Who else is getin sick of people below lvl 20 in the Random arena?

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19 Aug 2006 at 19:58 - 41
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Originally Posted by Axe N Smash
Lambentviper, ya and you changed that W/Mo real fast after you saw that mistake as well, and yes therees peopel that leave, that we cant fix, but they leave due to the low lvls, which is the reson why they mess up the game.
W/Me? the only character reference by abbreviation was Mo/Me. and even if it was W/Me, they could still cast hexes lmao

and once again....you say low lvls mess up games because it makes people leave. So then if people stopped leaving the low levels wouldnt mess up the games. Which in turn, is solid fact that it is the people leaving that messes up the games.

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And just cuz they got Ts or vent dosent make them a more better group, idiots also use them incase you forgoten.
your perfectly right. Noobs use voice servers to.



But even being noobs, it opens up venues to increase ability in teamwork. Which, makes a better group. Noob group from TA with a VS > Noob group from RA

or actually... Noobs with a VS > Noobs without

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19 Aug 2006 at 20:04 - 42
In that quote of yours it says W/Mo, read you idiot, 2nd peopel leave due to the low lvls, so therefore bannin low lvls will decrase the leavers, but true you cant stop them all, but the fewer the better in im not mistaken, and the low lvls are wekaer than lvl 20s, due to weaker skills and lower hp, and somethimes weaker armor. Which means even if everyone stays, you have a lower chance of wining.

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19 Aug 2006 at 20:09 - 43
yes, but what happens when the noobs make the worng command and keep attacking someone liek a warrior instead of a more imporant player, and not all players in both RA and TA are noobs, so you gota rember that as well.

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19 Aug 2006 at 20:10 - 44
so then ANet should ban all people below level 20, with non-max armor, none pvp-core skills, and non-max HP, right?

plenty of level 20 monks in RA have 55 health. Should they not be allowed in?


and you changed your post as i was typing my response to your qoute you non-dial user (as is this computer) you! tricky tricky....

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19 Aug 2006 at 20:13 - 45
And not eveyrone in Ta has Ts or Vent, so TA isnt the greatest cuz about 75% of the peopel do not have them, and somedays 75% do, it all depends on the people that are playin eahc day, and sometimes the TA is almsot complty empty.

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19 Aug 2006 at 20:14 - 46
You rarely see a 55 monk in the pvp arenas.

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19 Aug 2006 at 20:16 - 47
And plus, alot of people have slow internet, and with two programs liek Ts or Vent and GW runin at the same time, they could majorly lagg badly, therefore casueing 1 player to be pretty much inacitve.

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19 Aug 2006 at 20:18 - 48
your exactly right. But its easier to take the chance of forming a VS group. Not like you get a group of characters you want and all go into battle and assume your all using the same VS, on the same channel, on the same host IP/server address. These are the things you should set up before hand

And you cant do anything about noobs who dont follow targets. Thats like makeing ANet not let you press "Enter Battle" if you dont have a res sig in your bar.

Some thing are common sense, like ressing a team mate...but ANet, nor i, are responsible for the idiotic actions of teamates. Even if it brings the team to defeat, it was there choice ( sober or not ) to do that...and its not hard to wait at most another 30 seconds to get into a new fight.

remembet that TA stands for TEAM arenas. Not randomg pick-up-group arenas, as more often than not, RA implies.

Im not trying to pressure you, AnS, nor am i assuming or demining your pvp abilites, but if you havent already: find a good, solid pvp guild (can sometimes be as hard as finding compitent monks and/or tanks) and then its ALOT easier to do TA and all PvP.

Honestly, ive played with more idiots in TA than not, but when you play with your guild...there is the premeditated mind-set that your a team, and that morale can give advantages on the field. I worry when i see a guild team in TA. Im sure others do as well.


EDIT** ok, you posted twice more since i started typing this doctrine, and i believe the 2 points you present can be answered clearly

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19 Aug 2006 at 20:29 - 49
Personally I go into RA because its quick, random, and I don't have to stand a round forever doing nothing just to go in and the second something doesn't go perfect you lose people and have to stand around again trying to find a replacement. RA I can jump right into whenever I want, and also don't have to bother running some stupid FoTM build or rely on other people not rage quitting.

It's random, imbalances happen. You get extremely good teams and get a good run, you get a bad team and your out of there pretty quickly. The best PVP fights are the ones that are close, and you have to give it your all to win. Having someone not at least upto par immediately lumps you in the "bad team" bracket... When you factor in the probability that they likely don't have max armor or an actual half-way decent build for pvp, its not worth the time.

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19 Aug 2006 at 20:30 - 50
And most PvP soild guilds ive been in were some of the idiotic pvpers ive ever seen, and we had to many people sayin they pvped twhen they only pve(they wernt at the aernas they said they were at and i saw them in pve when i went on to my pve) and yes your right, A.net cant do eveythin that wed liek them to do, but to me and alot of others, RA is fun, true TA is rather good to you picking groups, and yes if you find a good pvp guild youll do good, but i dont just like doin pvp over and over liek some, i liek to play other games, and ive been in ones where if you dont pvp at least twice with the guild, your booted, and ive seen alot of guilds that have a rule thats sorta like that, and i do play pvp alot, but i take breaks to,(i do have a life after all) im just sayin dont alow them in RA, im just sick of seenin them in there, and if they wana pvp they can just go make a pvp char in like 1-2 mins, easy as that. And befor you say, "Well what if they noobs?" my answer is we cnat fix thta, but at least they will deal more dmg and last longer, and yes it sounds like i just want people like that, but they might not be noobs now could they? They could actully have a decent pvp build, and they might not, its all in how people use there barin and skills they have, but beenin belwo lvl 20 means you cannot deal as much dmg and die faster cuz you moslty get tragted by a eley with stone arrows, flare, ice spear, ect and get killed fast, if your lvl 20 they migth not gang up or might just go and attack someoen whso atatckign them or kill a mroe imporant perosn(ill answer more when you give me anthor answer from you).

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19 Aug 2006 at 20:32 - 51
Xioden proves anthor point i was goin to say(in a differnt way of crouse)and hes right, i spent 1 hour lookin for 1 group, and it was for nothin cuz we had rage quiters in it, and it just makes peoples day and game worse and worse, RA is easy due to getin a team real fast and most of the time you dont see rage quiters.

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19 Aug 2006 at 20:36 - 52
Xioden, finally someone has expressed in words why i prefer RA over TA during those longs nights with nothing to do because im not a fan of catering my drunk friends around all night.

For those exact reasons do i not care if there is a low level in my team, or if someone is just there to try and crazy new build. I go into RA expecting it to be different and full of non-cookie cutter builds. I enjoy the fight more when i dont know what im up against.

In TA, you got a dual bunny thump smiter team, in HA you got IWAY or OGspike, in RA, you got people without res sigs and W/N's spamming Necrotic Traversal.

Guess ya gotta take what you can get :/

Once again AnS, that it why i said to find a pvp serious guild if you want to really play in TA, and reap the benefits of ragequitting noobs XD And also like i said, its hard to do!

But lol just cuz your level 14 or so doesnt mean you do less damage!! Lemme give you a little lesson on game mechanics

A level 14 E/Mo. Has 12 points into earth magic. Uses a sup run, and a +1 to earth headgear for total of 16 earth magic.

A level 20 E/Mo. Has 12 points into earth magic. Uses a sup run, and a +1 to earth headgear for total of 16 earth magic.

Either way, they do the same damage.

Same goes for warriors and their swords...level doesnt matter. You could be level 20 and not done all the +15 attribute point quests, in fact, my level 20 Rt/Me vengeful farmer hasnt.

But my level 16 R/Mo beastmaster has

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19 Aug 2006 at 20:37 - 53
Lambentviper, incase you've forgtoen, Tanks are useless in pvp, and monks i dont reley on heavily due to them soemtimes bein ehtir; A:noobs B:idiots C:both noobs and idiots or D: they are simters, booner who forgets to cast boon, a 55, or a noob who only heals himself(evem if its in your own guild) and yes i knwo im sayin this late, got bored and decied to post about it :P

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19 Aug 2006 at 20:40 - 54
Yes they all have differnt things, but if there wasent low lvls, it might be funner and more of a chance of winning a game.

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19 Aug 2006 at 20:48 - 55
Yes but theres a great hp differnce, and the lvl 14 has lower engery, what if they use 3 skills that causes exhaustion? They have no enegey pretty much and most likey they are usein skills that cost 10+ engery cost, which leaves them useless dosent it? But the lvl 20 has enought engery to cast the needed spells and both the lvl 20 and lvl 14 have differnt skills, a lvl 14 most likey hasent had xp in battles vs players much, but the lvl 20 might and brigns like 1 skill that causes exhaustion and only uses it once and the rest are skilsl he can use, while the lvl 14 might be a idiot and castes them alot and makes him self useless.

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19 Aug 2006 at 20:51 - 56
Note:im still sobering, so some of my post not make sense.

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19 Aug 2006 at 20:54 - 57
ok now, who the hell deleted that post i spent like 20 minutes typing!!??
**grumbles**

either way, heres another to deal with recent posts:

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Originally Posted by Axe N Smash
but beenin belwo lvl 20 means you cannot deal as much dmg and die faster cuz you moslty get tragted by a eley with stone arrows,
lemme re-write this real quick:

"But being below level 20 means you cannot deal as much damage and you are likely to die faster because you will most likely get targeted (<--thats just a guess) by an ele with..." stone arrows!?? Fire Arrows + Stone Daggers?

either way...there we have it, so now:

*Being below level 20 does not mean you do less damage.

*Being beloe level 20 could possibly mean being targeted before others..given the exact level, and whether or not there is a monk on your team. Note: this could also rely on the ability of the other team to follow instructions and/or reasoning. (to many conditions to really make much a difference)

*level 14 E/Mo casts...stone arrows at 16 (earth?) (fire?) magic will do the same amount of damage as a level 20 E/Mo with 16 points into its respectable attribute.


MYTHS BUSTED!


**EDIT** interesting...my previous post has reappeared 0.o lmao straange.

well anyways, im fully aware of the pointlessness of tanks in pvp. Thats why i shun warriors who use gladiators defence and especially Dolyak Signet (dun dun dunnnn)

i mean, is it really that hard to walk (literally, walk) around someone with dolyak sig on or to stop attacking someone with gladiators defence. And GD is to situational, hexes get past it, everything but actual "moving my arm to attack the target" skills work through..makeing it a wasted elite in a pvp slot that should be used to do high damage to targets.

but if i may ask, where did you get this idea to start talking about tanks usefullness in pvp? seems outa no-where to me

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19 Aug 2006 at 20:57 - 58
hold, what happen to all the quote? omg theres some werid crap goin around here, i said stone arrows flare metor ect

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19 Aug 2006 at 21:01 - 59
~afk~

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19 Aug 2006 at 21:09 - 60
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Originally Posted by Axe N Smash
Yes but theres a great hp differnce, and the lvl 14 has lower engery, what if they use 3 skills
that causes exhaustion? They have no enegey pretty much and most likey they are usein skills
that cost 10+ engery cost, which leaves them useless dosent it? But the lvl 20 has enought
engery to cast the needed spells and both the lvl 20 and lvl 14 have differnt skills,
a lvl 14 most likey hasent had xp in battles vs players much,
1) "Yes but theres a great hp differnce" that would depend on if the level 20 is using
many sup and/or major runes. Also depends on what weapons the lower level is using.
The Woe Spreader (necro death green) gives +60 health. RULEING: too situational

2) "and the lvl 14 has lower engery No, they dont. enough said.

3) "a lvl 14 most likey hasent had xp in battles vs players much" have you ever thought
that maybe the level 14 has other characters!?? 0.o Maybe they do have a level 20, but dont
feel like playing it. WHich means they would have prior expirience in pvp

this is really turning out to be a joke...im not here to constantly correct you on all of your
false information.


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Yes they all have differnt things, but if there wasent low lvls,
it might be funner and more of a chance of winning a game.
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What RA are you from? In fact, where i play RA, i havent seen a level below level 20 in about
3 months or so. Which leaves high odds for a chance to have a typical, all level 20 game.

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19 Aug 2006 at 21:12 - 61
not an arguement, debate of points.

yes, there is something weird going on here...but nothing involving quotes.

I was getting at the fact that there IS NO SUCH SKILL as STONE ARROWS. kkthnxbye.

..but not on flare and meteor. you hit those ones on the head of the nail!

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19 Aug 2006 at 21:12 - 62
go look at my post i placed about 1-2 hours ago, and i had more pvps with lower lvls than that just 2 days ago

and last week i ha d10 battles in a row and all had someoen lower than lvl 20

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19 Aug 2006 at 21:15 - 63
*Stone Daggers, so what if i did a typo? Got the names mixed up, no need to go all beserk

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19 Aug 2006 at 21:17 - 64
maybe you havent heard about the update this weekend.

Where newly created pvp players can go to all kinds of pvp places within the pve land.

There are people in the Great Temple of Balthazar that transport you to those places. Now i shouldnt need to remind you that the GToB is easily accessible by people from Lions Arch and have just made it off of Noob Island. SO there is going to be alot more low levels in pvp this weekend.

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19 Aug 2006 at 21:21 - 65
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maybe you havent heard about the update this weekend.

Where newly created pvp players can go to all kinds of pvp places within the pve land.

There are people in the Great Temple of Balthazar that transport you to those places. Now i shouldnt need to remind you that the GToB is easily accessible by people from Lions Arch and have just made it off of Noob Island. SO there is going to be alot more low levels in pvp this weekend.
ya newly created PVP, not pve

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19 Aug 2006 at 21:22 - 66
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*Stone Daggers, so what if i did a typo? Got the names mixed up, no need to go all beserk
i wasnt going berserk*1 lol. I was just confused as to which skill you were talking about. But now that i know its stone daggers it would almost make more sense to be Fire Arrows since you named them with Flare and Meteor, both fire-magic skills :P

*1 Berserk: The original original IWAY. Berserk consisted of 6 Warrior/Rangers with pets used to confuse enemies into thinking it was fighting the whole team while 2 order necros with 55 health hid in the spawn. At that time Orders were a World Enchantment and affected all players at any distance

just a bit o' history

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19 Aug 2006 at 21:26 - 67
"ya newly created pvp, not pve"

true, but all pve can still get there. Here, try this: Take your pve character, and if they are already level 20, pretend they are much lower and you just got off of Noob Island and payed 5k for a run to Kaineng Center, but later found out you could walk it solo -.-

You head to the docks...well...nvm, just hit M and look at the map. CLick the boat and you can go to the GToB. Newly made pve? yes. Access to GToB? yes.

<----- w0.ot JUNGLE GUIDE!!

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19 Aug 2006 at 21:29 - 68
ok i diditn understand ONE SINGLE WORD YOU SAID at all.

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19 Aug 2006 at 21:32 - 69
really, after correcting you on your previous posts about level 20s haveing more energy then lower levels, im not surprised that you cant even navgiate the world map

you should join this great guild...you should reeeaaaaly enjoy it:

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19 Aug 2006 at 21:38 - 70
im more of a pvp, RoF was the only best part of pve

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19 Aug 2006 at 21:39 - 71
when i see a <lvl 20 i immediately leave no questions asked

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19 Aug 2006 at 21:43 - 72
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Yes leaving is the best idea, but alot of times i get far into winning,then a dude leaves(has to go or somethin) and heres the thing that really pisses me off, i get a weak lvl and all the sudden my winning streak ends, even though we try, we still lose, so im tryin to get them banned from the Random arena, plus leaving just makes me even madder, cuz then i gota wait for awhile till the next match, and sometimes im with 2 other good people and that weak lvl messes up the group, and finding a good group in Random arena is hard. And im sure alot of people have had this happen to them befor, and i bet alot of people argee with me on this idea as well.
READ THIS BEFOR YOU SAY JUST LEAVE!

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19 Aug 2006 at 21:52 - 73
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when i see a <lvl 20 i immediately leave no questions asked
is that because your too lazy to spend the whopping 1-2 minutes takeing the defeat with the possibility of scoring a few faction points? Missing out on the chance to actually win and boast "hah we beat you with a level 13 R/E spamming flare on our team" like ive gotten to do a few time to many?


because ya know...you just gotta map outa there as fast as you can. You dont wanna catch Molaria or something. God forbid you helped your team out.

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19 Aug 2006 at 22:03 - 74
What you guys were saying about the HP of a char lower than 20 is less, well it is. Comparing that to the hp of a lvl 20 with loads of sup runes on is not good, because who in their right mind uses more than one (if any) in RA and TA (where it's pretty much your only defence against vamp spikers)?

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19 Aug 2006 at 22:09 - 75
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Originally Posted by Lambentviper
is that because your too lazy to spend the whopping 1-2 minutes takeing the defeat with the possibility of scoring a few faction points? Missing out on the chance to actually win and boast "hah we beat you with a level 13 R/E spamming flare on our team" like ive gotten to do a few time to many?


because ya know...you just gotta map outa there as fast as you can. You dont wanna catch Molaria or something. God forbid you helped your team out.
ya im a bad guy for not wanting a noob on my team

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19 Aug 2006 at 22:11 - 76
I've never won with a team that had at least one person under Level 20. God, even though I've played many RA games, it is extremely annoying.

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This has degraded into only a few people arguing/flaming.

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