Being a huge fan of this game, I'm a little worried about the drops and stats of caster items. It's very hard to find (near) GOLD perfect stuff for a caster, let alone find them on rare skins like a platinum wand. I'm looking for weeks now to get one.
I'm playing a monk for 10 months now and before that I played as a warrior for about 6 months. I didn't have any trouble to find the rarest warrior items with perfect mods. You just have to take a look at the trade forum. A zillion daggers, swords, bows, shields etc. Perfect stormbows, platinum blades, etc. But when it comes to caster stuff, that's another ballgame.
Next to that I notice a lot of one bonus wand drops. (Recently opened 1000 high end chests). Also the mods on staffs are sometimes ridiculous in my opinion. For example, I found a staff req 12 illusion, 19% recharge blood magic, 19% recharge fire. And I get a lot of those mixed bonus staffs.
And when finally someone auctions a platinum staff (req8 smiting) 10% 10%, it goes for 100k + xxx ecto. No prob, but I prefer 20% 20%.
Something is wrong here and so I ask you, what's up with the caster stuff? Can you help me understand.
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- yes you can get perfect blues
- yes you can get greens
- yes perfect rare skins cost a lot, I don't mind. I wish I could spend my money on such an item.
What's up with the caster items?
Gun Pierson
Sekkira
I don't see anything wrong. What's your point?
Theus
I think its the fact that caster items come with random mods.
While say,axes, won't come with a +1 to Hammer Attribute.
It's stupid really.
While say,axes, won't come with a +1 to Hammer Attribute.
It's stupid really.
EternalTempest
My thoughts:
Supply and demand + Random Drops
I suspect there are more Monk & War characters vs spell casters so there items are in higher demand.
2/3 of the equipment is 1 handed items that can not be modded with an upgrade vs say a sword that you can put 2 mods on to "make" a perfect mod on it.
Supply and demand + Random Drops
I suspect there are more Monk & War characters vs spell casters so there items are in higher demand.
2/3 of the equipment is 1 handed items that can not be modded with an upgrade vs say a sword that you can put 2 mods on to "make" a perfect mod on it.
Gun Pierson
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Originally Posted by Sekkira
I don't see anything wrong. What's your point?
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My point: It's extremely hard to find perfect Gold rare skin caster stuff. Even if you have the incredible amount of money these items go, finding one is a pain in contradiction with warrior and ranger stuff for example.
J3mo
Yeah I also noticed this, req10Healing, 18%casttime of illusion, 20%recharge of blood magic, and +1 20% communing, gg 
That kinda stuff
But you wont get Axe 6-28
+1 hammer mastery 20%
That kinda stuff
But you wont get Axe 6-28
+1 hammer mastery 20%
The Herbalizer
Er there is cheap caster stuff you can buy gold 10/10 staffs for 10k ish. Some go for 100k + as they are rarer than the other skins i.e. ghostly or platinum.
Zakarr
Staffs which three profession modifiers are quite useless. These kind of combos should be removed from the roll pool so people get something useful instead these weird ones.
Gun Pierson
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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer
Er there is cheap caster stuff you can buy gold 10/10 staffs for 10k ish. Some go for 100k + as they are rarer than the other skins i.e. ghostly or platinum.
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The Herbalizer
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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson
True and that's what I'm obliged to buy as I don't find those rare skins on the market even though I have the money. And that's kinda frustrating as I spend hours and hours watching the trade forum and ingame trades. While with my warrior I can have the rarest skin items in no time.
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Gold 20/20 Smite Ghostly Staff
Gold 10/10 Curses Ghostly Staff
Gold 10/10 Divine Ghostly Staff
Gold 9/9 Domination (I think) Ghostly Staff
Gold 8/8 Orrish Earth Staff
Gold 20/20 Protection Staff
Gold 20/20 Divine Staff
Gold 10/20 Smite Staff
Gold 10/20 Blood Staff
I found the above staffs with relative ease. Not once did I go out of my way to find them. Some of them are very rare such as the Orrish Earth Staff and the ghostly staffs.
There are alot of nice staffs on highend right now. There was a 10/10 Double Dragon Head staff which along with the Orrish Earth staff is most probably the rarest staff in Tyria. There are alot of Ghostly staffs too. They are one of the rarest and most desirable staffs in prophecies.
Warriors done get it easy like you make out. Sure I can go buy a perfect shield or something but some of the rarer skins can take up to a year to find. Finding a perfect Magmas shield would be very hard. Same with crude shields. IMHO I find it way easier to get nice staffs than it is to find good warrior weapons. My staff collection which is made up of 30-40 perfect / very rare staffs is finished way before I am even nearly finished with my warrior weapons.
I dont think you have really looked to be honest as I will go and get you alot of links to rare / expensive staffs in the next few minutes.
Two April Mornings
i have to agree with the OP
it only took a few days to properly equip my warrior with some high end stuff, but it has taken several months to get my mesmer the appropriate high end gear
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Then again, back then, back 8 months ago, it cost me 200k for a 10/10 staff.
it only took a few days to properly equip my warrior with some high end stuff, but it has taken several months to get my mesmer the appropriate high end gear
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Then again, back then, back 8 months ago, it cost me 200k for a 10/10 staff.
Gun Pierson
@ the herbalizer: Yes indeed, staffs with 10/10 are not that hard to find. That smiting ghostly staff 20/20 you have there is beautiful but that's the only staff in your list of that calibre, for me anyway. And you probably won't sell it?
But I'm actually talking about Platinum wands and Zodiac scepters with two good mods. Those are incredible difficult to find, not staffs with 10/10 (except for example Plat staff). Some mods on staffs are kinda unplayable like I mentionned earlier.
But I'm actually talking about Platinum wands and Zodiac scepters with two good mods. Those are incredible difficult to find, not staffs with 10/10 (except for example Plat staff). Some mods on staffs are kinda unplayable like I mentionned earlier.
Aera
No probs finding perfect warrior stuff? I'd freakin wish I'd find a perfect shield...
Legendary Shiz
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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson
Being a huge fan of this game, I'm a little worried about the drops and stats of caster items. It's very hard to find (near) GOLD perfect stuff for a caster, let alone find them on rare skins like a platinum wand. I'm looking for weeks now to get one.
I'm playing a monk for 10 months now and before that I played as a warrior for about 6 months. I didn't have any trouble to find the rarest warrior items with perfect mods. You just have to take a look at the trade forum. A zillion daggers, swords, bows, shields etc. Perfect stormbows, platinum blades, etc. But when it comes to caster stuff, that's another ballgame. Next to that I notice a lot of one bonus wand drops. (Recently opened 1000 high end chests). Also the mods on staffs are sometimes ridiculous in my opinion. For example, I found a staff req 12 illusion, 19% recharge blood magic, 19% recharge fire. And I get a lot of those mixed bonus staffs. And when finally someone auctions a platinum staff (req8 smiting) 10% 10%, it goes for 100k + xxx ecto. Something is wrong here and so I ask you, what's up with the caster stuff? Can you help me understand. |
You complain about them never dropping, and then you wonder why they are so high priced? BECAUSE THEY NEVER DROP. lol
Though I agree to a point that they could make fix up some of the mixed mods, because it's honestly ridiculous getting something with two mods from two difference classes with a req from another.
Gun Pierson
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Originally Posted by Aera
No probs finding perfect warrior stuff? I'd freakin wish I'd find a perfect shield...
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Perfect warrior stuff should be no problem, but on rare skins it's not that easy too in certain cases I admit. But still nothing compared with the search for let's say a platinum req 8-9 healing wand with 20 recharge and 20 casting time.
Bahumhat
Which is why we have greens 
Gun Pierson
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Originally Posted by Legendary Shiz
I don't think you realize what your saying.
You complain about them never dropping, and then you wonder why they are so high priced? BECAUSE THEY NEVER DROP. lol Though I agree to a point that they could make fix up some of the mixed mods, because it's honestly ridiculous getting something with two mods from two difference classes with a req from another. |
@ Bahumhat: yes lol, only prob there's no green monk item yet with the platinum wand or zodiac scepter skin. And I prefer gold over green if possible. Still playing with certain green offhands though.
Legendary Shiz
Farm for the gold for it. That's what everybody else does.
blakk
well, i agree with OP as well staffs with dual conflicting bonuses make no sence to me. that said take the other option
i have in my possession a staf just like ghials 20%/20% energy+5 Death+1 20%
but its a collector staff, i paid 10kish k for the +1 20% component and got the staff from collector. in my opionion when you want a good staff that you will use you have 2 options
1 get a collectors staff and mod it
2 get a green staff.
if your REAL lucky youll get a decent drop, but it takes less time to farm the desert and get the money for the mods than it does to wait for the staff to drop.
i have in my possession a staf just like ghials 20%/20% energy+5 Death+1 20%
but its a collector staff, i paid 10kish k for the +1 20% component and got the staff from collector. in my opionion when you want a good staff that you will use you have 2 options
1 get a collectors staff and mod it
2 get a green staff.
if your REAL lucky youll get a decent drop, but it takes less time to farm the desert and get the money for the mods than it does to wait for the staff to drop.
Legendary Shiz
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Originally Posted by Bahumhat
Which is why we have greens
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Greens do infact dominate the caster scene.
The Herbalizer
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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson
Depends on what you're looking for ofcourse, but you do have a bigger pool of items to choose from, that simply appear on the market.
Perfect warrior stuff should be no problem, but on rare skins it's not that easy too in certain cases I admit. But still nothing compared with the search for let's say a platinum req 8-9 healing wand with 20 recharge and 20 casting time. |
Common skin 20/20 staffs are relatively easy to get if you wait and browse the high end forums alot. Perfect shields with common skins are also easy to find. But if you want a perfect Magmas, Crude Shield etc you will be waiting a very very long time. These are shields with rare skins and to find perfect ones is very difficult. Same could be said about 20/20 Zodiac caster items. They are a rare skin and the inherent mods are semi-rare on common caster skins so to find them on a rare skin is very rare hence why they cost alot.
Gun Pierson
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Originally Posted by Legendary Shiz
Such a true statement. I bet there are many more green caster items being used than golds. Come to think of it, my only caster character (monk) uses green items (rajazan for 55 and Scar Eater for healer).
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Hockster
Why is this a shock? There's 5 caster classes, all with multiple magic attribute lines. The possible mod combinations are exponentially larger than with melee weapons.
XvArchonvX
I personally would love to see an increase in the quality of staff drops for casters (i.e. more 20% items with mods that actually match the req).
Greens are nice, but one green staff that I would love to see would be a 20/20 healing staff with an insightful mod and fortitude or enchant wrapping mod. As it is atm, the only 20/20 healing staves available have no insightful mod which is pretty important for a monk. Wenslaus Faith is about as close as it comes, but it's a 10/10 and not a 20/20 staff.
Greens are nice, but one green staff that I would love to see would be a 20/20 healing staff with an insightful mod and fortitude or enchant wrapping mod. As it is atm, the only 20/20 healing staves available have no insightful mod which is pretty important for a monk. Wenslaus Faith is about as close as it comes, but it's a 10/10 and not a 20/20 staff.
XvArchonvX
*edit* I don't think Guru likes Firefox. Sorry for the double post.
NinjaKai
Personally i'm getting irritated myself with the item generator. I can't understand how it thinks we need a 3 attribute weapon.
@XvArchonvX: I know what you mean I have had plenty of nicely skinned staves. With mods that I couldn't possibly use.
@The Herbalizer: Like you said "high end" not all of us have that kind of gold. And not all of us have that kind of time.
@XvArchonvX: I know what you mean I have had plenty of nicely skinned staves. With mods that I couldn't possibly use.
@The Herbalizer: Like you said "high end" not all of us have that kind of gold. And not all of us have that kind of time.
Dr Strangelove
Agreed with the OP.
Green items and collectors items are usable, but it's stupid that 99.9% of gold caster items are unusable. Herbalizer, the staves you bought are, in fact, quite rare. They are very high end items with supply lower than even some of the most valuable warrior skins. if you browse the sell section, the price check section, LA d1, or any other market, gold caster weapons are a minority if present at all, despite making up 62.5% of the classes in the game.
There are plenty of nice looking staves that I'd love to have, but I've never seen any without remotely usable stats.
As for using greens and collectors only, how do you tihnk the warrior crowd would feel if they had to drop all their gold skins? No more fellblades, chaos axes, magmas shields, gothic axes? Think we'd see much moaning then?
Anet, fix the item generator. There's no point in making multi-class items. It may even be worthwhile to make the mods have to be the same as the requirement.
Green items and collectors items are usable, but it's stupid that 99.9% of gold caster items are unusable. Herbalizer, the staves you bought are, in fact, quite rare. They are very high end items with supply lower than even some of the most valuable warrior skins. if you browse the sell section, the price check section, LA d1, or any other market, gold caster weapons are a minority if present at all, despite making up 62.5% of the classes in the game.
There are plenty of nice looking staves that I'd love to have, but I've never seen any without remotely usable stats.
As for using greens and collectors only, how do you tihnk the warrior crowd would feel if they had to drop all their gold skins? No more fellblades, chaos axes, magmas shields, gothic axes? Think we'd see much moaning then?
Anet, fix the item generator. There's no point in making multi-class items. It may even be worthwhile to make the mods have to be the same as the requirement.
Legendary Shiz
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Personally i'm getting irritated myself with the item generator. I can't understand how it thinks we need a 3 attribute weapon.
@XvArchonvX: I know what you mean I have had plenty of nicely skinned staves. With mods that I couldn't possibly use. @The Herbalizer: Like you said "high end" not all of us have that kind of gold. And not all of us have that kind of time. |
If you want something bad enough to whine about it on a MB, you obviously have the time to go farm the gold for it.
Gun Pierson
My suggestion is:
1. Remove the non playable inherent mods (3 classes) from the drop pool.
2. Lower the amount of 2 class inherent mod staves from the drop pool. Maybe this way they'll be worth something too.
3. Increase the amount of quality caster item drops. I'm not talking about a 24/7 drop fest.
1. Remove the non playable inherent mods (3 classes) from the drop pool.
2. Lower the amount of 2 class inherent mod staves from the drop pool. Maybe this way they'll be worth something too.
3. Increase the amount of quality caster item drops. I'm not talking about a 24/7 drop fest.
Dr Strangelove
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So what are you suggesting? That they nerf the prices on them by having them drop 24/7? No thank you.
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Legendary Shiz
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What price? When was the last time you saw a perfect rare skin stave selling? How many have you sold? There is no market for them, they're just too rare. A perfect 20/20 staff is about as common as a perfect crystalline or sephis axe. It's possible, but rare beyond all logic.
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NinjaKai
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So what are you suggesting? That they nerf the prices on them by having them drop 24/7? No thank you.
If you want something bad enough to whine about it on a MB, you obviously have the time to go farm the gold for it. |
My post was in response to the fact that odd stat weapons being generated makes it harder to get decent weapons. It takes longer to get decent caster weapons because there is a shortage of proper stat weapons.
The Herbalizer posted about waiting in the high end forums. The high end forums normally have items with a large price tag. Not something an average gamer can afford. Simply waiting does not improve the current situation.
Andisa Kalorn
I agree with the OP. My warrior/ranger/assassin mostly use golds, those that I've found myself, and I've sold many other weapons with perfect stats. But my casters all rely almost entirely upon greens and collector items. If I want a skin, I hope there's a green with that skin. Almost all the gold caster items I get are useless. It's just stupid that warrior weapons won't have +1 to even another warrior attribute, but caster weapons are likely to bonuses for completely different professions. Although shields occasionally have stupid mods too, I've still found far more perfect or near perfect shields than any caster weapon or offhand.
cosyfiep
I think those multi-classed weapons are only made for the salvage oppourtunity...and not the actual using of that staff.
I gave up looking for good gold caster items and instead just went with the collector or weaponsmith versions....a heck of a lot cheaper and you can buy what you want when you want to (for the most part), then all you need to do is get the mods for the staves. AND some of those wands have 2 mods already so pair it up with a good focus (say +1 20% and health +30) and you have a pretty good wand/focus combo---and you got it for a bunch of moon shells and putrid cysts!
I gave up looking for good gold caster items and instead just went with the collector or weaponsmith versions....a heck of a lot cheaper and you can buy what you want when you want to (for the most part), then all you need to do is get the mods for the staves. AND some of those wands have 2 mods already so pair it up with a good focus (say +1 20% and health +30) and you have a pretty good wand/focus combo---and you got it for a bunch of moon shells and putrid cysts!
Seef II
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Originally Posted by Bahumhat
Which is why we have greens
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I've purchased two relatively cheap 10/10 staves (15 and 12k, earth and water) so those aren't too bad. 10/10s are a great place to start, since you won't have the multiprofession stress. It's just the probability of finding those two mods together with a reasonable req... the head and wrapping are cheap enough in LA d1.
Y.T.
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Originally Posted by Zakarr
Staffs which three profession modifiers are quite useless. These kind of combos should be removed from the roll pool so people get something useful instead these weird ones.
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LifeInfusion
I use collectors and crafters on my casters for this reason. I have not found any 20/20 staves with the same attribute line for their requirement and stats, up to this day.