ANet, please fix the Necrotic Exploit in Jade Quarry - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

Shattered Self

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

PvE

N/

19 Aug 2006 at 04:41 - 1

So one of the nice things about this latest weekend event is people actually went to Jade Quarry, so many that the wait to get in on the Kurzick side started approaching the wait to get into Ft Aspenwood on the Luxon side. It's a fun map, and I was always disappointed that nobody ever played it. Unfortunately, in the past hour or so my enjoyment of this arena has been more or less ruined thanks to a new exploit.

If you run to the (right for Kurzicks, left for Luxons) as soon as you load into the map, you'll find a guard post manned by enemy archers just outside your base. These can be fairly easily killed by ranged attacks or hexes. Any N/x or x/N can then use Necrotic Traversal or Consume Corpse to teleport into the main portion of the arena well before the match starts. This in turn allows them to start claiming mines before the match starts, which is a huge advantage if the teams are even remotely even (not uncommon for them to not be due to leechers & leavers having discovered the Jade Quarry as well

).

I used to really enjoy the Jade Quarry during the FPE and right after Factions came out. Hopefully ANet will fix this exploit so I and others can enjoy it again.

hated

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

19 Aug 2006 at 04:48 - 2

It's important for Anet to make money, so yeah it'll be fixed real quick I expect.

Apok Omen

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Commence Aggro [BaMf]

Mo/E

19 Aug 2006 at 04:53 - 3

Thanks and good job notifying us and the GW staff about this exploit. Now just wait andsee what happens.

Shrouded Waffle

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

Professional Henchway [pRo]

19 Aug 2006 at 04:54 - 4

I had never realised this before (maybe it's because I RARELY play Quarry, although I'm starting to play it more frequently now). Yes, this is a problem, and should be fixed as the Kaanai Canyon glitch was.

Cross your fingers, report it to ANet, and wait a day or two.

Lord Aro

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

/wiki user:aro

DBU

E/

19 Aug 2006 at 05:03 - 5

Yup, people have been using this trick for quite some time.

hated

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

19 Aug 2006 at 05:03 - 6

Yeah sorry, forgot to say thanks for putting this out there. Soooooo...

....thanks.

unholy guardian

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Lost Haven

A/Mo

19 Aug 2006 at 05:09 - 7

hmm wow didn't know about this... guess it didn't use to be a problem since you would get a game 1 like a day

Curse You

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

South Pole

The Magus Order

N/Mo

19 Aug 2006 at 05:20 - 8

I knew about the ability to kill and exploit the Archers, but I was just using them to make minions.

GloryFox

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Good ol' USA, where everyone else wants to be

Now Plays World of Warcraft on Whisperwind

19 Aug 2006 at 05:35 - 9

Quote:

posted by Shattered Self
So one of the nice things about this latest weekend event is people actually went to Jade Quarry, so many that the wait to get in on the Kurzick side started approaching the wait to get into Ft Aspenwood on the Luxon side. It's a fun map, and I was always disappointed that nobody ever played it. Unfortunately, in the past hour or so my enjoyment of this arena has been more or less ruined thanks to a new exploit.

If you run to the (right for Kurzicks, left for Luxons) as soon as you load into the map, you'll find a guard post manned by enemy archers just outside your base. These can be fairly easily killed by ranged attacks or hexes. Any N/x or x/N can then use Necrotic Traversal or Consume Corpse to teleport into the main portion of the arena well before the match starts. This in turn allows them to start claiming mines before the match starts, which is a huge advantage if the teams are even remotely even (not uncommon for them to not be due to leechers & leavers having discovered the Jade Quarry as well ).

I used to really enjoy the Jade Quarry during the FPE and right after Factions came out. Hopefully ANet will fix this exploit so I and others can enjoy it again.

ROFL... OK just like EoE just leave it to the PvPrs to ruin a perfectly good spell. This is totally outrageous.....

THUMBS UP TO PvPrs... Leave it to PvP outside the box thinking for something like this... PLEASE KILL PvE some more why don't you...

Morganas

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

19 Aug 2006 at 05:57 - 10

Is that sarcasm? Are you seriously griping at pvpers for "thinking outside the box" as you put it?

I wasn't aware consume corpse or necrotic traversal were used in pve anyways.

ubermancer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

******************* Refuge From Exile [RFE]

19 Aug 2006 at 05:58 - 11

"New" exploit?

Silent Kitty

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Netherlands

[TYW] "The Young World"

A/Me

19 Aug 2006 at 06:05 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morganas

Is that sarcasm? Are you seriously griping at pvpers for "thinking outside the box" as you put it?

I wasn't aware consume corpse or necrotic traversal were used in pve anyways.

Many nerfes are made because of PvPers who exploited it. This is not the first one. Most of what you call "Thinking outside the box" is nothing but searching for flaws in the game mechanics and rules, so you can easily defeat the opponent.

NinjaKai

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

UK

Duality Of The Dragon

19 Aug 2006 at 06:06 - 13

What next a complaint about shadow stepping?

dargon

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

The Seraphim Knights [TSK]

R/

19 Aug 2006 at 06:21 - 14

The problem is, without them redesigning the area (not likely) they can't really do much about the exploit. Both sides however can do it, so atleast it's a 'fair' exploit

Morganas

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

19 Aug 2006 at 06:24 - 15

It would be easiest to put some sort of "blackout" effect on everyone when they enter the game that lasts as long as the countdown. That would have fixed the EOE sack exploit too, or at least given people time to flee from it.

ZomgZergRush

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

Altrumm Ruins :o

Swarm of the Zerg [ZERG]

Rt/Me

19 Aug 2006 at 06:26 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by GloryFox

ROFL... OK just like EoE just leave it to the PvPrs to ruin a perfectly good spell. This is totally outrageous.....

THUMBS UP TO PvPrs... Leave it to PvP outside the box thinking for something like this... PLEASE KILL PvE some more why don't you...

Ya, those are the godliest and most used PvE skills ever.

Shrouded Waffle

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

Professional Henchway [pRo]

19 Aug 2006 at 06:26 - 17

Morganas, I like that idea the most of them all, and would have been a better descision than just nerfing EoE like ANet did.

:/

Reks

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

R/P

19 Aug 2006 at 06:29 - 18

I also found this out today, and was surprised no one found it out sooner. I've seen teammates use it and it definitely gives us an edge. Unfortunately, I think it's bad game design on ANet's part.

Hmm, I dunno how an appropriate "fix" can be. They could make it like shadow-stepping, but then that could cause some problems in Urgoz(though there's still the rebirth method).

Otherwise, they could make everyone invulnerable, people and NPCs included, before the match actually starts.

Seef II

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

US

R/Mo

19 Aug 2006 at 06:47 - 19

They could just modify the map and make cliffing impossible... after all everyone's had their share of "WTF Obstructed? /rq" and this would actually be a good reason for obstruction.

Zakarr

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Finland

19 Aug 2006 at 07:24 - 20

ArenaNet should just disable some skills until the match starts.

madman420

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

19 Aug 2006 at 07:38 - 21

The last time i saw one of those frowny faces in front of a thread EoE got nerfed and 6 million threads got started about that. Please ANET don't screw up corpse control just because it's affecting an arena that never gets played.

Xenex Xclame

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

DPX

R/

19 Aug 2006 at 07:48 - 22

Hurray another glitch that will cause another perfectly good skill to get nerfed.
The sollution to this problem will be something along the lines that you cant use bodies to do necrotic transversal.Hurray!

Common guys you know they will not disable the skill before the match starts, that would just be too easy, its much better to just make the skill useless or change the map.

Lets see how long it takes to get nerfed then be told its not because of this glitch but because of a planned change.

Curse You

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

South Pole

The Magus Order

N/Mo

19 Aug 2006 at 07:53 - 23

I like the idea of making all NPCs invunerable until the match starts. It makes sense too. We shouldn't be able to take over that control point before the game has even started.

Cymmina

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Me/N

19 Aug 2006 at 13:13 - 24

All they would have to do to "fix" the "issue" is set those NPCs as being owned by the nearby team, instead of the opposing team. I've seen NT/CC used in Quarry before, but it was never being exploited to its fullest advantage (just to run to the nearby quarry, not all the way over to the farthest quarry). Also, it doesn't provide as big of an advantage as you think it does, since a couple of good AoE spells can easily claim a quarry.

I don't consider this to be nearly as big of a problem as the haulers getting stuck for extended periods of time inside your base. I reported this before the event and really hoped it would have been fixed before the weekend. I've lost very close matches because of this bug.

MelechRic

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

RA

[ODIN]

N/Mo

19 Aug 2006 at 14:10 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by ubermancer

"New" exploit?

Heh, exactly what I was thinking. My SS w/ CC used to do this every time I played that map. (Which, incidently, was about once ever 3 weeks.)

I could see how it would be a problem this weekend though.

achilles ankle

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

USA

The Primevil Spartans

A/

19 Aug 2006 at 16:48 - 26

soooo...what shadow stepping gonna be nerfed as well? and ride the lightning? whats the problem here, i get so mad that when someone finds a skill that works to their advantage and then they immediatly have to have it nerfed..gettin kinda annoying now. Do we have to bring up the touchers again..

Tainek

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

[Rage]

19 Aug 2006 at 17:10 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zakarr

ArenaNet should just disable All skills until the match starts.

Fixed

DeathandtheHealing

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2006

In a PVE GUILD YAY! :P

Me/Mo

19 Aug 2006 at 17:24 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by GloryFox

ROFL... OK just like EoE just leave it to the PvPrs to ruin a perfectly good spell. This is totally outrageous.....

THUMBS UP TO PvPrs... Leave it to PvP outside the box thinking for something like this... PLEASE KILL PvE some more why don't you...

ummmm why are u blamming us?

since when is ab and jade quarry pve? dur?

Ulivious The Reaper

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

The Shadowed Assassins

W/Mo

19 Aug 2006 at 17:34 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by achilles ankle

soooo...what shadow stepping gonna be nerfed as well? and ride the lightning? whats the problem here, i get so mad that when someone finds a skill that works to their advantage and then they immediatly have to have it nerfed..gettin kinda annoying now. Do we have to bring up the touchers again..

seriously, when are they going to put a bandaid on vampiric things... never thats what, they take redicously long time quibbling over tiny Exploits such as the EoE which did as it read

Vermilion Okeanos

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2005

19 Aug 2006 at 17:42 - 30

This exploit was indeed pretty devastating to a point that I had to use it too. If I don't use it, even with my guild mates on my team, we still manage to lose (although a hard fight). The opponent team would simply gain 2 points ahead of us by 20-30 sec.

Don Zardeone

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

19 Aug 2006 at 20:09 - 31

Why nerf a skill here?

Logic?

WasAGuest

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

19 Aug 2006 at 20:30 - 32

lol, how does this suprise anyone?

Players are not going to play games these days for fair play. They are going to try and cheat, exploit and do what they can to win.

Here's the fix:

Lock life bars (no damage), disable skills and make players unable to move untill the match starts. Return EoE to it's former self so it's of use again.

This should be simple enough as the even the minions' life is locked during movies now. Simple fix, no nerfs and no more breaking skills.

Shattered Self

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

PvE

N/

19 Aug 2006 at 21:23 - 33

Frankly, I'd prefer they re-design the map slightly. Blocking skill use before the match starts prevents a lot of perfectly legitimate preparation (elementalist attunements, ranger preparations, Anguished Was Ling-wah, etc.), and there's no way they could re-work the relevant skills without ruining them. Making NPCs invincible before the match starts would be reasonable, or they could make it so NPCs killed before the match starts do not leave exploitable corpses.

Arcador

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

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R/N

19 Aug 2006 at 21:23 - 34

Well I guess making those outpost spawn after the time counts down will solve the problem.
I'd like a 3 second time between taking the post and npc respawn.

Shattered Self

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

PvE

N/

19 Aug 2006 at 21:25 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ulivious The Reaper

seriously, when are they going to put a bandaid on vampiric things... never thats what, they take redicously long time quibbling over tiny Exploits such as the EoE which did as it read

What's wrong with vampiric stuff? You mean touch rangers? When they changed the wording in the description of Expertise they made it pretty clear they had no intention of nerfing that.

Halfthought

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

20 Aug 2006 at 02:59 - 36

dont expect it to be voer till the event is over and it becomes desolate :P

hated

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

20 Aug 2006 at 05:33 - 37

"spell failed, target is protected by a spell breaker"

Would that be too much? Just until the match starts I mean.

Abdul

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

20 Aug 2006 at 08:36 - 38

Just make the NPCs invulnerable before the match starts. No need to change the map or skills that way.

QuixotesGhost

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

20 Aug 2006 at 10:33 - 39

Quite honestly, locking skills before a match starts would really screw over any monk using mantained enchaments. AKA Bonders.

Riken Chrono

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

around the corner and up the block

Hero

20 Aug 2006 at 17:37 - 40

the answer to this is nerf mending and frenzy and heal sig