MMs have one weakness: stai....err...Dervish.
If a Dervish gets close to a minion army, his Scythe kills them 3 times as fast. In addition, Dervish have their PBAOE skills, which would also cream minions.
Dervish will no doubt be plentiful in the Nightfall campaign.
Do you think people will begin asking for SS instead of MM?
Nightfall: End of MMs?
Zinger314
Vermilion
Isn't SS a Prophecies skill..
hmm.
hmm.
Zinger314
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Isn't SS a Prophecies skill..
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It doesn't stop people for asking them for 4-man farm groups in Factions...
Omega X
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Do you think people will begin asking for SS instead of MM?
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Kijik Oni Hanryuu
ZOMGWTFBBQ DERVISH FTW lol my stupidstatement oftheday.. in any case ifan MM uses Fiends they will be fine aginst a derivhs since fiends tend to spread out a lil bit.
Silver_Fang
is that PvP of PvE? if it is PvP MM is never a choice except Map with lots of corpse, eg, AB.
If it is PvE, it doesnt even matter. Most Necro can switch between MM and SS already and MM is still good in PvE.
Unless, the Dervish mobs all got banish strike and PBAOE equipped on them, but well, thats mean MM need to use bone fiend instead to keep them out of melee range.
If it is PvE, it doesnt even matter. Most Necro can switch between MM and SS already and MM is still good in PvE.
Unless, the Dervish mobs all got banish strike and PBAOE equipped on them, but well, thats mean MM need to use bone fiend instead to keep them out of melee range.
Quid Pro Quo
Whats with everyone getting so dramatic over this.
I know the enchantment builds were good but really Dervish aren't THAT powerful.
Doom for this, doom for that, the end of this, the end of that.
Its not going to be a big deal.
I know the enchantment builds were good but really Dervish aren't THAT powerful.
Doom for this, doom for that, the end of this, the end of that.
Its not going to be a big deal.
unholy guardian
Just make fiends... they are long range and should not be holding the aggro >_>
Tetris L
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Originally Posted by Zinger314
If a Dervish gets close to a minion army, his Scythe kills them 3 times as fast. In addition, Dervish have their PBAOE skills, which would also cream minions.
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2) Death Nova FTW
3) Well of the Profane FTW
Mindtrust
what Tetris said, and A-Net is really good with nerfing stuff also 
unholy guardian
Never know, the new minions, which i expect there will be, could be pretty cool, never know what they will come up with next.
|pyro|
Dervis will run into FoW and Tombs now as mobs? If yes panic, if not I dont care.
cloudbunny
If not so much related to dervishes, my guess is that MM will take a hit in Nightfall.
Faction PvE has been very centered around minion armies and dealing massive AoE damage. Making single target focused characters like Mesmer, Assassin and Blood Necro unwanted in most groups. It does not take much to change that. Fewer, stronger monsters that do not cluster, but run around (like the berserkers in FoW), nonfleshy monsters, monsters with insanely tough armour, etc.
Regards,
Cloudbunny
Faction PvE has been very centered around minion armies and dealing massive AoE damage. Making single target focused characters like Mesmer, Assassin and Blood Necro unwanted in most groups. It does not take much to change that. Fewer, stronger monsters that do not cluster, but run around (like the berserkers in FoW), nonfleshy monsters, monsters with insanely tough armour, etc.
Regards,
Cloudbunny
Quid Pro Quo
Assassin's and even Ritualist's weakness are big groups of enemies and thats why Factions is full of them. Dervish and Paragon are weak against single targets because their main focus is taking out big groups and giving out shouts to do it which is why Nighfall will have fewer groups but they will be damn strong.
Anyone see that huge giant like creature in one of the videos? Thats what I'm talking about.
MMs won't suffer against Dervish too bad. First off they won't do much better then a Ranger attacking a bunched up group of pets with barrage and second a necro could probably do enough drains to take out a Dervish.
Anyone see that huge giant like creature in one of the videos? Thats what I'm talking about.
MMs won't suffer against Dervish too bad. First off they won't do much better then a Ranger attacking a bunched up group of pets with barrage and second a necro could probably do enough drains to take out a Dervish.
silv3rr
Death nova all your minions so after the Dervish creams the minions, the derv gets nuked.
Charrbane
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Never know, the new minions, which i expect there will be, could be pretty cool, never know what they will come up with next.
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Shrouded Waffle
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Never know, the new minions, which i expect there will be, could be pretty cool, never know what they will come up with next.
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Enchantment removing minions?
Sniper22
K, anet doesn't really need to make a total minion master killing profession, few easy skills can get rid of them, like that smiting elite and veratas aura. And if the dervish will be this powerful against minions, just put dwaynas sorrow on your minions (or death nova). At 10 heals, dwaynas sorrow heals your part like 35 hp when the creature dies. 35*10 = 350 heal for your total party.
I really dont think minion masters are that powerful though. My minion master is my main character and i've been playing him since the beginning of prophecies and they have gone through enough nerfs.
I really dont think minion masters are that powerful though. My minion master is my main character and i've been playing him since the beginning of prophecies and they have gone through enough nerfs.
Spura
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Assassin's and even Ritualist's weakness are big groups of enemies and thats why Factions is full of them. Dervish and Paragon are weak against single targets because their main focus is taking out big groups and giving out shouts to do it which is why Nighfall will have fewer groups but they will be damn strong.
Anyone see that huge giant like creature in one of the videos? Thats what I'm talking about. MMs won't suffer against Dervish too bad. First off they won't do much better then a Ranger attacking a bunched up group of pets with barrage and second a necro could probably do enough drains to take out a Dervish. |
NinjaKai
End of the day. They are still using a melee weapon. Plenty of counters to that. Blind, empathy, spiteful spirit, etc.
Big_Iron
I have the feeling my SS is going to be just fine in Nightfall. MM? Only time will tell, but I think there will still be call for them.
Horseman Of War
the MM will never die
i personally would NEVER use MM in pvp, aside from occasionally in alliance battles...
I do use spiteful spirit... on my mesmer... actually i reworked my mesmer BECAUSE of dervishes.... so ... bring it on, dervs!! Mez vs Dervish is so godly... dervs hate backfire AND empathy... throw in SS, maybe guilt, spirit shackles, ... man there is just SO MUCH to kill a dervish with its not even funny.
any worried MMs just follow me, ill take care of you.
i personally would NEVER use MM in pvp, aside from occasionally in alliance battles...
I do use spiteful spirit... on my mesmer... actually i reworked my mesmer BECAUSE of dervishes.... so ... bring it on, dervs!! Mez vs Dervish is so godly... dervs hate backfire AND empathy... throw in SS, maybe guilt, spirit shackles, ... man there is just SO MUCH to kill a dervish with its not even funny.
any worried MMs just follow me, ill take care of you.
Silver_Fang
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Originally Posted by Horseman Of War
the MM will never die
i personally would NEVER use MM in pvp, aside from occasionally in alliance battles... I do use spiteful spirit... on my mesmer... actually i reworked my mesmer BECAUSE of dervishes.... so ... bring it on, dervs!! Mez vs Dervish is so godly... dervs hate backfire AND empathy... throw in SS, maybe guilt, spirit shackles, ... man there is just SO MUCH to kill a dervish with its not even funny. any worried MMs just follow me, ill take care of you. |
Claudia Starlight
maybe a spellcasting minion in nightfall will make everything... different..
SpeedyKQ
In PVE ranged fiends will still be good.
Fiends have always been better than horrors anyway, in Nightfall they'll be even more better.
Fiends have always been better than horrors anyway, in Nightfall they'll be even more better.
LifeInfusion
Why do people use horrors other than for Death Nova bombs and minion walling? They do less DPS than fiends...
Personally I never use horrors because fiends are just that good.
Personally I never use horrors because fiends are just that good.
Zinger314
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Why do people use horrors other than for Death Nova bombs and minion walling? They do less DPS than fiends...
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Horseman Of War
plus guys... even tho the 2 minion spell is the weakest... remember you get soul reaping for BOTH... its not an unwise descision.
personally vampire minion is my least favorite/never used...
Yeah I want a SUMMON HOMONCULOUS which will cast illusion spells on my enemies for me. Or SUMMON UNDEAD DERVISH to do aoe dmg
or.... ANIMATE TARGET ALLY (if target ally is rezzed then the minion is destroyed)
personally vampire minion is my least favorite/never used...
Yeah I want a SUMMON HOMONCULOUS which will cast illusion spells on my enemies for me. Or SUMMON UNDEAD DERVISH to do aoe dmg
or.... ANIMATE TARGET ALLY (if target ally is rezzed then the minion is destroyed)
Ermac
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3) Well of the Profane FTW
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lennymon
heh, I just ask for one simple flying minion with a frickin lazer beam, is that too much to fricken ask for? heh
Raziel665
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Well of Profane doesn't work against Dervishe's. >_>
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NinjaKai
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Originally Posted by Horseman Of War
the MM will never die
i personally would NEVER use MM in pvp, aside from occasionally in alliance battles... I do use spiteful spirit... on my mesmer... actually i reworked my mesmer BECAUSE of dervishes.... so ... bring it on, dervs!! Mez vs Dervish is so godly... dervs hate backfire AND empathy... throw in SS, maybe guilt, spirit shackles, ... man there is just SO MUCH to kill a dervish with its not even funny. any worried MMs just follow me, ill take care of you. |
Cynn Evennia
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Originally Posted by Horseman Of War
Yeah I want a SUMMON HOMONCULOUS which will cast illusion spells on my enemies for me. Or SUMMON UNDEAD DERVISH to do aoe dmg
or.... ANIMATE TARGET ALLY (if target ally is rezzed then the minion is destroyed) |
raven214
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A-Net is really good with nerfing stuff also
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ANet will likely nerf the dervish whether it needs it or not, so I wouldn't worry too much about MM's until we see more Ch3 skills.
Ermac
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Why wouldnt it? if it really doesnt, it should.
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"Exploit nearest corpse to create a Well of the Profane at its location. For 8...18 seconds, foes in that area are stripped of all Enchantments and cannot be the target of further Enchantments. (50% failure chance with Death Magic 4 or less.)"
" Note that Well of the Profane does not prevent untarget enchantments. This includes skills like Aegis, or self-cast skills like most Dervish enchantments. "
It's working as it should.
Raziel665
Aaah okay, didnt know that.
I was allready looking at Well of the Profane as a powerfull Dervish counter.
I was allready looking at Well of the Profane as a powerfull Dervish counter.
Tonev
I actually had a run in with some "Dervishes" in the event that were not "COP" dervishes and the team, I was with along with minions-Death nova-blackout and backfire put the pressure on them very well.
I did die quick to the Balthazar form they were using but the number of minions that exploded on them after I used black out (cheap tactic) ended up killing them fairly quickly.
I posted this on another forum and got flamed royally for mentioning this (and the fact that I had my wrong AL armor on).
At least I know one form that is weak to MM and that is Blathazar (provided you use the right specials).
I did die quick to the Balthazar form they were using but the number of minions that exploded on them after I used black out (cheap tactic) ended up killing them fairly quickly.
I posted this on another forum and got flamed royally for mentioning this (and the fact that I had my wrong AL armor on).
At least I know one form that is weak to MM and that is Blathazar (provided you use the right specials).