Auto-Designated Guild Leader: A Warning

I fail to see how judging if v1sor is fit to lead a guild helps this topic or even the general issue in any way. Stop defending yourself v1sor, it's off the point.

As far as I can tell v1sor is complaining mostly not about the system of replacing inactive guild leaders, but rather about doing so earlier than documented and with a member that isn't by any means more active. Now, please, does anyone here agree to that?

i know how it feels to loose leadership..

i logged onto GW today because its my guilds 2 year creation date next week.
i was making a website for my guild because of this event and now ive found that a officer i never recruited is leader, and i just figured that he can kick me if he wished. so id loose my 2 year old guild =/

how is that fair? there shud be a option to stop the "ex" leader been kicked.

The reason i havent been on is because of a mix of a lack of internet and exams.

Maybe a option so that the leader can give the guild to a officer if they are away for so long? like mark that officer as second in command?

Sorry about my spelling, i was in a rush.

Thanks Phoenix =]

WTB more then a 3 ranking system in a guild, C/O 100k+50Ecto+Anet's attention B/O Gaile responds

o sorry! didnt notice =/

must admit it is an annoying option at times

Our guild rotates guild leaders on a regular basis. The average time for one officer to be leader is roughly 2 weeks, but sometimes is longer, depending on how active everyone is. If the leader knows he/she is going to be away for more than 1 week straight, they have to promote someone else who will be active. We require the leader to log at least twice a week, or pass the torch on to someone else. Officers are required to log at least once every two weeks or they get demoted, unless there's a good reason (death, vacation, wedding, etc...)

I think it comes down to good guild management and setting rules that everyone agrees to. We don't promote someone to officer unless they're willing to take on the responsibility. (Not that it's tough. It's not like we're guarding nukes or something.)

I was knocked out of my "guild leader" status as well after afking for 30 days.... except I was the only person in my guild

so now I'm an officer in a "leaderless" guild.

Guess I should keep an eye on my spare account....


This system is pretty dumb. There is no reason anyone should be kicked from leader of the guild they made. If the members have a problem with an inactive leader then they should leave the guild. No reason to auto replace the leader.

Just wait for the system to kick out the new inactive leader and hope you or fellow active player gets back in leadership ^_^ - im always active so i never knew this would happen..haha glad i hav never been that inactive ^_^...granted im in a new guild and dont have to worry about leadership timeouts hehe. ^_^

yeah how he runs his guild isn't really relevant to how it picks the successor. some guilds are seasonal, or so casual that they only really play or get together upon new release for a few months. even one of the anet founders metnioned some people play it, put it on the shelf, and wait for the next release. there's n o reason a casual guild couldn't do the same. it would keep them from having to regroup or find other people when the next release happens. not every guild revolves around GW. some guilds are bigger than that and only come back for special occasions or releases and play other games in the meantime.

It doesn't take that long to keep active. A minute a fortnight. If you can't even manage that, then pass it on to someone who can, and you trust not to kick you. If you got no one you can trust, well, considering you're supposedly in charge of recruiting and promoting...

If having a guild is all that matters, kick everyone and be a guild of one. If you want the social side, well you're going to have to talk to and trust your guildies.

There is one situation that demands a guild leader be automatically demoted (and it is 60 days that the demotion takes place):

Guild leader banned from Guild Wars. 2 months pass and the officer that has been in the guild the longest is promoted to the leader position, and the banned or absent leader is demoted to officer.

It automatically promotes the officer with the longest tenure in the guild (by join date).

The system is effective in my opinion, and I don't see any way for an automated system to discern whether you've just abandoned the guild or whether you've got real life situations that preclude you logging in.

That's another key point, you don't have to be active, heck you don't even have to play. You simply need to log in once every 60 days or trust your most tenured officer to give you back the guild when he gets promoted.

And people: Please keep the discussion on the topic of the guild leader removal process rather than the OP's personal ability to lead a guild. That is not the focus of this thread, and there's no need to get a good discussion closed by making it personal. Thanks.

Ok, one thing... Some of us run Multi game guilds and sometimes don't make it on... this is the first I've heard about this system and the very fact its there annoys me no end

I'm told, by one of my many spies that this has been in game since inception... this is news to me and yes, theres no information about it on the Wiki or the official website

Actually, it is and has been on wiki for quite some time. Here.

I think if your leader hasn't shown up for 60 days it's only natural that somebody else gets that position.
I take it that you, as guild leader, only make people you trust officer and in turn trust their judgement in making new officers if they see fit, how can you not trust on of those members to assume control if you yourself have not made it online for 60 days (which is an absurdly long time not to log in even if it's at least to check how your guild is doing for a couple of seconds).

I'm currently the leader of a guild of about 40 members. And I, for one, am very glad this system is in place. If I were an officer or a member in a guild who's leader had left abruptly, or simply went AFK with no notice, I would want to be able to move on as a guild.

If the leader found time to come back, perhaps he would still be able to lead. Either way, a guild isn't personal property. A guild should be jointly owned by Leader, Officers, and Members. It would be terribly frustrating to be in a guild whose leader was simply gone and be unable to do anything about it.

So, in short, I think the system is just fine.

Ahh, thanks for the link, haven't used the Old wiki in ages, and not looked it up on the new wiki, but will go have a look in a moment...

However, as i'm sure is the case for a few guilds, if a leader runs a guild through multiple games, as i do, there may be times when i can't make it onto one game for a protracted period of time... and even with my love for GW and it being the father game to my guild, GW will take the backseat due to its no fee model... So far i log in at the least once a week, but that could change when i'm working again and more games are added tot he guild and I need to be versed in them and also after setting up our new radio station aswell, it may have to take a long protracted backseat, but thats not really a good thing if this is the case though

I've never ran into the system.... but for problems like that highlighted by Diablo above.... I hope my computer never breaks down...

It has happened in the past.
I was the leader of quite a significant Clan on Phantasy Star Online.... until my Dreamcast burnt out and I wasn't able to replace it. Total mess. Lost everything I'd strived for...

Computers are just as capable of messing up.... and if I couldn't get access to a computer for that long, I'd be seriously p!ssed off if the Solo Guild I had invested vast amounts of cash in ended up leaderless because of one fubar little system.

If this would be the case and you could foresee yourself not logging in for 2 whole months, wouldn't you assign somebody you trust as a temporary guild leader? I know as a fact that our guild leader assigns temp GL's if he knows he's going into an inactive period (which involves loggin in once a week just for a short chat).

Why would I have to do that? My officers are guild officers and are such in any game we all play and the guild is situated in, why should I habd the reigns over just because i'm not in a particular game?

This thread is funnies. Thank god options like this have been put into place by Anet. Think of all those poor guilds where the leader just took off with not one word. Good riddence, you shouldn't be leading anything wether it be in a video game or irl.
Tuff cookies...

Yeah that should be altered...

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Image:Auto-designation.jpg

^ that shows up