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Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

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22 Aug 2006 at 01:45 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpeedyKQ

Some of those are more important than others, but in general, if a player has the means and the knowledge to improve their character and they just don't bother, then yes, I think it is selfish. I take pride in making my PVE characters maximally effective and would like others do to the same. In practice, it is a game, and if you like pugging you have to accept that a lot of people will be doing less than optimal things.

I take issue with the idea that one type of play, whether PVE or PVP, is more deserving of good play than the other. Whichever one you are doing, if you are bothering to do it, you should bring your A game.

But the point is, most of those are wholly unnecessary. And if THOSE are unnecessary, you can be sure that customization is unnecessary. Following that logic, customization should never be expected of someone, as it only minimally helps and financially hurts.

This has nothing to do with whether one type of gameplay is "more deserving" than another. High level PvP play consists of longer, drawn-out battles, where every ounce of pressure can help tip the balance in your favor. PvE consists of almost exclusively small scale conflicts (individual mobs) with rest time (however small) in between. The extra damage from customization does not have time to build up to be a game-breaking amount; at the most, you'll shave just a couple of seconds off of the time it takes to kill an extremely high level foe, and low-armored foes will be killed in pretty much the same number of swings of your weapon. It's pressure builds vs. the "nuke the mob" mentality.

On a side notes, some of the more enjoyable PvE missions for me are the ones that offer near-nonstop fighting for more than just a few mobs. Vizunah Square comes to mind, and the ending of Thunderhead Keep.

SpeedyKQ

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

E/Me

22 Aug 2006 at 02:22 - 42

You may be right - customizing your weapon may be MORE important for PVP than PVE. But I continue to insist that it is worth doing in PVE.

Getting a max crafter weapon and customizing it isn't that hard or expensive, and anybody who takes the game at least moderately seriously should do it.

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

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22 Aug 2006 at 03:13 - 43

Oh yes, I've said that customizing collector's weps is always okay, because no one will buy them off of you once you have them (sad really, try selling collectors weps in early cities, you can't even get 500g for them...).

Y.T.

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

Mo/

22 Aug 2006 at 04:22 - 44

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

So for pve would it be selfish if: -
*The warrior does not use a rune of superior absorbsion?
*Every player does not have a rune of superior vigor?
*The warrior was using ascalon or gladiators armor?
*The weapon / staff is not perfect?
*The weapon / staff is not perfectly modded?
*The warrior does not have a perfect shield?
*The player does not have a large number of items to cover each situation e.g. helms with minor runes for dp. Or shields for stance / hex / enchant / always?

actually alot of pve players who play on regular basis for quite a long time owns all items mentioned above. prolly few more, like shields with +AR vs certain type of damage or certain class of mobs (f/ex +hp +10AR vs skeletons shield for fow or +hp +10AR vs fire for fire island mis et cetera), bows/axes/swords/staves with +damage vs certain mob mods (pruning, deathbane, u name it - pve players got them)... pvp-only char cant switch armors mid-mission, u have to reroll them, pve chars can.... after all sup absorbtion is durty cheap and trols/ogres drop HUGE amount of sup vigor runes, and i'm not going to discuss chest runs now

worst-case scenario - 7/8 ppl in ur pug will have green items instead of perfect golds, but all greens r perfect (and majority of greens r cheap now), so its ok again...

pappayaponta

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Europian Comando force

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22 Aug 2006 at 06:11 - 45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avarre

I'd rather go with the 15^50, customized

Economically, 14^50 customized is pretty much best, as +14% and +15% hit practically the same.

Explain that for those im tryin to sell my req 8 14^50 oni blade

Uther Charrsbane

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2006

KoRn

W/R

22 Aug 2006 at 08:19 - 46

i have calculated the damage 15%givves and the dmg 20% gives and that dmg combined

.(using 22 as max dmg)
15^50: 25 dmg
20%:26 dmg
35%:30 dmg

the difference is only 4 dmg. with hammers however the dmg is more. (call me nerd if u want lol).

Thallandor

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Singapore

Seers of Serpents [SoS]

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22 Aug 2006 at 08:34 - 47

Hmm maybe its just personal taste but i find crystallines swords..errr...Ugly?

*raises hands wildly in the air and runs away*

Dr Strangelove

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Join Date: Dec 2005

Wasting away again in Margaritaville

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22 Aug 2006 at 09:23 - 48

If you have access to ideal gear, there is no valid reason not to use it. People who refuse to maximize their available equipment for vanity's sake have absolutely no place on any team of mine. People who justify it by saying PvE is so easy that they can use ineffective weapons are selfish, elitist pricks.

The issue is not with the precise amount of damage done, the issue is that the person behind the uncustomized weapon cares little about being as effective as possible. If they don't care about the weapon, perhaps they've only chosen skills that look cool? Perhaps their armor is not maxed to save money? Perhaps I'll be subjected to elitist crap with non-stop pinging of what you're wielding? Whatever the case, it's selfish and unneeded.

At any rate, I'm much more impressed with a player's skill than the trinkets they wave around. Go ahead and get your crystalline, I hope you enjoy it, but in combat, bring out a customized collector's weapon. I'll be a lot more impressed when you kill things more effectively than if you swing an ugly shimmery see-through snot blade.

Knightsaber Sith

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Join Date: Aug 2006

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22 Aug 2006 at 10:47 - 49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

If you have access to ideal gear, there is no valid reason not to use it. People who refuse to maximize their available equipment for vanity's sake have absolutely no place on any team of mine. People who justify it by saying PvE is so easy that they can use ineffective weapons are selfish, elitist pricks.

The issue is not with the precise amount of damage done, the issue is that the person behind the uncustomized weapon cares little about being as effective as possible. If they don't care about the weapon, perhaps they've only chosen skills that look cool? Perhaps their armor is not maxed to save money? Perhaps I'll be subjected to elitist crap with non-stop pinging of what you're wielding? Whatever the case, it's selfish and unneeded.

At any rate, I'm much more impressed with a player's skill than the trinkets they wave around. Go ahead and get your crystalline, I hope you enjoy it, but in combat, bring out a customized collector's weapon. I'll be a lot more impressed when you kill things more effectively than if you swing an ugly shimmery see-through snot blade.

If someone was elitist they'd definitely have 15k armor; couldn't possibly be elitist in that walking pincone armor from Kaineng.

The Herbalizer

<3 Ecto

Join Date: Jul 2005

22 Aug 2006 at 12:17 - 50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knightsaber Sith

If someone was elitist they'd definitely have 15k armor; couldn't possibly be elitist in that walking pincone armor from Kaineng.

I was just thinking that. Elitest people usually have 15k / FOW armor and demand people tell them their build before playing with them. They would get pissed if people had the wrong armor etc.

The kind of person who could afford a perfect crystalline sword would more than likely have perfect equipment e.g. sup vig, "ideal armor", all skills, perfect shields etc.

I truely doubt everyone could afford a sup vigor rune for as they are 30k ish now I think and with 5 characters assuming one is for pvp and they own factions thats 150k. Unless they farm there would be no way of affording them as they would have to buy armor / skills / items etc aswell. They would first need 15k armor as I could not see many people putting sup vig runes on 1.5k armor unless they really like the look of it.

My point being before bashing the people who dont customize their nice / rare items consider that other people who dont have expensive stuff could also be "letting down the team". If they can afford nice items they would most probably have the best shields / armor / skills etc for the job required. Take my example of everyone having a superior vigor rune, I doubt everyone playing casually can afford one for each character so therefore they too like the people not customizing their weapons are putting the team at a disadvantage.

In pve if someone wants to use an uncustomized weapon im fine with it. However, in pvp I think it is crucial to have the best equipment possible as there is no excuse when you can do Random Arena to unlock skills / runes / upgrades through faction.

Dev121

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

22 Aug 2006 at 12:26 - 51

Custimized 15^50 req9 ,,,, looks l33t =P

leprekan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

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22 Aug 2006 at 12:58 - 52

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Loki-

The only time you're going to see a difference between a 14>50 hit and a 15>50 hit is if they are naked-frenzy-healsiging with weaken armour cast on them.

Like you don't run into that all the time!

P.S. If you are going to use it in a group it should be customized. If you won't customize it then get a collector. I used to run into so many tightwads in pvp that wouldn't customize.

SpeedyKQ

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

E/Me

22 Aug 2006 at 13:35 - 53

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

My point being before bashing the people who dont customize their nice / rare items consider that other people who dont have expensive stuff could also be "letting down the team". If they can afford nice items they would most probably have the best shields / armor / skills etc for the job required. Take my example of everyone having a superior vigor rune, I doubt everyone playing casually can afford one for each character so therefore they too like the people not customizing their weapons are putting the team at a disadvantage.

To me there is a big difference between not being able to afford 30K for a superior rune, and being able to easily afford 5K for a max customized weapon and just not bothering.

noblepaladin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

22 Aug 2006 at 20:21 - 54

Many people do not want to customize their weapon because they want to be able to trade it in the future if during a new expansion, a cooler looking skin comes out. But what I don't understand is that it is much more effective to use a customized storm bow with no mods (just +20% damage unconditional) rather than a perfect uncustomized storm bow (with +15%^50). The character looks exactly the same. So if looks matter to you, keep that expensive perfect item in the stash and use a customized non-perfect item that looks exactly the same.

I guess it is just a psychological thing, fighting with that perfect weapon.

Ineffiable

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

23 Aug 2006 at 01:05 - 55

I know some people that actually buy greens like Victos Axe/Swords, customize them and use them for PVP, and then use their GPB for pve.

In the end, maybe a few years from now, Guildwars may not exist, and whos going to care about your perfect req 8 15^50 crystalline now?

Really, it is JUST a game.

Saider maul

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Baltimore, Maryland

23 Aug 2006 at 01:13 - 56

lol i know they go for some rediculous prices. I may be well off enough but i doubt I'll ever own one.

Even if I did it would be a +5energy ( if possible ) for my necro or monk or if not nerfed to bad the dervish.

Knightsaber Sith

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2006

Few Fallen Heroes [FFH]

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23 Aug 2006 at 09:14 - 57

In another thread, someone pointed out there was an auction for this:

with a miniumum bid of this:

(that's right; one trillion ten thousand)

Surprisignly; there have been 74 bids to jack the price up that high. Does anyone even believe this is a real auction?
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/auction/item.php/id=200310

Uther Charrsbane

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2006

KoRn

W/R

23 Aug 2006 at 10:38 - 58

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpeedyKQ

Getting a max crafter weapon and customizing it isn't that hard or expensive, and anybody who takes the game at least moderately seriously should do it.

you are right but skin is very important in pve

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i still stand with the best is customised max great skin, other wise id go for 15^50 or 14^50 customised.

Uther Charrsbane

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2006

KoRn

W/R

23 Aug 2006 at 10:47 - 59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knightsaber Sith

In another thread, someone pointed out there was an auction for this:

with a miniumum bid of this:

(that's right; one trillion ten thousand)

Surprisignly; there have been 74 bids to jack the price up that high. Does anyone even believe this is a real auction?
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/auction/item.php/id=200310

impossible bid most a trade can take is umm 250x7000x7+100=12,250,100
12mill

(call me a nerd again lol)

Knightsaber Sith

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2006

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23 Aug 2006 at 12:17 - 60

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uther Charrsbane

impossible bid most a trade can take is umm 250x7000x7+100=12,250,100
12mill

(call me a nerd again lol)

That's the point

I think either some jerks kinda screwed up that guys auction with fake bids or the whole thing is a joke. What I'm confused about is that for such a high profile item; there should obviously have been a buyout. But there wasn't; and the only reason there wouldn't have been a b/o was if he was a noob and didn't understand how to auction. If he was a noob; I highly doubt he could get his hands on that kind of equipment.

Necro_Mike

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada

EoG

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23 Aug 2006 at 12:24 - 61

14^50 is the way to go. There is almost no difference.

shadowfell

hamonite anur ruk

Join Date: Jan 2006

Echovald Forest

[PhD] Teh Academy

Me/A

23 Aug 2006 at 12:55 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Zardeone

Crystallines are usually just for show though so that's why some don't customise them. These show-offs usually do a few swings in combat but thenthey swap to something better.
Still, nothing beats showing off your customised req7 15^50 crystalline

Nay good sir.. these show offs spend all their time standing in LA dis 1, in their forge-ran fow, talking about their crystalline swords =d

On note though. I have quite a few very expensive weapons, across my characters, and I used to have a policy that if something had a value of more than 350k, I wouldn't customize it. This was for just in case I ever hit 'hard times'. Well, that never really happened, and I no longer really needed all the money I had anyhow... So I bit the bullet and customized everything I actually used. So far, I can't recall having regretted any of them...

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

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23 Aug 2006 at 22:24 - 63

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

So for pve would it be selfish if: -
*The warrior does not use a rune of superior absorbsion?
*Every player does not have a rune of superior vigor?
*The warrior was using ascalon or gladiators armor?
*The weapon / staff is not perfect?
*The weapon / staff is not perfectly modded?
*The warrior does not have a perfect shield?
*The player does not have a large number of items to cover each situation e.g. helms with minor runes for dp. Or shields for stance / hex / enchant / always?

If customizing a weapon is sooo important in pve then the above should be also important.

If the player currently owns those items and chooses not to use them, then the answer is YES.

However, your analogy is flawed above because most of the people you describe above do not OWN the items you've indicated. In other words, if you have a shield that provides +25 health and one that provides +30 health, then what would be the point of using the +25 health shield?

That's the problem - you OWN a weapon that you know would be better if you simply customized it - 10 gold at the trader. Instead, you (1) decide not to customize it and (2) decide to use it over another weapon that would provide you more damage.

So yes, in a word, you would be selfish in PvE for doing so.

Alleji

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

23 Aug 2006 at 23:56 - 64

As far as I'm concerned, people who don't customize weapons are idiots.

If you're planning to sell your precious sword/axe/bow (hammers don't count, since they're worth nothing anyway) then don't use it and use a customized cheap-o green.

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

24 Aug 2006 at 00:01 - 65

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alleji

As far as I'm concerned, people who don't customize weapons are idiots.

If you're planning to sell your precious sword/axe/bow (hammers don't count, since they're worth nothing anyway) then don't use it and use a customized cheap-o green.

The exception would be Caster weapons. For example, I don't customize my Ritualist's Spiritgarden's Repose, since I rarely attatck with it.

TaiClaw

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2006

AUS

A/R

24 Aug 2006 at 00:16 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

My point being before bashing the people who dont customize their nice / rare items consider that other people who dont have expensive stuff could also be "letting down the team". If they can afford nice items they would most probably have the best shields / armor / skills etc for the job required. Take my example of everyone having a superior vigor rune, I doubt everyone playing casually can afford one for each character so therefore they too like the people not customizing their weapons are putting the team at a disadvantage.

Expensive does not always mean better however, a perfect 15^50 req 8 item can go for 100k+, where as a 14^50 req 9 item will never sell. When there is basically no difference between the item, people just THINK , zomg 15^50 is so much better than 14^50.

The truely smart people in this game,

A) Don't care about money, if maximizing there damage output for the good of the team, or for personal glory means customizing a weapon, they will do it.

B) See 0 Difference between Perfect and Near Perfect items.

C) Don't follow cookie cutter builds.

D) Don't stand around in Kaineng City, or LA trading and selling items to accumulate wealth.

No offense, most of the smart people in this game come from other MMoRPG's.

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

24 Aug 2006 at 00:19 - 67

Peoples like rare skin items with perfect to near perfect mods and with low requirement. The prices on these rare skins can go 100k or more. Look at Gothic Dual Axe, or Gothic Defender... those are hard to get and not to mention getting them in perfect req and mods.

The Herbalizer

<3 Ecto

Join Date: Jul 2005

24 Aug 2006 at 00:45 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by TaiClaw

Expensive does not always mean better however, a perfect 15^50 req 8 item can go for 100k+, where as a 14^50 req 9 item will never sell. When there is basically no difference between the item, people just THINK , zomg 15^50 is so much better than 14^50.

The truely smart people in this game,

A) Don't care about money, if maximizing there damage output for the good of the team, or for personal glory means customizing a weapon, they will do it.

B) See 0 Difference between Perfect and Near Perfect items.

C) Don't follow cookie cutter builds.

D) Don't stand around in Kaineng City, or LA trading and selling items to accumulate wealth.

No offense, most of the smart people in this game come from other MMoRPG's.

A Req 8 weapon in certain situations can be more flexible than say a Req 10 one. Low Req items which usually cost more than the high req equivalents can be therefore seen to be more flexible. A weapon which is more flexible in certain situations can therefore be considered better than a weapon which is not as flexible.

There IS a difference between 14>50 and 15>50 weapons just as there IS a difference between 9% and 10% recharge on staffs. Although the numbers may be small there IS a difference. The difference may not be important to some but it is to others.

I fail to see how people who use cookie cutter builds is relevant to a debate on the customization of weapons. Maybe you mean people who use expensive weapons also use cookie cutter builds...

Some of the most intelligent people I have met trade or used to. Alot of the people have been able to accumulate many many millions if not tens of millions of gold which involves some form of intelligence. To say that people can only be considered intelligent or clever if they play to a certain style of play is wrong. Trading is a aspect of Guild Wars whether you like it or not. Some people enjoy trading and it is not something easy otherwise everyone would be amazingly rich. I may not enjoy or like pve but it does not mean everyone doing it is not intelligent. Just like I dont enjoy sitting in towns and talking i.e. Grotto does not mean they are not clever.

Why would most of the smart people come from other mmorpg's???

Stockholm

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Censored

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24 Aug 2006 at 00:55 - 69

Smart people don't play GW, they are busy making millions in Real Life, the rest of us are wannabes that think we are "Uber" for making useless millions in a game.

TaiClaw

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2006

AUS

A/R

24 Aug 2006 at 00:55 - 70

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

There IS a difference between 14>50 and 15>50 weapons just as there IS a difference between 9% and 10% recharge on staffs. Although the numbers may be small there IS a difference. The difference may not be important to some but it is to others.

Yes, the difference tho is incredibly small when comparing 14^50 to 15^50. So small infact that its impossible to justify the price difference.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

Why would most of the smart people come from other mmorpg's???

Because GW is a vanity game, those who come from other games where actual playstyle, wits and maths are greater than looking good, have a better understanding of the mechanics in GW.

Uther Charrsbane

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2006

KoRn

W/R

24 Aug 2006 at 09:07 - 71

Quote:

Originally Posted by TaiClaw

Expensive does not always mean better however, a perfect 15^50 req 8 item can go for 100k+, where as a 14^50 req 9 item will never sell. When there is basically no difference between the item, people just THINK , zomg 15^50 is so much better than 14^50.

The truely smart people in this game,

A) Don't care about money, if maximizing there damage output for the good of the team, or for personal glory means customizing a weapon, they will do it.

B) See 0 Difference between Perfect and Near Perfect items.

C) Don't follow cookie cutter builds.

D) Don't stand around in Kaineng City, or LA trading and selling items to accumulate wealth.

No offense, most of the smart people in this game come from other MMoRPG's.

You have just insulted me. i feel sad

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and i actually enjoy trading and haggling,and i agree that making millions is a major part of gw

JR

Re:tired

Join Date: Nov 2005

W/

24 Aug 2006 at 09:44 - 72

Quote:

Originally Posted by TaiClaw

A) Don't care about money, if maximizing there damage output for the good of the team, or for personal glory means customizing a weapon, they will do it.

Agreed on this one. If you are going to make a fuss about buying max damage 15^50 equipment for use on one of your characters, then you are being pretty ridiculous to then not customise it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TaiClaw

B) See 0 Difference between Perfect and Near Perfect items.

Disagreed. Every little helps, and has the potential to make a difference.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TaiClaw

C) Don't follow cookie cutter builds.

Cookie cutter can often mean tried and tested, high chance of success.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TaiClaw

D) Don't stand around in Kaineng City, or LA trading and selling items to accumulate wealth.

Power trading is a very strong way to make large amounts of money, with the amount you make going up exponentially as you can afford to invest more. You just need to be right on top of market values, and have a decent reserve of gold to start with.

TaiClaw

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2006

AUS

A/R

24 Aug 2006 at 10:39 - 73

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uther Charrsbane

You have just insulted me. i feel sad

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and i actually enjoy trading and haggling,and i agree that making millions is a major part of gw

Haggling?

Person1: Hey, how much?
Person2: Offer?
Person1: nvm then

or..

Person1: Hey how much?
Peson2:Offer
Person1:20k?
Person2: ZomG N00b Ther worTh lik 1ooK + , Noob! I said N0 N-00b offEr!!

It's a real civilised market.

TaiClaw

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2006

AUS

A/R

24 Aug 2006 at 10:48 - 74

Quote:

Originally Posted by JR-

Disagreed. Every little helps, and has the potential to make a difference.
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Sounds good in theory, but put into practice, and you will still hit the same mob for the same amount of damage, yet everyone now and then you will hit for 11 instead of 10.

Though I never questioned the damage difference, just the price difference between 14^50 and 15^50, when there practically exactly the same.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JR-

Cookie cutter can often mean tried and tested, high chance of success..

Agreed, although I respect somone more who thinks outside the square and creates/tests there "own" builds. Rather than copy somone elses.

The Herbalizer

<3 Ecto

Join Date: Jul 2005

24 Aug 2006 at 10:58 - 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by TaiClaw

Haggling?

Person1: Hey, how much?
Person2: Offer?
Person1: nvm then

or..

Person1: Hey how much?
Peson2:Offer
Person1:20k?
Person2: ZomG N00b Ther worTh lik 1ooK + , Noob! I said N0 N-00b offEr!!

It's a real civilised market.

Wow just goes to show how ignorant people can be. I mean if its so easy I bet everyone could accumulate wealth upwards of 10 million gold with a relatively small amount of time spent in Guild Wars. There are actually skills required for trading believe it or not. Anyway the people shouting noob and other crap are awful traders.

Mithie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Rest En Pieces [RIP]

Me/W

24 Aug 2006 at 12:28 - 76

There is no difference practically between a 14%>50% weapon and a 15%>50% weapon in PvE. Your targets usually have high enough armor that you're not going to feel a lick of difference.

Just like the +9 hp a sup. vigor gives over major vigor isn't worth the extra 28k.

Asplode

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Chicago, IL

Rebel Rising [rawr]

24 Aug 2006 at 12:34 - 77

If you have 20 million gold burning a hole in your pocket, I suggest a 15% FFS, HoD Axe, and a whole set of 30/+10 vs X shields, because those have actual pvp value. A 15>50 req9 Crystalline sword is just a skin. That's just my two cents.

Mournblade

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

Houston, Texas

Dawn Treaders [DAWN]

W/Mo

24 Aug 2006 at 13:39 - 78

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mithie

There is no difference practically between a 14%>50% weapon and a 15%>50% weapon in PvE. Your targets usually have high enough armor that you're not going to feel a lick of difference.

Just like the +9 hp a sup. vigor gives over major vigor isn't worth the extra 28k.

You can't argue with math. 15% is better than 14%. 50hp is better than 41hp. Just because you cant perceive it doesn't mean it isn't so. I've walked away from fights with 1hp often enough (more often than I would have expected) to be VERY thankful that I have a superior vigor.

I'm certainly not the best player around, but if i'm in your group you can rest assured i'm doing everything in my power to maximize my performance to our mutual benefit.

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

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24 Aug 2006 at 14:07 - 79

The only difference (from what I can tell) on the 14% versus 15% argument are those situations where the GW rounding convention comes into play.

For example, if you're hitting someone for a base damage of 20, if you have a 15% weapon you'll do 23 damage, but if you have a 14% weapon you'll do 22.8 damage, which will be rounded down to 22 damage.

The maximum damage difference you'll ever encounter is 1 damage, as there isn't a weapon attack (that I'm aware of) that does more than 100 damage, unless you're destroying some extremely low level foes.

Uther Charrsbane

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2006

KoRn

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25 Aug 2006 at 22:30 - 80

Double post YAY
MY FIRST WOOHOO