Who would like to see old Tyrian skins updated properly?

Mods - please excuse this transgression. I pm'd a mod in game about this particular thread, and I was given a green light to post it here.

Some of you may read other subforums in guild wars guru. What I'm to ask you all now here may ring familiar if you visit The Riverside Inn and check out the threads.

I received many negative comments in Riverside Inn, and I was beginning to wonder if it really was just me. The reason why I am presenting this particular gripe of mine here is not really because I think I'll receive more positive support (heck - just picking and choosing support is a ridiculous thing to do, also very self delusional) but because I was beginning to doubt my line of reasoning.

All of you guys that come to this forum are traders, in one way or another. You guys come here to buy and sell stuff, and get some things price checked - perhaps look out for that obscure item you've been hunting for all this time. I am wondering if my particular discontent may be something more that other regular traders may feel.

The issue I am talking about are repeat weapon skins for different weapon names. Here are a few examples (please give me more examples if you know of more):
Giant Slayer's Hammer - Ram's Hammer - Swamp Club
War Axe - Hatchet
Double Bladed Axe - Great Axe
Butterfly Sword - Wingblade Sword
War Hammer (vanilla skin) - Magmas Arm
Break Hammer - Dwarven Hammer
Shield of the Wing - Aegis
Defender - Tower Shield
Forked Sword - Spatha?
Falchion - Scimitar
Hand Axe - White Scythe - Krytan Axe

Ever since I was a newbie, I felt that my game really was in some way incomplete, simply because at first glance it seemed ANET was shipping me an unfinished product.

When I expressed my sentiment at Riverside Inn, I got many comments telling me that this was the way it was supposed to be. Same weapons - but called different names because of the different cultures across Tyria. This to me was counter-intuitive, but could be called logical reasoning. However, I'd really like to disagree. If I'm going to call it out, I'm going to say that ANET never got around to finishing real weapon skins for different weapons and simply patched on weapon skins since they couldn't show you a Bob the Builder icon without looking ridiculous.

I feel that ANET never got around to finishing weapon skins because only a small percentage of the population cares. Those are perfectionists, or traders who have taken interest to these rare weapons with cool names that are totally unremarkable due to ANET's lack of diligence and effort. Because there isn't a general population outcry (ie like there was for Gladiator's and Tormentor's) this unfinished business has not been fixed.

I am getting a lot of comments about ANET's business model and that they'll never work on prophecies again and etc. Well I think as a matter of principle and because we are their customers that this oversight should have been fixed long ago, ANET's announcement on giving up on Prophecies notwithstanding.

Many people have also told me that ANET does not have the time for this. Well like we all know (since new weapon skins excites us all very much and keeps us awake at night, I'm sure) ANET definitely has time and resources for new weapon skins. Look at the most recent update for example:
Golden Maul
Salient Daggers
(new axe skin - check other thread)
Gloom Shield (UW)
Grinning Recurve Bow (FoW)
Jade Sword
Guardian of the Hunt
- and maybe possibly more?

We know ANET has time. And resources. Something is holding them back - that may be because the game truly was meant to be half-arsed or they just don't care since the population doesn't care.

Finally, I'm getting a lot of accusations for purposefully being flamebait. I'm not. I'm a big lurker at gwgurus, mostly spending my time in Ventari's sell. I don't wanna be part of a flamefest, I dont particularly relish the idea of having people flame me.

So getting to the point, I ask you, my fellow traders. New weapon skins for Tyrian weapons deserved or no? Or were Hand Axes meant to look like Krytan Axes and White Scythes?

You think ANET ripped us off? Or are games supposed to have repeat weapon skins for different names?

Please give honest opinions, and thanks.

honestly i think having various names for the same weapon is not a bad idea.....having said that, not only does it sound cooler (for some weapons), its also mUch much Much MUCH Rarer than it sounds....cheers!

I think that res using weapon skins is just a shortcut to not put the full effort into the game, and its been done before in alot of other games. As well i agree with u 100% they should differ appearance since they are "different weapons" and it seems quite pointless not to have the different visible looks

chapter1 is done, move on...

seriously you expect them to keep updating and changing an old chapter? wont happen, Anet is a business so they need profit, to make profit they need ppl to buy the new chapters if they continue to update the old ones they are not encouraing ppl to move on and spend more money.

I can see the point of your arguement but nothing will be done about it.

I agree with you 99.99%. on this basis alone.

I've seen crystalline swords, that are purple, with +13% while hexed mods and 1 dmg off of minimum dmg, go for 500k. But perfect Gold Forked swords with 15/50 and -3 dmg recieved barely go for 100k, whats the difference? the skin, its not even that look of the skin, its that the forked sword shares the skin of atleast 2 other swords.
Thats just a fact of the videogaming world, ppl will pay more for something just to show off, than something thats more functional and it could be avoided if each weapon had individual skins.

But alas, like the previous poster said, chapter 1 is done and over with, not only are they working on nightfall and upgrading stuff in cantha still,they are working on the 4th installment right now. and to be honest i have to give anet credit for all the updates and new items that have started dropping in tyria even months after factions release, most company's wouldnt even update a previous chapter of a product after an expansion came out, let alone doing it when its a stand alone expansion.

so i guess my point is, its not worth the time to gripe over it now, yes there alot of repeat models in the first chapter, but as u can see the weapon models are much fancier in factions (check out the new line of aegies sheilds and celestial items for example) and they can only get better as more expansions come out, so i wouldnt go looking to start a petition to upgrade the first expansion, when theres anothers coming down the pike they need to be focusing on, its all about the progress and bringing in the new.

EDITTT:: I also need to add, that programming a game while working for a bigname company with deadlines, isnt exactly easy, im sure if anet had the time, every single item would be unique, but how much are u willing to bet that puch came to shove and the publisher wanted the game done asap, they probably had ideas for all those duplicate models but didnt have time to implement them so they just reskinned them. .Ive been under deadlines many a time, and i tell you, i cut shortcuts like crazy if i can afford to cut em, anything to get the product out, and i gotta say, Gw is a pretty decent product, reskinning not withstanding.

I dont think they will do anything now as admin said its old news now. What annoys me is for example the Swamp Club shares the same skin as the Rams Hammer. There is nothing remotely swampish about a hammer with a rams head on it. Would be nice if they changed them but I doubt they will now

So basically you guys think that its too late to do anything, and it would be nice, but I might as well forget about it? :/

was hoping this might hold more promise since ANET has already shown it to be more than possible to add new skins. updating them shouldn't be as much of a problem.

I completely agree with the OP and disagree with everyone saying prophecies should/wont be updated anymore. What, they can update all the skills as much as they want, but then other things have to remain the same?

Weapon skins determine the value of items far too much in the game. With more skins, items values will balance out more evenly. And duplicate skins, IMO are rediculous and should have been taken care of a long time ago. Anet is a business that has the responsibility to adhere to its customers.

I think that if they update them now alot of people will be really upset because they like the weapon the way it is, or becuz they sold them and it's now a desireable skin (as in the case of the swamp club being nasty and then being changed to a nice skin), some people like the fact that there's multiple names of rarity for the same skin. It's a nice thought but like Admins said, move on.

I think they HAD the potential to be great / amazing weapons. Take the Krytan axe for example, I have seen maybe 2 maximum perfect ones EVER. I have seen more 15>50 / 15-10Al Crystalline swords than I have perfect Krytan Axes, Swamp Clubs, Dwarven Hammers etc.

It would be nice for them to have had a different skin and maybe they could be a very high-end pve found weapon so any pve-er could get one.

Atm they still can achieve 100k + prices just for the name. To have an awsome skin aswell could mean they would be worth alot more.

However, no matter how much I want Anet to do something it wont happen. Anet have had the chance for over a year now to change them but have still not. They have been working hard on Chapter 2 and now Chapter 3 and I honestly cant see them setting aside ALOT of working hours which costs them money to change a few skins.

The average player does not care about them. The only people who do are collectors of rare skinned / named items. They are in a minority and for Anet to spend money getting people to redesign skins for only a few people to benefit from would seem pointless.

Dont get me wrong I wish they would have been changed but sadly I think it will not happen. As someone said Anet is a business and it is not cost effective to spend a number of hours redesigning skins for only a very small number's benefit from. I have a large number of these type of weapons with perfect stats so through changing the skins I would stand possibly to make alot of gold. But even then I dont think it will happen

I disagree with this particular argument.

The counterexamples I'd bring to this would be greens in particular. When greens came out there was massive devaluation across the board. This is the same when gold quality was upped as well. Those players who had once valuable items found the worth of their items drop by multiple amounts.

But ANET didn't really care. That's why it was changed.

I do not think that multiple names for 1 skin is a feature. It's not a bug, since it is very intentional, but I believe it was a product of meeting the deadline and -we will probably fix later- issue.

Others disagree, but that's the only way I can see it. No company in their right mind would pull that kind of stunt and then try to tout it as some sort of feature, because it really is not.

Hey Herbie -

I do not think this is a case of ANET's cost effective-ness. I illustrated my refutation of that particular line of logic by pointing towards the most recent update where new skins for Cantha were introduced.

I think this example is enough to show that ANET does have the extra staff needed for this endeavor, and that they are not relegated to some other forthcoming chapter.

EDIT by milias: Please do NOT double post. I'm deleting, not editing, next time.

Well if you read several statements made by ANet it seems pretty obvious that they DON'T want super high value weapons as it increases ebaying (and I don't see how anyone can argue that as there are tons of nubs that won't take the time to actually earn or work towards things), also greens were introduced to "balance" things, as they have also stated. Plus greens really didn't affect true trading that much, as there used to be alot of real collectors and such in the game who didn't care for greens at all. On the other had they HAVE changed items as you're suggesting and it DID upset alot of people (as in nerfed items) and they continue to nerf items. If I knew I once had an item that was worth very little and was changed to become very valuable and desireable, I would be very upset and that's WAY different from the introduction of greens. PLUS on the top of that what Admin said was a few good points also.

I honestly don't see it happening at all, and most seem to agree so I honestly think it's a matter that just needs to be closed.

see , i have to disagree on this point, as i stated, factions is the NEWest expansion, so yes, they could see the need to introduce new skins, just bc they did for factions, doesnt mean that they can for prophecies, especially when we know that they work on TWO NEW EXPANSIONS at a time. Let me just make this clear, when it comes to this business, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS EXTRA STAFF, there just isnt, people get laid off ALL the time, even when the game they are working on is experiencing profit. What goes for the goose, doesnt go for the gander (as my moms would say), just bc new skins came out for factions, doesnt mean they had EXTRA staff to make new skins for prophecies.

I agree with Yun on this... I have been waiting for over a year for these updates.

Update weapon skins? How about something simple, like more STORAGE

We just had a storage update. -.-

I agree with you fully, Yun, but because we are a minority, it will never be done. I don't even think the STORY of Proph was done. They also had way too much "scenery" such as the floating castle by Verata. That would be an awesome outpost.

In reply to people getting mad about their weapons being nerfed because their hand axe now looks different, one, ANET never cared to anger people, two, they could simply pull a major rune thing and make all drops AS OF NOW the new kind.

And yes, they CAN afford to go back and change things. I know a lot of people from Proph who refuse to buy Factions and still play the original. Each game has certain groups who just prefer that certain one and will play it no matter what, and should be treated equally.

Phrophecies never got a storage update

i personally would like to see some new skins, they could even run a wee competition and let the top 5 or so new skins for each weapon type be patched into the game :P

just my useless piece of input lol

cyas

I remember this topic on the other forum. I disagree with this. I believe someone from the other post said something like this:
The weapons are named appropriately for the area they are in. For example, the Swamp Club drops in a swampy area, so it would be called that. Same with the Krytan axe. It would be called a Krytan axe in kryta, while someone else that saw it elsewhere would just consider it a hand axe, and its called a White Scythe if the white mantle drop it because they would refer to it pertaining to them, the WHITE mantle. If you look through the list, most if not all the skins make sense when looking at them in this way.