Is it that you can be rezzed but allies cannot. Monsters can also res other monsters.
No it is not because you are ascended because my canthan account isn't merged with my tyrian and my chars have never ascended. Weh No Su is not ascending as they give different powers. Also, monsters aren't ascended and some of them have ressing powers that will work on other monsters.
Why on eath
Mrscoombes
Kaguya
What?
You can rez your partymembers. Monsters that have resurrect spells can resurrect other monsters.
Only things that you can't resurrect is NPCs and "allied players" in AvA and Vizunah Square.
Being able to resurrect has nothing to do with being ascended.
You can rez your partymembers. Monsters that have resurrect spells can resurrect other monsters.
Only things that you can't resurrect is NPCs and "allied players" in AvA and Vizunah Square.
Being able to resurrect has nothing to do with being ascended.
Mrscoombes
1. What? The question is why arent npc's ressable
2. Yes you can res party members. Well done.
3. There are many more cases where allies cant be ressed, such as the entire game.
4. That's exactly what I said.
2. Yes you can res party members. Well done.
3. There are many more cases where allies cant be ressed, such as the entire game.
4. That's exactly what I said.
Kaguya
Only allies that appear in "entire game" are NPCs, and those NPCs usually have more or less to do with storyline. NPCs have an sticky hex on them that makes them die permanently. Why else would we mourn over death of our dwarf friend at Ring of Fire, when we could just rez him? Why we mourn over the death of Rurik, when we could just rez him? Why we mourn over Togo's death when we could just rez him? Keeping the key NPC alive is one of the mission objectives. If you could just rez them, then why even bother adding that NPC into the mission? Why bother doing Althea's Ashes-quest at all when you could just resurrect the ghost you find.
Why does anyone have to die in the world of GW, when you could just rez everyone. Cantha should be ruled by it's first emperor, since whenever he died (even of old age) he could have been rezzed. The whole factions hulabaloo wouldn't have happened if they just had rezzed the emperor. Geez.
Why does anyone have to die in the world of GW, when you could just rez everyone. Cantha should be ruled by it's first emperor, since whenever he died (even of old age) he could have been rezzed. The whole factions hulabaloo wouldn't have happened if they just had rezzed the emperor. Geez.
Mrscoombes
Exactly my point. The world would be a better place if we could res npc's who died in battle.
EDIT: Except for rurik, no one wants to rez rurik.
EDIT: Except for rurik, no one wants to rez rurik.
Yanman.be
What? Togo died? I should pay more attention during the screenshots.
Caelus The Fallen
1. The question made no mention of NPCs
2. Obviously
3. That would be because Rez spells in general read "target party member", which NPCs are not
4. Why even mention being ascended? Frankly, I can understand anyones problem with understanding "exactly what [you] said".
2. Obviously
3. That would be because Rez spells in general read "target party member", which NPCs are not
4. Why even mention being ascended? Frankly, I can understand anyones problem with understanding "exactly what [you] said".
Blackhawk
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What? Togo died? I should pay more attention during the screenshots.
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Knightsaber Sith
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What? Togo died? I should pay more attention during the screenshots.
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And to the op: I don't think there is anything that can res itself
arcanemacabre
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No it is not because you are ascended because my canthan account isn't merged with my tyrian and my chars have never ascended. Weh No Su is not ascending as they give different powers. Also, monsters aren't ascended and some of them have ressing powers that will work on other monsters.
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But seriously, why would you even relate ascention with resurrecting? Unless that's maybe your religion? If so, I respect that. In real life, you can resurrect after ascention. But only into a different form. Perhaps related to the balance of good and evil things you have done in your life...
oh sorry, got on a tangent, there...
Mrscoombes
I related to it because it was a popular beleif in a thread I saw a long time ago
Monsters can res other monsters. The giant squid in boreas uses ressurect, the irukandji or whatever use the ressing spirit in the deep, priests of sorrow use ressurect.
To stop everyone being idiots:
Why can we not rez npc's when they die?
Does that make it easier for you to understand?
Monsters can res other monsters. The giant squid in boreas uses ressurect, the irukandji or whatever use the ressing spirit in the deep, priests of sorrow use ressurect.
To stop everyone being idiots:
Why can we not rez npc's when they die?
Does that make it easier for you to understand?
Mrscoombes
Ascension is something from tyria, weh no su is something from cantha=difference 1
Ascension focuses the gaze of the gods on you, weh no su simply lets you see spirits, whereas you could see ghosts before ascension if you pay attention to the fact there are ghost merchants in the desert=difference 2
You do not need to fuse crystals together to be weh no su=difference 3
You do not need to kill 4 celestial monster bosses to become ascended=difference 4
Apart from the fact that weh no su and ascension are both things you have to do to get farther in the game, I don't see any similarities
Ascension focuses the gaze of the gods on you, weh no su simply lets you see spirits, whereas you could see ghosts before ascension if you pay attention to the fact there are ghost merchants in the desert=difference 2
You do not need to fuse crystals together to be weh no su=difference 3
You do not need to kill 4 celestial monster bosses to become ascended=difference 4
Apart from the fact that weh no su and ascension are both things you have to do to get farther in the game, I don't see any similarities
Kaguya
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Why can we not rez npc's when they die?
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Why else would we mourn over death of our dwarf friend at Ring of Fire, when we could just rez him? Why we mourn over the death of Rurik, when we could just rez him? Why we mourn over Togo's death when we could just rez him? Keeping the key NPC alive is one of the mission objectives. If you could just rez them, then why even bother adding that NPC into the mission? Why bother doing Althea's Ashes-quest at all when you could just resurrect the ghost you find.
Why does anyone have to die in the world of GW, when you could just rez everyone. Cantha should be ruled by it's first emperor, since whenever he died (even of old age) he could have been rezzed. The whole factions hulabaloo wouldn't have happened if they just had rezzed the emperor. Geez. |
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Ascension is something from tyria, weh no su is something from cantha=difference 1
Ascension focuses the gaze of the gods on you, weh no su simply lets you see spirits, whereas you could see ghosts before ascension if you pay attention to the fact there are ghost merchants in the desert=difference 2 You do not need to fuse crystals together to be weh no su=difference 3 You do not need to kill 4 celestial monster bosses to become ascended=difference 4 Apart from the fact that weh no su and ascension are both things you have to do to get farther in the game, I don't see any similarities |
Knightsaber Sith
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I related to it because it was a popular beleif in a thread I saw a long time ago
Monsters can res other monsters. The giant squid in boreas uses ressurect, the irukandji or whatever use the ressing spirit in the deep, priests of sorrow use ressurect. To stop everyone being idiots: Why can we not rez npc's when they die? Does that make it easier for you to understand? |
Knightsaber Sith
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Ascension is something from tyria, weh no su is something from cantha=difference 1
Ascension focuses the gaze of the gods on you, weh no su simply lets you see spirits, whereas you could see ghosts before ascension if you pay attention to the fact there are ghost merchants in the desert=difference 2 You do not need to fuse crystals together to be weh no su=difference 3 You do not need to kill 4 celestial monster bosses to become ascended=difference 4 Apart from the fact that weh no su and ascension are both things you have to do to get farther in the game, I don't see any similarities |
Xenrath
It's something to do for the quests/missions is the answer: to keep the Ally/Allies alive. Also known as babysitting.
It can be annoying, especially if the ally dies from getting stuck etc. but the alternative is you'd just let them die and continually res them all the way to the end of the quest/mission. In which case they may as well not be there at all...
It can be annoying, especially if the ally dies from getting stuck etc. but the alternative is you'd just let them die and continually res them all the way to the end of the quest/mission. In which case they may as well not be there at all...
KANE OG
What's an "eath" anyway?
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Roshi_ikkyu
Why can't you res NPC's.... Cause your lazy enough to let them die!
You don't deserve that ability!
Ok so which "_______ must survive" Mission aren't you skillful enough to pass, or is it because someone ganked your guildlord in GvG
This thread is stupid, Why can't you res NPC's, to add a level of difficulty to the game and to add a mission element to quests.
Oh and the original post was like reading Dr Suss, Made my head hurt. But I found it entertaining to read a second time.
You don't deserve that ability!
Ok so which "_______ must survive" Mission aren't you skillful enough to pass, or is it because someone ganked your guildlord in GvG
This thread is stupid, Why can't you res NPC's, to add a level of difficulty to the game and to add a mission element to quests.
Oh and the original post was like reading Dr Suss, Made my head hurt. But I found it entertaining to read a second time.
Don Zardeone
NPCs are not superheroes. We are superheroes. Our souls don't leave our body when we die, our bodies are simply repaired.
The NPCs, all of them, including rurik, mhenlo and Il Liche himself, never ascended, never became weh so nub or fought any dragons and lived to tell the tale.
We can be ressed because we posess uber powers. Henchmen can be ressed because they eh leech off of ur powers while we're there.. yeah!
Allies can't be ressed because in those missions we eh, don't know who will be on the other side. SO eh we eh, don't know their anatomy stuff yet so we can't repair their dead bodies!
See? it all makes sense
The NPCs, all of them, including rurik, mhenlo and Il Liche himself, never ascended, never became weh so nub or fought any dragons and lived to tell the tale.
We can be ressed because we posess uber powers. Henchmen can be ressed because they eh leech off of ur powers while we're there.. yeah!
Allies can't be ressed because in those missions we eh, don't know who will be on the other side. SO eh we eh, don't know their anatomy stuff yet so we can't repair their dead bodies!
See? it all makes sense
SirErnieMacGloop
You cannot rez allies that are required to stay alive in order to complete a mission/quest: self explanatory.
You cannot rez allies that are not part of your party, (this i think is the crux of the biscuit): why you can't rez other allies in AB,vizunah square, unwaking waters, and other's, is a pain and I think should be looked at by A-Net.
On ascension, go to ToA prior to being ascended in Tyria and prior to becoming We No Su (sp?), you will see that you cannot enter the realms of the gods, you get a message saying you must be ascended. After completing either you will now be able to access FoW or UW. This litmus test shows that beyond storyline the two are actually the same thing.
You cannot rez allies that are not part of your party, (this i think is the crux of the biscuit): why you can't rez other allies in AB,vizunah square, unwaking waters, and other's, is a pain and I think should be looked at by A-Net.
On ascension, go to ToA prior to being ascended in Tyria and prior to becoming We No Su (sp?), you will see that you cannot enter the realms of the gods, you get a message saying you must be ascended. After completing either you will now be able to access FoW or UW. This litmus test shows that beyond storyline the two are actually the same thing.
led-zep
epecially stupid when you can heal the npc/allies but you cant res them.
seems daft to me
seems daft to me
Mrscoombes
Let me clear up the ascension thing.
Earlier i saw quite a few people saying about the only reason you can be rezzed is because you're ascended. This fuelled the question on why you can be ressed and allies can not. I was expecting 100 replies saying 'You are ascended/chosen so you can be ressed'
So I disproved it in the original post by stating 'Monsters can res other monsters' I had hoped you all worked out that monsters are NOT ascended, but it seems i was wrong and you had a hard time understanding it.
So monsters can res other monsters. Monster are not ascended. If unnascended monsters can res their pals, why can't we res our unnascended pals? If you can't understand me i'm giving up.
Earlier i saw quite a few people saying about the only reason you can be rezzed is because you're ascended. This fuelled the question on why you can be ressed and allies can not. I was expecting 100 replies saying 'You are ascended/chosen so you can be ressed'
So I disproved it in the original post by stating 'Monsters can res other monsters' I had hoped you all worked out that monsters are NOT ascended, but it seems i was wrong and you had a hard time understanding it.
So monsters can res other monsters. Monster are not ascended. If unnascended monsters can res their pals, why can't we res our unnascended pals? If you can't understand me i'm giving up.
Mithie
You can res allied NPCs by using an orb of ressurection. The reason NPCs cannot be ressed by simple ressurection spells is because you do not have the spiritual link with them like you do with your party members, and they lack the spark of prophecy in Tyria and are not hardened against corruption as you are in Cantha.
Res orbs, however, are basically urns imbued with the power of ancients/celestials which can call upon a divine intervention. Monsters can res other monsters because they're all buddies in the same party.
Res orbs, however, are basically urns imbued with the power of ancients/celestials which can call upon a divine intervention. Monsters can res other monsters because they're all buddies in the same party.
Roshi_ikkyu
Mrscoombes,
I think alot of people had/ are having, problems reading your original post.
I would state a number of reasons, but I'm not normally that type of forum poster.
But again, What NPC or allies ressing in-ability has rattled you?
Is it NPC's in missions or Quests?
Thats self evident, its a mission requirement. Or otherwise it would be just plain exploitable.
Is it the 'Cooperative Missions' (Vizunah Square/Unwaking Waters), where allied players; not grouped to you are unres-able?
Might be a decent suggestion, but if your group can't find one class with res abilities. Then you don't deserve to be ressed! Monk secondary one skill slot.
Is it PvP or GvG or AB?
AB, I don't know anyone who seriously takes res. And why would you trying/ need to res NPC's in AB. It seems stupid, would make it harder to capture, but I don't think it would improve AB's.
Ressing in GvG and PvP would just softening the game. If you let your NPC die, you just don't deserve to win.
Rehashing the Ascended/ closer to the stars mentality is only deverting your thread from what I think was your original problem, Ressing NPCs? Or allied players.
Can we refocus on that please, perhaps you have a logical suggestion.
I think alot of people had/ are having, problems reading your original post.
I would state a number of reasons, but I'm not normally that type of forum poster.
But again, What NPC or allies ressing in-ability has rattled you?
Is it NPC's in missions or Quests?
Thats self evident, its a mission requirement. Or otherwise it would be just plain exploitable.
Is it the 'Cooperative Missions' (Vizunah Square/Unwaking Waters), where allied players; not grouped to you are unres-able?
Might be a decent suggestion, but if your group can't find one class with res abilities. Then you don't deserve to be ressed! Monk secondary one skill slot.
Is it PvP or GvG or AB?
AB, I don't know anyone who seriously takes res. And why would you trying/ need to res NPC's in AB. It seems stupid, would make it harder to capture, but I don't think it would improve AB's.
Ressing in GvG and PvP would just softening the game. If you let your NPC die, you just don't deserve to win.
Rehashing the Ascended/ closer to the stars mentality is only deverting your thread from what I think was your original problem, Ressing NPCs? Or allied players.
Can we refocus on that please, perhaps you have a logical suggestion.
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Meikleham of Tyr
It's like the OP is only reading their own posts, and then replying to them.
lyra_song
Lore is used to give story to in game mechanics.
NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
You cant use Lore as a reason to complain about gameplay mechanics.
Lets use one of my favorite examples of Lore VS Gameplay.
Argo
When you fight him in the convocation, hes a lvl 24, has an aura, and has a unique monster skill. But when you are at Cavalon, and he's your hench, he becomes a lvl 20.
Now why is that?
Simple gameplay rules, Boss characters must always be stronger than the player. Henchmen must be equal or lesser than the player.
Now lorewise, this is a very easy thing to explain (for me anyway), Argo in Boreas was not closer to the stars. Only after this did the Luxons learn of the plot of Shiro and a few Luxons decide to help you (your henchies), so they had to become Closer To The Stars like you to be able to fight Shiro. Those Closer to The Stars are all limited in strength (lvl 20 max cap and 200 attributes) but have exponential growth in intelligence (Skill points).
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So whats my point?
The reason we cant res "allies" and "npcs" is because thats not how the game mechanic of rezing works. It only works on fellow party members because thats how it fits into the gameplay. Resing NPCs would make some missions TOO EASY.
The reason is NOT "oh cause we're ascended", "oh we are chosen". Thats gibberish.
NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
You cant use Lore as a reason to complain about gameplay mechanics.
Lets use one of my favorite examples of Lore VS Gameplay.
Argo
When you fight him in the convocation, hes a lvl 24, has an aura, and has a unique monster skill. But when you are at Cavalon, and he's your hench, he becomes a lvl 20.
Now why is that?
Simple gameplay rules, Boss characters must always be stronger than the player. Henchmen must be equal or lesser than the player.
Now lorewise, this is a very easy thing to explain (for me anyway), Argo in Boreas was not closer to the stars. Only after this did the Luxons learn of the plot of Shiro and a few Luxons decide to help you (your henchies), so they had to become Closer To The Stars like you to be able to fight Shiro. Those Closer to The Stars are all limited in strength (lvl 20 max cap and 200 attributes) but have exponential growth in intelligence (Skill points).
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So whats my point?
The reason we cant res "allies" and "npcs" is because thats not how the game mechanic of rezing works. It only works on fellow party members because thats how it fits into the gameplay. Resing NPCs would make some missions TOO EASY.
The reason is NOT "oh cause we're ascended", "oh we are chosen". Thats gibberish.
Ninetail Trickster
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NPCs are not superheroes. We are superheroes. Our souls don't leave our body when we die, our bodies are simply repaired.
The NPCs, all of them, including rurik, mhenlo and Il Liche himself, never ascended, never became weh so nub or fought any dragons and lived to tell the tale. We can be ressed because we posess uber powers. Henchmen can be ressed because they eh leech off of ur powers while we're there.. yeah! Allies can't be ressed because in those missions we eh, don't know who will be on the other side. SO eh we eh, don't know their anatomy stuff yet so we can't repair their dead bodies! See? it all makes sense |
Kaguya
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So monsters can res other monsters. Monster are not ascended. If unnascended monsters can res their pals, why can't we res our unnascended pals? If you can't understand me i'm giving up.
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You aren't ascended at Pre-Searing yet you can rez your dead teammate with rez signet. You can rez your dead teammates with rez signets and rez spells all the way from Old Ascalon to Kryta, and to the desert where you actually Ascend. Hurrrrrr.
aron searle
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What the heck does the ascension even have to do with all this?
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Alias_X
It affects the storyline. I would like to see some side quest explain why they can't be rezd though, because this take from the RP aspect.
Count to Potato
Especially in NPC quests like to Unwaking, if Menhlo or Togo dies you have to try again, if you were abel to res them their wouldn't be a diffuculty and you could run it