I refuse to heal healer hench. They are nothing but energy sinks.

SpeedyKQ

SpeedyKQ

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

E/Me

Stupid stuff like that happens sometimes, but I still say hench monks are about average in comparison to PUG monks. Drives me crazy when people refuse to take them.

Michel Longshorts

Michel Longshorts

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

Ok the healer henchy thing doesnt peeve me to much. Just probably hit a snag in the AI for a bit. However...

Quote:
Suddenly, 6 Binders light up with Vampiric Gaze at exactly the same time and nail me with a Blood Spike!!!
This HAS happened to me on several occasions before. Not just with Vampiric gaze, but I have been happily helping party members when over half the mob decides to hit me with a simular attack all at once.
The player monks in my group never have a chance.

Was the AI improved at some point to throw spiking in? Or do I just have SERIOUS bad luck?

lyra_song

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Michel Longshorts
Was the AI improved at some point to throw spiking in? Or do I just have SERIOUS bad luck?
Ever got chain Cry-Of-Frustration-ed-to-death ??

X.x Its like...no chance of survival once they really outnumber you.

Michel Longshorts

Michel Longshorts

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by lyra_song
Ever got chain Cry-Of-Frustration-ed-to-death ??

X.x Its like...no chance of survival once they really outnumber you.
They dont call it Cry of Frustration for nothing

Sir Skullcrasher

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

I hate it with henchie monks don't heal you when you're low on health. I seen Lina and Mhenlo do that to me before! That is why i always bring in real monks to heal me!

Painbringer

Painbringer

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

Minnesota

Black Widows of Death

W/Mo

I always love when you get killed and the healers run up to you and then get plummeted and start spam healing each other till they both die

Why can't monks use rebirth from a distance ?????????????????????????????

Sir Skullcrasher

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Painbringer
Why can't monks use rebirth from a distance ?????????????????????????????
cuz their AI don't understand the word "distance"

Kern Wolf

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

NJ

W/E

Mhenlo's a secret smiter (lol); as for Lina, I can work with her when I bring my monk, but if I bring my warrior, and I have Lina and Alesia----well, let's say I wonder about those two....

Riken Chrono

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

around the corner and up the block

Hero

/ban should do the job

capitalist

capitalist

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Sorry, the best is when you go skill crapping in Perdition Rock and the Hydras are dropping a couple MS on you, so you move. But Mhenlo and Lina just get knocked down, stand up, try to cast a heal, get knocked down, stand up, try to cast a heal, get knocked down, stand up, try to cast a heal, die.

Sir fredman

Sir fredman

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Houston, Texas

I American Guild I [iAi]

A/

i hate when the healer henchmen heal you after the fight and ressurect you during the fighting while like few level 20's are around them..and they dont heal you during the fight.

EternalTempest

EternalTempest

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

United States

Dark Side Ofthe Moon [DSM]

E/

In the radio interview with Jeff Strain, he mentioned how they are focusing on NPC henchmen.. that being said, he indicated that they will focus on the Factions (and future chapters) but don't have the resources to re-tweak GW's henchmen (due to the map balancing required).

LiamR

LiamR

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Prefer Unlight Beer [PuB]

The spike thing happened to me. It was with a blood magic spell.. possible vampiric gaze.. Maybe the enemies are learning team builds

Doomlord_Slayermann

Doomlord_Slayermann

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Chicago IL

Dark Phoenix Risin [DPR]

W/P

Well, you can just kill them (as often as you want, in fact) by taking them in any RoF mission. It's funny just how stupid they are when your neck isn't actually on the line.

EagleEye33

EagleEye33

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

In a House...duh

Untouchable Heroes

R/E

AI is Ai, they suck now and then, then every once in a while they turn out to be pretty good. (Female polygons should not die :P)

Age

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

I was out getting something from a collector in around Beelteton.I wanted to check it out and I did have 4 of the 6 henchies when I set up for 55 at Droks.I never noticed this before untill I got out the gate and said oh well.The ones I had were Stefan,Orion and Alesia and we all went and took on the Trolls,Avicara Tengu,Tundra Giants and It got worse when we tried to take on the Ice Imps.Those 3 were able enough to take on the whole Trolls and I was surprised how they performed.I much prefer Alesia over Mhenlo I don't know why as they both have the same skill bar and i have told some ppl in game about this and they agreed with me.
I found Mhenlo better in Factions even better than Danika i still don't know why but I do.It says that Mhenlo know smiting prayers maybe he would rather do that?He heals better in Cantha though.

Silent Kitty

Silent Kitty

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Netherlands

[TYW] "The Young World"

A/Me

We were with two guildies and six hench. When I wanted to rebirth the guildie, they all rushed to do the same, having them all killed in the process. Lina jumped in first, Tai right after her, and than all the boys came at their rescue.
Leaving me as sole survivor to rebirth the whole bunch

Enchanted Warrior

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

W/Mo

Farmers, or perceived farmers get swarmed, high damage hits, mass strikes etc, GW denies it but I know what I have seen, as well as heard reports from guildies.

Carth`

Carth`

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by capitalist
Sorry, the best is when you go skill crapping in Perdition Rock and the Hydras are dropping a couple MS on you, so you move. But Mhenlo and Lina just get knocked down, stand up, try to cast a heal, get knocked down, stand up, try to cast a heal, get knocked down, stand up, try to cast a heal, die.
Even better is when they do manage to move out of it, then they run back into it. It's the sort of thing a mob would do... flee from some AoE, then run back into it. I guess they have the same AI.

I pwnd U

I pwnd U

God of Spammers

Join Date: Oct 2005

in the middle of a burning cornfield...

Scars Meadows [SMS] (Officer)

I have always had problems with healer henchies. Always bring my own heal spells so i dont have to wait for them. Though i have never had cry of frustration get a heal and then get Bspiked. Thats just crappy luck. ANet even said that they IMPROVED the AI. I dont see it. :-/