Stop Limiting Us!

I've gotten bored to tears with Guild Wars because at this point I've done everything that's worth doing and I've spent a lot of time doing it. Now I finally want to relax and play around. Yes, I want to play and have fun. But there's something that's stopping me from it, and here's the thing.

Why doesn't the PVP character screen just make the characters PVE? I've unlocked the skills, I want to mess around in PVE as a minion master some time or a monk for the heck of it. Why can't I do that? I've already beaten the game once, why should I have to waste many hours leveling up and creating a new character that I'll probably toss away anyway because I wanted to try something new? Isn't the game about skill not grind? I don't really see why we should be limited from having our pve character use unlocked skills... I mean do they really expect us to unlock all the skills painstakingly on one character if we want to explore the possibilities? I personally don't see anything wrong with that.

So my suggestions are the following, some are more extreme than the other, you can choose your level of how much would be good.

Suggestion 1: You can always roll a character of a campaign at level 1, but after you've obtained the protector title once, you can roll a character of that campaign at level 20 with anything you've unlocked just as you would a pvp character, and if you've obtained a 100% exploration title you will have all towns on the map.

Suggestion 2: After a character has ascended, any skills your account has unlocked are granted to that character. Then add in people to the great temple of balthazar to distribute PVP items, and PVP upgrades customized to the player. Each character is limited to only 2 main hand and 2 off hand items, but if you discard them you can get different ones.

That's basically what I'm asking. This game's just too boring to keep farming more skill points and throwing away money I've already unlocked with faction.

Some how I doubt you've done everything you can do. Do you have both friends titles at max? I'm sure if you think about it, you can find a few more things to do, or you could take some time off, go outside and enjoy the weather and come back in a few months when Nightfall is released.

I actually quite like both the ideas..gets irritating buying the same skill over and over and over

I've gotten both grandmaster cartography titles and protector titles for a while now, I've been doing a lot of pvp lately and I've gotten several pvp titles so I'm glad, and I hate to PUG PVP so I like to go into PVE, but I've done everything worth doing in my oppinion, I don't feel like I should grind out 10,000 chests or gold IDs or minutes drunk, and I absolutely hate the kurzicks and luxons, why the hell would I give up stuff I can trade in for crafting materials to start another new title that I don't even like. Seriously, I already have like 4 pvp titles and you can only display 1 anyway so it's even more pointless.

I said I wanted to have FUN not to complete everything by grinding my way to all titles. TYVM.

You know, at first I thought this was a good idea...then I actually read it.

I'm sorry, but if you don't want to work for your stuff everytime you want it, you don't deserve it. I'm not trying to be rude or anything, and I suspect I'll get flamed for my opinion, as that seems to be the thing to do on forums these days, but seriously, I've played through both games 7+ times, and have not once asked for anything to be handed to me.

In short; Don't want to work for it again? Then don't.

Titles mean nothing anyway other than that you're seriously into wall hugging or play way too much, everyone managed without them before Factions came out, and the way I see it, they was only put in so that people would keep playing and pouring money back into the game economy.

I don't see how that really works out. That's like stepping back and saying I should have to work for my PVP character... And I have done the work for it, I unlocked the skill once, I don't believe you should ever have to get that skill ever again.

Just put the game away and take a break, allowing this option actually promotes grind, because you would have to do all of the things you have done in order to get the suggestion you ask for. You're just asking casual players to complain about something they will probrably never reach.

When someone says something like: "You havn't done everything. How about xxxxx?", I just can't believe how someone can think like that. Have you ever stopped and started thinking that they don't want to do something like that because it's boring, pointless, and extremely time consuming?

Thats how PVE is like, and i REALY dont think it should have the "PVP" elements bound to it...

PVE is all about long term relations whith the char you create, its not something dispendable like a PVP char, you dye the armors the way you want it, you get the weapons whith the skins you like and so on...

If this thread had a "sign" option I would definetely say:

/notsigned

Now you're speaking my language. All I want to do is have fun with a game with skills I've already unlocked. I'm just playing a game, why should I be limited from using them, that just seems unfair. I think the ideas I'm proposing are really quite simple, and they don't really affect people who want to grind.

Is there really a problem with me for playing through the game with a mesmer and doing a lot of stuff then wanting to go back and try to play a few select missions as a monk one day for fun, then maybe a different few as a minion master, then maybe a ranger or assassin the next, provided I have the skill unlocked for my account, they should hand it to me. Is that really so bad?

It's not a bad idea.

I think you're getting greedy. You have unlocked all the skills, so you obviously PvP a lot.

Now a long time ago, they introduced a thing that made it so that ALL unlocked skills would be available to PvE characters at all Skill Trainers (as long as the skills are from that Campaign).

Now all you have to do is make a character at Shing Jea, and buy all the skills you want. It won't even cost that much because it's a new character and it takes a while for skills to cost 1k each.

This idea seems to be based on the idea that "skills cost too much", which I don't think is true. As with most things in Guild Wars, they want us to "waste" our VIRTUAL money. What next, armor being given to you if you have 14 Rank?

ive worked for 8 hours already and made my pay, i already proved i worked. why do i still have to work to get paid?

different day different shit. get it right pls

My stuff is in bold in the quote above incase you overlooked it. I think floppinghog was trying to support my cause, but honestly I don't quite understand everything he's saying lol. Anyway, thank you!

That is the purpose of PvE. People enjoy the character development part of things. If you are bore, there are other means of entertainment to keep your self happy. What would you do in game with this new easy made character? Kill stuff? Farm Green? Earn gold? and to what purpose? To finance your PvE character? (aka, develop your character more) Which would just mean you are seeking an easier way to play your characters.

With a fast made lv 20 UAX character, I smell easy farming to the latest craze.

I might agree, if you said you want the new made character to be unable to take any item and gold drops. Than that would truely follow your idea of play around. Else, a PvP character would be enought for this role.

But I would almost agree... but to see it come true, would expect GW's game world and playing philophy to have massive a change (from a mock-mmo to quick-stop mini game), and not sure if it is desirble to see that.

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Say you are growing an apple tree. After 3 years of care, it finally fruited. Now you want to grow a orange tree, but expect it to give you orange overnight, just because already got an apple tree.

edit: actionjack said it better then me lol

totally agreed

You know even GMs have to level up their characters, farm for gold and items, and follow all the skill nerfs and buffs in the game right?

The game has limitations because its part of the contruct of how the game is playe.

There isnt a sandbox mode. This isnt Rollercoaster Tycoon. This isn't Sims.

This is an RPG.

-.-

That just made me think... we need a save option! Everyone knows that people in online games should be able to save right? I mean, I always save my BF2 online games when I get bored, then load it up some other time...

^^^lol sacrasm ftw

save function would be cool as would a "rewind" function so if you get owned you can rewind back and do it again..

ok sarcasm off...your idea will not go down well with many if any at all, there is no online game which does not include some kind of grind many infact require alot more grind the GW

this idea should never and prob never be put in place

"Work"? I'm pretty sure you've lost your minds. video games are supposed to be "Fun".

i'll keep to grinding to lvl20 even if they add this "idea" it imo destroys the reason behind lvling

gaining knowledge and understanding through doing and dying

QFT

I think that giving people the option to do this would be fun for all. If your idea of fun is grinding for skills you've already bought once (or twice/thrice/blah), or your idea is getting every city on the map, AGAIN, or maybe your idea of fun is making a quick lvl 20 build to test out how it would do in The Deep or UW, then people should have the option to choose. Choices make everyone happy.



oh yeah, except most people who play GW...

I'm not sure I understand the argument here.

If you truly have done everything in the game and have unlocked all the skills through PVP then there is nothing that you cannot create in 24 hours game play.

If you have a Canthan character it doesn't take more than 6-7 hours to get you character to level 20 and to Kaineng Center. From Kaineng you can buy every skill in the game except for a few you have to get in Tyria. But since you are in Kaineng you can hop on a ship, go straight over to Lion’s Arch, and get the other skills.

Anything you need in Tyria, you can get someone to run you to get.

If you have a Tyrian character, you can easily skip Presearing, and either run or get someone else to run you to Lion's Arch and then over to Cantha, pick up a full group of Henchies, and go out and level your character to 20 in around 5 hours or less.

The only thing you don't have immediate access to within a couple hours are Elite skills. But with those you can usually get someone to run you to just about anywhere in Tyria to pick up the elite. There are a few elite's that you can only get to in Cantha, but most aren't very important, and the one's that are, aren't very hard to get to.

I don't know of any other MMO that's worth it's money where it is so easy to max level a character, purchase the highest stats armor, and max out your skills in. If you have done so much in the game with other characters you should easily be able to use their funds to deck out your new character with anything they want.

So I really don't understand what the problem is. It doesn't even take skill to do these things. All it takes is a fair knowledge of the game, how it works, and about 75-100K from another player, which if what you say is true, should be the case for you.



If for some reason you can't do this, or this is too difficult for you, or seems to be a waste of time, then the only thing limiting you is yourself.

And I would suggest you purchase Dungeon's and Dragon's Online or City of Heroes and play those until Nightfall comes out.

I've also heard kayaking is fun. No I'm being serious. If this game is boring you to tears go the hell outside and get some fresh air. You don't need to play this game 24/7, regardless of what others may think.

I know people on here seem to be quick to excuse everything Anet does by claiming that you don't have to pay a monthly fee, but in this case it really does apply. You aren't paying for something that is supposed to be amusing you on a consistent basis day in and day out. You pay one time for a prepackaged game that has predefined areas and content, and that is it. Nothing else is really added until you buy another chapter. Thus you have received exactly what you paid for. If you don't like the end result then don't buy any more chapters, and go play an online game with a monthly fee. You then have some grounds to complain about them not providing you with a constant source of entertainment, but even then I think you are going to be in for a huge disappointment, as you will probably feel even more restricted than you feel now.

Livingston

If this was to happen i can see one thing happening, alot more people who don't know how to use there class properly running around.

Thats why i prefer GWP to GWF is the fact the you hit lvl 20 to quick and havn't had time to understand your character properly.

I don't want to spend 6-7 hours making a character to test out and play around with for probably only 10 minutes. I simply want to roll a PVP standard character AFTER I'VE BEATEN THE GAME with skills I'VE UNLOCKED! I don't see how anyone could object, it in no way forces you to do that either. If you want to make multiple pve characters that have unlocked multiple skills, great, good for you, but can someone tell me how this in any way makes it inconvenient for you if they implemented this?

Also that Kayaking bit... wtf? Are you high or something? I play Guild Wars as a past time when I've got nothing better to do, summer is about to end. Why does everyone want everything to be so inconvenient and want to work for something in a GAME after they've already earned it?

The solution:
Make a new PvP character, pack it with the skill you want and UNLOCK befoe, make the build, and than go to the battle isle and play around with the dummy. Or you can even go and fight other humans if you like.

Solution II:
Take you regular PvE character, get him/her the skill you want, and try to adjust it so it will work with your combo. (Necro is not the only MM, nor Warrior the only tanker possiblity), go to the area you like, and start trying to see what work and what not work.

Solution III:
Suggest a new area where you can use a PvP character in a PvE enviroment, with well thought out on the issue of blance, preventive abuese, and cost-benefit analysis. Get it sign by alot of people to so be added into the game.

Solution IV:
Join the UAX movement (but I think that dies down afterwhile)

Solution V:
Try playing a new character.... IN A NEW GAME!
Also I heard the sun is nice this time of the season.

If you just want to test out a character for 10 mins then just make a pvp character and test it out. Do you really need a PvE area to test out a character?

"I play Guild Wars as a past time when I've got nothing better to do"

Well if you don't have anything better to do then to play a game that is boring you to tears, then you must be living a very boring life. If the sunshine scares you pick up some DVDs or something...

Livingston

You know, I like this one, and I think it may actually be fairly simple to do:

We already have the concept of a 'proving ground' in the Battle Isles - the various Zaishen Challenges. You could well have something like the Challenges where, instead of fighting NPCs doing their best to act like players, you get some sample mobs to fight. There's absolutely no reward for doing so - no gold, no drops, no faction - but it would provide an arena for experimentation.

THIS way I would even like the idea

Play 4 FUN is always good

Maybe a 15 - 30minutes mission whith some mobs and an end boss but WHITHOUT ANY KIND OF REWARD!!! Otherwise it would be just another "bot farming spot".

Later.

Sounds actually kinda nice. Though there could be a small reward of Balthazar faction. No one would want to make a bot to farm an area just to be able to unlock skills/mods/etc.

The way I see it could be accessible trough the Island of the Nameless...

You go there, talk to the NPC, and he teleports you to the mission....BUT I will repeat myself NO REWARDS!!!! If the only purpose of this is fun only then rewards are not necessary at all.

An alternative way would be a mission "Zeishen - like" so you can team up with a party before you go IN instead of the bots you get from the Island. But still, let me say one more time, NO REWARDS!!!!

Maybe I am being too emphatic with the “no rewards” thing, maybe some faction could come after completing it who knows… maybe the same sort of reward you get from Zeishen missions 

Latter.