Todays Rant: Tomb of Primeval Kings

Daktarins Bane

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2006

Weak

N/Mo

After completing the tombs with my ranger time after time i became bored, then like magic the next day factions came out hoorah. I wont bore you on my, lets say, rather negative views on factions as a game, however low and behold this hugely versatile proffession is born, know as the assassin(Rit is awesome too, havent tested it much tho).

Now after making my critical barrager assassin i ventured off to the tomb of primeval kings expecting for people to throw themselves at my feet and beg them to join thier party, due to my insane energy regen, high damage and the little bonus of added bleeding.

I couldn't have been more wrong.

I struggle to find a party, when i HAVE found the extremely rare party leader who knows what critical barrager is, the rest of the team go "OMG OMG NOOB ASASIN KICK HIM OR I LEAVE" and thus it ends with me partyless or a destroyed party. I wish they could at least learn how to spell "asasin" before they shun me.

What is wrong with people? why do they refuse to try new things? or even listen to someone else before they write them off? If you ever see "Nataku Mononoke" running around the the tombs looking very angry then please invite me.

Your resident, non-suicidal, sin

Nataku
AKA
Daktarins
Epyon
Millardo

Numa Pompilius

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

A farmers life sure is hard.

Daktarins Bane

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2006

Weak

N/Mo

Who said i was a farmer? I dont do the tombs for the money, i've just completed all the storylines with my characters and think it makes a chance from the mundane ABs and Team arenas. Frankly the elite missions, tombs of kings and the underworld are the only decent things to do once you've completed the game in my eyes.

Blackhawk

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/

It's because the majority of people who play the Assassin are generally playing like an Ass which is unfortunately why no one wants you.

I suggest you make a team of crit barragers for tombs and post some screenshots of what you're capable of, only way to get people to change their minds.

Knightsaber Sith

Knightsaber Sith

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2006

Few Fallen Heroes [FFH]

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Daktarins Bane
After completing the tombs with my ranger time after time i became bored, then like magic the next day factions came out hoorah. I wont bore you on my, lets say, rather negative views on factions as a game, however low and behold this hugely versatile proffession is born, know as the assassin(Rit is awesome too, havent tested it much tho).

Now after making my critical barrager assassin i ventured off to the tomb of primeval kings expecting for people to throw themselves at my feet and beg them to join thier party, due to my insane energy regen, high damage and the little bonus of added bleeding.

I couldn't have been more wrong.

I struggle to find a party, when i HAVE found the extremely rare party leader who knows what critical barrager is, the rest of the team go "OMG OMG NOOB ASASIN KICK HIM OR I LEAVE" and thus it ends with me partyless or a destroyed party. I wish they could at least learn how to spell "asasin" before they shun me.

What is wrong with people? why do they refuse to try new things? or even listen to someone else before they write them off? If you ever see "Nataku Mononoke" running around the the tombs looking very angry then please invite me.

Your resident, non-suicidal, sin

Nataku
AKA
Daktarins
Epyon
Millardo

If you haven't noticed; the assassin happens to be the most hated creature in all of Tyria and Cantha atm. I agree that they can be good, but people just wont let them into their hearts . Soon enough everyone will be hating the Dervish even more (some already are) and take some attention off the sins.

Scavenger Rage

Scavenger Rage

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

Brazil

dTe - Do The Evolution

N/Mo

Its not their fault (not 100% at least ^^)...I TOO have an assassin (thought I don’t like it critical barrager since a first class ranger does A LOT more dmg and have infinite energy already with a zealous bow) and the class is hated everywhere I go.

Two things makes this happen:

1. a LOTTTTTT of people went for assassin first back when Factions was released, even thought they didn’t know the first thing about the game, SO this makes like 30 assassins per outpost, and 29 of those are completely stupid players that are simply a waste of the monks energy...

2. nowadays the hate towards assassins had grown a LOT because of "1", and this way there are not "cookie - cutter" builds that include the class, AND since 99% of the players of Guild Wars knows NOTHING but these builds and DO NOT try ANYTHING new EVER (especially on Urgoz, Deep and Tombs) they simply won’t accept sins on parties.

Nowadays I simply gave up of joining "non - guildies" parties at all, AND I gather most of my fun playing my sin actually soloing stuff!!! This because sins are NOT PVE made, and taking 2 or 3 mobs at once require a LOT more strategic thinking then doing it with a warrior or so...farming greens with my sin is a blast

IF u ever consider soloing and all, I would recommend you starting with Xuekao, his green does not worth much, BUT its kind of tricky to kill him alone with the sin and its a lot of fun (and fast since his just outside of the outpost portal).

Latter.

Big_Iron

Big_Iron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

The Edge

Tormented Weapons [emo]

I've spent a lot of time in Tombs with my Ranger, though not so much lately. I'd be more than willing to team up with you. I've never been with a critical barrager and would like to see the build in action. PM me and we'll try to get a team together.

Knightsaber Sith

Knightsaber Sith

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2006

Few Fallen Heroes [FFH]

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scavenger Rage
1. a LOTTTTTT of people went for assassin first back when Factions was released, even thought they didn’t know the first thing about the game, SO this makes like 30 assassins per outpost, and 29 of those are completely stupid players that are simply a waste of the monks energy... After Factions went live; I remember all the Naruto fanboys that dominated every outpost lol

Silent Kitty

Silent Kitty

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Netherlands

[TYW] "The Young World"

A/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scavenger Rage

IF u ever consider soloing and all, I would recommend you starting with Xuekao, his green does not worth much, BUT its kind of tricky to kill him alone with the sin and its a lot of fun (and fast since his just outside of the outpost portal).

Latter. Every sin who can kill that guy solo, is a good sin. I have done it, and it wasn't easy
The dagger is worth about 5K on open noob market, and some even think it's leet. It's worth it

Numa Pompilius

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Daktarins Bane
Who said i was a farmer? You do Tombs over and over as a barrage ranger for fun?
Besides, you're complaining about not being allowed in farming teams. That's all there is at Tombs.

Big_Iron

Big_Iron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

The Edge

Tormented Weapons [emo]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius
You do Tombs over and over as a barrage ranger for fun? I did. With a good group, it's a blast. Yeah, I made a ton of money at the same time, but is that a bad thing?

Xenrath

Xenrath

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

W/Me

I think you'll find the issue isn't about farming or tombs or even ranger skills. The sad reality is it's because of the Assassin part, which seems to be tremendously unwanted/unpopular at least in PvE.

The other day I even saw a monk at Nahpui "lfg that has no/smallest number of assassins". I made an assassin soon after release but deleted it as just couldn't get into groups. There are many threads on this but the concise version is: assassins have a stigma to them now, mainly as a result of lots of them trying to tank and dying. It looks like that stigma is here to stay, regardless of how good individual players may be at being an assassin.

Since it would be foolish to "educate the community" because forums are only a small percent of players; one "fix" could be to increase armour levels a little bit so they're not so fragile, another might be to add a teleport skill or two in the early game so new assassins learn to use those (i.e. change the tutorials so it does a step by step how to do hit'n'run rather than try to tank). However, since campaign characters won't get new skills etc in future I hold no hope for such an improvement.

I don't know why but I just have this hunch Dervish might go a similar route, unless their ability to kill/tank is by default better than their ability to die

lg5000

lg5000

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Australia

Just a thought... if afflicted didn't explode would assassins still be hated that much? I had the impression that it was that explosion that killed most of them, rather than their tankability, or lack of. And seeing as we ran into afflicted very early in factions, it would sort of make sense.

*is waiting till nightfall to pull her assassin out again*

lishi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

many people who dont know will not take you cause of your class

many people who know will not take you becouse a ranger barrage make more damage then a assasin barrage.

Jetdoc

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Daktarins Bane
Now after making my critical barrager assassin i ventured off to the tomb of primeval kings expecting for people to throw themselves at my feet and beg them to join thier party, due to my insane energy regen, high damage and the little bonus of added bleeding. Problems with a Critical Barrager in the Tombs...

1. No Spirits. Lack of ranger runes make your Favorable Winds and Winnowing just plain weaker and not worth carrying into Tombs. That makes you a liability to a team that wants backup spirits.

2. No Rebirth. The Tombs is one of those sticky places where, if you have one stupid move, half the party could get wiped.

3. Weaker armor. Again, if your MM has problems/gets killed, you are the next line of defense and, honestly, rangers are much more durable.

4. Mass Bleeding. Not so effective in Tombs, given the massive health of the enemies you're facing.

5. Energy. I've never heard of a Barrage ranger in Tombs with energy problems.

Don Zardeone

Don Zardeone

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

There's a difference between pugplay and normal play.

Pugplay: LFP, PLF Something blah blah
In pugplay people seem to be looking for what a profession is expected to do like...
- Warrior has to be a tank
- Ele has to be a nuker
- Necro has to be MM
- Monk has to be healer
- Rit has to do whatever, as long as he makes spirits pop up and does funky moves
- Ranger, assassin and mesmer seem to be the ones who are in the gray zone (unless ranger is barrage)

Now, what happens in pugplay is this:
- The warrior with mending, defences and other poop doesn't get hit at all because people just swarm around like mosquitos "I'm a good warrior because i'm the last one to die!!!"
- The nuker ele spams firestorms everywhere and people go "good nuking!!!"
- The necro summons 6 level 10 vampiric horrors and a mini flesh golem and people go like "lolz, it's a zoo out here XD!!!"
- The monk spams healing breezes and is like "I NEEDZ TEH ENERGIEZ"
... (the difference between the examples above and the examples below it that the ones above are predictable. You know that the ele is going to be nuker of some kind, the warrior will be some kind of semi-immortal thing, the necro will pump out minions and the monk will attempt to do some healing. Nobody knows what on earth a mesmer does, how to play alongside an assassin or care about which spirits are being deployed----> people would rather have lots of these guys than they would have assassins)
- The ranger is like "zomg nubs, lemme show you with my scouting powah" *pull*
- The rit is like "yo"
- The mesmer is like "mesmers kick ass but people are too stupid to know that" and then attempts to wand everything to death using absolutely zero things on his skillbar... except echo breeze
- And the assassin is like *WHOOSH* *SPLAT* "rez me noobs!"

^This information should be old news but for some reason, people seem to not see that other people have complained about this before so they don't know that pugging = asking for trouble.


If you play with fire, don't complain if it burns you X.x

Scavenger Rage

Scavenger Rage

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

Brazil

dTe - Do The Evolution

N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Zardeone

Now, what happens in pugplay is this:
- The warrior with mending, defences and other poop doesn't get hit at all because people just swarm around like mosquitos "I'm a good warrior because i'm the last one to die!!!"
- The nuker ele spams firestorms everywhere and people go "good nuking!!!"
- The necro summons 6 level 10 vampiric horrors and a mini flesh golem and people go like "lolz, it's a zoo out here XD!!!"
- The monk spams healing breezes and is like "I NEEDZ TEH ENERGIEZ"

- The ranger is like "zomg nubs, lemme show you with my scouting powah" *pull*
- The rit is like "yo"
- The mesmer is like "mesmers kick ass but people are too stupid to know that" and then attempts to wand everything to death using absolutely zero things on his skillbar... except echo breeze
- And the assassin is like *WHOOSH* *SPLAT* "rez me noobs!" HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Funniest thing i have ever read here ;D

AHAHAUWEHAEUHAUEHAUEH!!!!

Latter.

Big_Iron

Big_Iron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

The Edge

Tormented Weapons [emo]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Zardeone

- And the assassin is like *WHOOSH* *SPLAT* "rez me noobs!"
LMAO!!!

I can't stop laughing, only because it's so freaking true. I'm sorry, there are some really good Sins out there, but the majority of time this has been my experience. Still, my offer stands.

EDIT to add --> OMG, I'm still laughing. I can't stop. Must be because I'm so tired.

Count to Potato

Count to Potato

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Imagination Land

I Swear She Was Eighteen [Gwen]

W/

One question, why are u still doing Tombs? For me after like the 2nd time i stopped trying and kept my Ilyanas Staff and Milius' Pillar, i didn't fell like wasting my time when i could be farming with my rit

Legendary Shiz

Legendary Shiz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Zardeone
There's a difference between pugplay and normal play.

Pugplay: LFP, PLF Something blah blah
In pugplay people seem to be looking for what a profession is expected to do like...
- Warrior has to be a tank
- Ele has to be a nuker
- Necro has to be MM
- Monk has to be healer
- Rit has to do whatever, as long as he makes spirits pop up and does funky moves
- Ranger, assassin and mesmer seem to be the ones who are in the gray zone (unless ranger is barrage)

Now, what happens in pugplay is this:
- The warrior with mending, defences and other poop doesn't get hit at all because people just swarm around like mosquitos "I'm a good warrior because i'm the last one to die!!!"
- The nuker ele spams firestorms everywhere and people go "good nuking!!!"
- The necro summons 6 level 10 vampiric horrors and a mini flesh golem and people go like "lolz, it's a zoo out here XD!!!"
- The monk spams healing breezes and is like "I NEEDZ TEH ENERGIEZ"
... (the difference between the examples above and the examples below it that the ones above are predictable. You know that the ele is going to be nuker of some kind, the warrior will be some kind of semi-immortal thing, the necro will pump out minions and the monk will attempt to do some healing. Nobody knows what on earth a mesmer does, how to play alongside an assassin or care about which spirits are being deployed----> people would rather have lots of these guys than they would have assassins)
- The ranger is like "zomg nubs, lemme show you with my scouting powah" *pull*
- The rit is like "yo"
- The mesmer is like "mesmers kick ass but people are too stupid to know that" and then attempts to wand everything to death using absolutely zero things on his skillbar... except echo breeze
- And the assassin is like *WHOOSH* *SPLAT* "rez me noobs!"

^This information should be old news but for some reason, people seem to not see that other people have complained about this before so they don't know that pugging = asking for trouble.


If you play with fire, don't complain if it burns you X.x lawl

HoF plz

Hollerith

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

lol, it's a zoo... Classic.

I feel your pain. I brought my A/R barrager to the tombs not expecting to be welcomed, but at least figured some B/P-desperate groups would give me a shot. Didn't materialize, and had another A/R send me a tell that I wouldn't really be welcomed (was a big newsflash to me ). He then said "our kind is more welcomed over in Urgoz," which made me chuckle, almost like I had stumbled upon David Spade's fraternity in PCU.

It's a pity because there's tons of possibilities for good, specialized pve groups, but all people want are tanks/nukers/healers & nothing else (because the group would have less tanks/nukers/healers). MM's excluded.

lapsus

lapsus

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

AMO

A/

MM<SS......
But yeah we all feel the pain of the noob, and the curse that their stupidity has left us with.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Zardeone
and the rit is like "yo" is he like the new guy you add to your group just before you and your pals commit a heist of somesort? dane cook ftw

ubermancer

ubermancer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

******************* Refuge From Exile [RFE]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Zardeone
There's a difference between pugplay and normal play.

Pugplay: LFP, PLF Something blah blah
In pugplay people seem to be looking for what a profession is expected to do like...
- Warrior has to be a tank
- Ele has to be a nuker
- Necro has to be MM
- Monk has to be healer
- Rit has to do whatever, as long as he makes spirits pop up and does funky moves
- Ranger, assassin and mesmer seem to be the ones who are in the gray zone (unless ranger is barrage)

Now, what happens in pugplay is this:
- The warrior with mending, defences and other poop doesn't get hit at all because people just swarm around like mosquitos "I'm a good warrior because i'm the last one to die!!!"
- The nuker ele spams firestorms everywhere and people go "good nuking!!!"
- The necro summons 6 level 10 vampiric horrors and a mini flesh golem and people go like "lolz, it's a zoo out here XD!!!"
- The monk spams healing breezes and is like "I NEEDZ TEH ENERGIEZ"
... (the difference between the examples above and the examples below it that the ones above are predictable. You know that the ele is going to be nuker of some kind, the warrior will be some kind of semi-immortal thing, the necro will pump out minions and the monk will attempt to do some healing. Nobody knows what on earth a mesmer does, how to play alongside an assassin or care about which spirits are being deployed----> people would rather have lots of these guys than they would have assassins)
- The ranger is like "zomg nubs, lemme show you with my scouting powah" *pull*
- The rit is like "yo"
- The mesmer is like "mesmers kick ass but people are too stupid to know that" and then attempts to wand everything to death using absolutely zero things on his skillbar... except echo breeze
- And the assassin is like *WHOOSH* *SPLAT* "rez me noobs!"

^This information should be old news but for some reason, people seem to not see that other people have complained about this before so they don't know that pugging = asking for trouble.


If you play with fire, don't complain if it burns you X.x I vote for a sticky. (of that post, not the thread)

Celab

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

[VENT]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by ubermancer
I vote for a sticky. (of that post, not the thread) Seconded, i say we spam it to the mods and admins to post it as a sticky. Then we e-mail a-net.

pve-er

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Silent Kitty
Every sin who can kill that guy solo, is a good sin. I have done it, and it wasn't easy
The dagger is worth about 5K on open noob market, and some even think it's leet. It's worth it you make me feel good about my Sin, she solo Xuekao before

I just got my Cantha Protector title today, I feel good but it is a pain to achieve for the same old reason: hatred against Assassin.



I feel bad for Sin (not Ass) and Rt (a lot of people want to use Rt as monk)

joncoish

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

If you find it hard getting into groups with an assassin, that's what henchman are for. I don't know, maybe I'm an anomoly, but I'm finding it pretty easy to hench the missions in Factions with my assassin. Personally I think they kick ass, and they're great fun to play.

Priest Of Sin

Priest Of Sin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Sitting upon Kerrigan's Throne.

Live For The Swarm [ZERG]

Me/N

To those who don't have an Assassin, even an assassin in full FoW is still a noob assassin (Note that FoW armor doesn't necessarily make you "leet", but the fact that you GOT there to the armor guy, completed the quests, and protected the ghosts at the same time says something).

Demesis

Demesis

Banned

Join Date: May 2006

I have no problems finding groups with my assassin. I don't know what the hell you guys did, but you all must be really crappy assassins...

Effendi Westland

Effendi Westland

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Isle of the dead

[DVDF][LDS]

P/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Demesis
I have no problems finding groups with my assassin. I don't know what the hell you guys did, but you all must be really crappy assassins... Well aparently they did nothing as they never got in the groups....

|pyro|

|pyro|

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Me/

Smimmilar thing with healing Rt, Bonder + healer Ritual Lird is MUCH better then Bonder + Healer monk imo, if Rt has any idea what is he doing.