23 Aug 2006 at 21:29 - 20
The truth about henchmen is that they reflect the skill of the player(s). The typical GW player has bad experiences with henchmen because the person is incompetent at playing even their own single character, and has no business leading a group of 7 other idiot-AI party members. Good players (or, at least decent ones) have no problem beating most or all of the game with henchies because they understand the game mechanics (either conciously or subconciously), they're familiar with the monsters and their skills, and they understand how henchmen work.
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I've been in groups where they knew exactly what they were doing (I was totally clueless with the mission) and we did missions like they were nothing.
This isn't to flame you at all, but in my opinion this situation occurs too often. Good, experienced people that essentially do the mission for less experienced players is a disservice to everyone. The inexperienced person completes the mission, but doesn't really gain much understanding of how the mission works, the appropriate strategies to use, and most importantly, they don't actually get any better, because they were just led around by people who already knew how to beat the mission. Example: The first time I did Vizunah Square, I was essentially run through it by my friend. He assembled the 'perfect' (cookie-cutter) group, he lead the group, and we completed the mission with a master's rating with absolutely no problems. Problem is, I didn't really learn anything. Oh, I knew the basics - there are areas where you just stand there, afflicted spawn in waves from certain points, you kill them all, there's a boss, and then you run to the next seige area, fighting am fah along the way. I'm still very thankful to my friend for essentially doing it for me, because at that time it was important to do things quickly and smoothly. However, in order to really *understand* the mission to the point where I could confidently lead a group through it, I had to go back and do this mission with henchmen, by myself, and work through each fight.
Maybe some of you are extremely fast at picking up things and only need to have the mission done for you, a single time, for you to learn everything there is to know. I highly doubt that's true for anyone, but even if such a player exists, they are the extreme minority. For everyone else, having the mission done for you by people who know what they are doing can prevent you from learning what you should, and I highly recommend everyone to try to beat the game on their own at least once.
24 Aug 2006 at 01:25 - 21
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Originally Posted by Yanman.be
That's not hard...solo means solo. Not with henchies.
agreed, the first time i ever did hell's precipice was on my warrior/ranger, carrying winter, and i henched it
24 Aug 2006 at 14:20 - 22
and here I thought someone actually had a solo build for HP 
24 Aug 2006 at 22:12 - 23
And I thought someone had soloed the whole game with a warrior.. rename the thread to "Hell's precipice with henchmen" or something please..
25 Aug 2006 at 06:57 - 24
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Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki
I need to do research on hench-way, sounds good.
Humans suck as teammates.... 
what about your guildmates?  and don't try to assure me about you don't have any good PUGs in the whole game.
25 Aug 2006 at 15:01 - 25
Meh, beat Tombs with just henchies and then you can brag. Hell's Precipe is easier with henchies than with most PuGs. And yes, I've beaten Tombs with just Henchmen.
27 Aug 2006 at 23:33 - 26
lol yeah tombs is fun =] but missions with henches is old.. used to be something way back when guildwars came out mid 2005- not many could do it.. old news for most of us though- I used to do hells for money back then 10k a trip
took my rit through prophecies solo recently though- no henches just the rit (took some screens along the way).. sorry bout the builds being taken out- I don't give out my builds on forums anymore.. just ends up being copied and nerfed
but anyway when I got to thirsty river with my rit, I was suprised to see it packed with newbs running the mission for 5k- using IWAY! I had to bring the warrior out of retirement and see if I could still solo the thing.. all I can say is iway and touch ranger pretty much brand you a newb- don't go that way if you ride the longer bus 
thirsty river pics
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/5374/thir1ng4.jpg
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/617/thir2jr8.jpg
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/4562/thir3of2.jpg
my rit drooling over a drop I could'nt get to in riverside solo
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/5629/ritsyad2.jpg
me and pirates clan messin around in tombs is alot of fun (even though off topic lol- so much easier with real people who have a brain!)
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1040/tombsjw3.jpg
28 Aug 2006 at 00:47 - 27
I've never seen a gold white scythe however u spell it but i have had gold drop in the towers too and walking all the way around the base has always let me pick them up.
I have 4 chars with Tyrian GM Cartographer and I agree only ROF is really tough with henchies so I always PUGed that one. I'd tell the team for the bonus we needed to clear all the way to the seer so I could map it 
28 Aug 2006 at 01:06 - 28
ah I gotta try that.. just went and finished the mission but by that time the drop was unassigned
yeah that rof can get hairy =] still wanted to see the mods on that scythe
28 Aug 2006 at 02:12 - 29
[QUOTE=Pick Me] In some cases, a human monk is almost needed (only to heal stupid NPCs because henchies won't). \QUOTE]
just a correction here, henches will heal NPC's. i used to run the Kilroy quest alot in search for a dwarven axe drop, and Mhenlo did indeed heal crazy Kilroy, lol...
as for the OP, yeah, i dont mean to sound mean or bad, but IMHO, i agree, 90% or more of the players i've ever encountered in GW were "noobs" in some way, shape or form. i completed all missions in prophecies with henches-only with my Wammo, Necro and Ranger. i cant do it with my monk however, cuz my armor sucks and they try to kill me first.
28 Aug 2006 at 04:00 - 30
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Originally Posted by Mustache Mayhem
but anyway when I got to thirsty river with my rit, I was suprised to see it packed with newbs running the mission for 5k- using IWAY! I had to bring the warrior out of retirement and see if I could still solo the thing.. all I can say is iway and touch ranger pretty much brand you a newb- don't go that way if you ride the longer bus
thirsty river pics
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/5374/thir1ng4.jpg
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/617/thir2jr8.jpg
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/4562/thir3of2.jpg
um . . . .
no offense, but that build isn't a secret :
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/W/Mo_Thirsty_River_Rusher
you dont have to white out your stuff :P
28 Aug 2006 at 08:38 - 31
hehe that's not my build.. not even close- builds I've always made myself and are much much better than that.. my builds old can't say even looked at the forums for builds but the aggro looks right except for leaving josso last
my builds are tweaked for the missions- there's no cookie cutter.. funny though blame rachtoh and his fow spider thread- seems everyone thinks dolyak and watch yourself is the only thing out there to tank with =] that's not a bonus build either
28 Aug 2006 at 09:25 - 32
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Originally Posted by Age
There is one mission that really can't be henched and that is the RoF we used Hench Monk and they keep diening in the lava pits I had to keep ressing them all the time with my Warrior.(...)
I play Monk and am better than they are don't question me.
Nah, I henched Ring of Fire with my W/Me. Sure the lava pits were annoying, so I decided to go straight through the keep, not the long way around. Carefull pulling (which is always hard with the henchies!) managed to fullfill both bonus and mission there. It took ages though.
Dragon's Lair didn't take any longer with henchies than with my usual group... and once you understand how Glint works - the bonus was done in seconds. (Almost).
I may be that since I play a warrior I have more control over the damage the party inflicts though... and I know it's a completely different playstyle, as I truly SUCK at playing a monk... my Mo/E ended up "pretending" to be an E/Mo - which is rather stupid with all the energy wasting spells of the E's
29 Aug 2006 at 02:00 - 33
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Originally Posted by Mustache Mayhem
hehe that's not my build.. not even close- builds I've always made myself and are much much better than that.. my builds old can't say even looked at the forums for builds but the aggro looks right except for leaving josso last
my builds are tweaked for the missions- there's no cookie cutter.. funny though blame rachtoh and his fow spider thread- seems everyone thinks dolyak and watch yourself is the only thing out there to tank with =] that's not a bonus build either
yea, both teh builds probaly do the same thing, making one more better then the other i guess? one is hidden, one is public, that is the difference, one is released to public to help out other people, while one downs the public build to make theirs "secret" and says its superior,the public one can obtain bonus as well, but i bet your build is very similar to it, you have 2 enchantments whited out, and looks like the -2 while enchanted green it looks like you have, w/mo's go along the same basis it seems
29 Aug 2006 at 02:04 - 34
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Originally Posted by Skuld
And I thought someone had soloed the whole game with a warrior.. rename the thread to "Hell's precipice with henchmen" or something please..
I was like ZOMG RACTHOH IS A GENIOUS but then I noticed it wasn't an uber leet build Racthoh made to solo prophecies.
29 Aug 2006 at 02:24 - 35
Every single mission and bonus can be done with henchmen without using any sort of special build for it (at least as a dagger assassin).
Doing missions solo-solo upto kryta is easy for everyone, through to the desert a few would give you a little bit of a headache at times, the desert two of the missions would be pretty hard for any non-warrior I'd think (with dunes being the first where the mission+bonus is probably impossible with a single person).
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