A Mesmer's Lament
Thorin
ZenRgy
I feel your pain.
I advertise as a fast-cast nuker though.
I advertise as a fast-cast nuker though.
boxterduke
Thats why I do not even bother with pugs.
I just take henches or go with the guild.
Notice this though when Nightfall comes out.
For the first 2-3 weeks of the new chapter, people will just add you to groups without you asking to get into any.
I played with my Mesmer first in Factions and I had no trouble getting into groups.
I just take henches or go with the guild.
Notice this though when Nightfall comes out.
For the first 2-3 weeks of the new chapter, people will just add you to groups without you asking to get into any.
I played with my Mesmer first in Factions and I had no trouble getting into groups.
RotteN
mesmers ftw 
i always take henchies though
i always take henchies though
Zakarr
I have finished Chapter 1 with mesmer and it wasn't that hard. When playing in the evening (GMT +2.00), there is more open-minded people and you will get a chance in pugs too. One warrior didn't even complain when I resurrected him with Vengeance because there wasn't enchanment removers and MoR made it possible to raise him instantly.
Phenixfire
well, a golden guideline:
PuGs suck ... Henchs own ^^
Henchs have all the advantages pougs dont have ... they follow your calls, withdraw when you do ( only in few cases they dont ), they rezz instantly, faction ones even have conditon and hex removal, smth an avarage monk NEVER has -.-
the avarage pug is just plain stupid ... thinks he knows better what to do than anyone else, why listen to others then and work as a team ^^ ...
they consider mesmers, one of the elite classes of the game, to be useless 'because everyone does so' ..
if you can, do your stuff with henchs. if you cant do that, do it with friends. if you cant do that, do it with guildies. if you cant do that, disco and wait a bit until friends or guildies are online .... take pugs only as a last resort or if you are the group leader and have kick-power on your side -.-
PuGs suck ... Henchs own ^^
Henchs have all the advantages pougs dont have ... they follow your calls, withdraw when you do ( only in few cases they dont ), they rezz instantly, faction ones even have conditon and hex removal, smth an avarage monk NEVER has -.-
the avarage pug is just plain stupid ... thinks he knows better what to do than anyone else, why listen to others then and work as a team ^^ ...
they consider mesmers, one of the elite classes of the game, to be useless 'because everyone does so' ..
if you can, do your stuff with henchs. if you cant do that, do it with friends. if you cant do that, do it with guildies. if you cant do that, disco and wait a bit until friends or guildies are online .... take pugs only as a last resort or if you are the group leader and have kick-power on your side -.-
Avarre
Eh, teams that don't see the usefulness of a domination mesmer aren't teams I'd want to play with anyway 
It's also better to make the teams, then they can't kick the mesmer!
It's also better to make the teams, then they can't kick the mesmer!
Hyper Cutter
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Originally Posted by Thorin
lol, especially the devourer part.
Thorin
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Yeah, that's what I was forced to do with my assassin when I first started Factions. There were 80 of them in every town, and 90% of them didn't know how to use an assassin.
cosyfiep
my guild is small.....my mesmer cant get thru eternal grove....ARRRRGHHHHHH!
and its not an easily hench-able mission either.....Tyria was all henchable with 2 people (even THK can be done pretty easily with henchies)...but not some of these ......anyone want to help my mesmer thru eternal grove? she wants to get some pretty armor in vasburg armory......oh well.....hope my guidees come thru (my monk is helping out the guildee assassin so I should at least get his help ya'dthink).
and its not an easily hench-able mission either.....Tyria was all henchable with 2 people (even THK can be done pretty easily with henchies)...but not some of these ......anyone want to help my mesmer thru eternal grove? she wants to get some pretty armor in vasburg armory......oh well.....hope my guidees come thru (my monk is helping out the guildee assassin so I should at least get his help ya'dthink).
CHUIU
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Originally Posted by boxterduke
Thats why I do not even bother with pugs.
I just take henches or go with the guild.
Notice this though when Nightfall comes out.
For the first 2-3 weeks of the new chapter, people will just add you to groups without you asking to get into any.
I played with my Mesmer first in Factions and I had no trouble getting into groups. Maybe its just me but I would rather bring a Dom mesmer than a fast cast nuker.
I just take henches or go with the guild.
Notice this though when Nightfall comes out.
For the first 2-3 weeks of the new chapter, people will just add you to groups without you asking to get into any.
I played with my Mesmer first in Factions and I had no trouble getting into groups. Maybe its just me but I would rather bring a Dom mesmer than a fast cast nuker.
Gwmaster
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Originally Posted by cosyfiep
my guild is small.....my mesmer cant get thru eternal grove....ARRRRGHHHHHH!
and its not an easily hench-able mission either.....Tyria was all henchable with 2 people (even THK can be done pretty easily with henchies)...but not some of these ......anyone want to help my mesmer thru eternal grove? she wants to get some pretty armor in vasburg armory......oh well.....hope my guidees come thru (my monk is helping out the guildee assassin so I should at least get his help ya'dthink). get a ritual lord..they are pretty good at that mission.if you need help look at my chars name on the left
and its not an easily hench-able mission either.....Tyria was all henchable with 2 people (even THK can be done pretty easily with henchies)...but not some of these ......anyone want to help my mesmer thru eternal grove? she wants to get some pretty armor in vasburg armory......oh well.....hope my guidees come thru (my monk is helping out the guildee assassin so I should at least get his help ya'dthink). get a ritual lord..they are pretty good at that mission.if you need help look at my chars name on the left
Racthoh
Unless the mesmer is interrupting Reversal of Fortune like Erys Varsburg, I see no reason not to take the henchmen over a PC.
Derek413
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Originally Posted by Racthoh
Unless the mesmer is interrupting Reversal of Fortune like Erys Varsburg, I see no reason not to take the henchmen over a PC.
Why interupt it when you can Diversion it?
Why interupt it when you can Diversion it?
eVeRt
I played through faction with my mesmer as an interrupter(simply because I loved playing that) and I actually got alot of compliments about my interrupting. Aflicted Elementalists were my biggest friends. Ahhh the good times.
Two April Mornings
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Originally Posted by Racthoh
Unless the mesmer is interrupting Reversal of Fortune like Erys Varsburg, I see no reason not to take the henchmen over a PC.
really, if u could henchway anything, even HA with Erys, you could dominate (heh).
To the OP, i feel the pain.
really, if u could henchway anything, even HA with Erys, you could dominate (heh).To the OP, i feel the pain.
Thorin
Well I love my mesmer, and just for the record, I didn't kill her. She's still alive and kicking, screaming at times. I was capping power block and midnight signet not too long ago, and came across a group of hydra. I interrupted all of their meteor showers. Now most people in a group wouldn't even know that I did that. They just don't know how kickass a mesmer can actually be.
I think I'm going to venture into Cantha with her and get some Kurzick armor.
I think I'm going to venture into Cantha with her and get some Kurzick armor.
Gigashadow
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Originally Posted by Derek413
Why interupt it when you can Diversion it?
Because NPCs die so quickly it doesn't matter.
Mesmers had it better in Tyria, where there annoying single bosses were more prevalent. In Cantha there's a lot more zerg type encounters, where the precision tool of a domination mesmer isn't as useful. Although PvE is so easy you can still hench almost anything, even with no skills on your bar at all.
In Cantha when hencing things, I tend to go illusion and power myself with Mantra of Recall, and just lay down degens on everything (as our degen ability got buffed hugely with Images of Remorse. Even Conjure Nightmare is ok with a good energy engine).
Because NPCs die so quickly it doesn't matter.Mesmers had it better in Tyria, where there annoying single bosses were more prevalent. In Cantha there's a lot more zerg type encounters, where the precision tool of a domination mesmer isn't as useful. Although PvE is so easy you can still hench almost anything, even with no skills on your bar at all.
In Cantha when hencing things, I tend to go illusion and power myself with Mantra of Recall, and just lay down degens on everything (as our degen ability got buffed hugely with Images of Remorse. Even Conjure Nightmare is ok with a good energy engine).
Age
How is Nightfall going to change all this though?
Phenixfire
well, it won't ...
mesmers are crap .. that has been the opinion of most players right from the start .. if it aint broke, dont fix it... means as long as you can do without mesmers, they remain crap in the minds of PuGs
mesmers are crap .. that has been the opinion of most players right from the start .. if it aint broke, dont fix it... means as long as you can do without mesmers, they remain crap in the minds of PuGs
ryanryanryan0310
there still the sexiest character models(females) in GW..
Just give them a pole and watch them work....
Just give them a pole and watch them work....
Bryant Again
Hah, try playing as an assassin. NO ONE will like you.
cosyfiep
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Originally Posted by Gwmaster
get a ritual lord..they are pretty good at that mission.if you need help look at my chars name on the left
thanks for the offer....my guildee came thru and I got my new armor! now for some dye...........................
thanks for the offer....my guildee came thru and I got my new armor! now for some dye...........................
Goats17
Hmm........I take mesmer's whenever I can. I know their power.
Senator Tom
Mesmers suck in PvE...
Straight pure damage is better in PvE than the Mesmer's degen. As for the domination skills, well energy denial just isnt that effective in PvE. They can interrupt, but so can Rangers, and rangers can also do more straight damage.
Diversion for example, lenghtnes the recharge of the next skill the enemy uses...well sure thats cool and all but the monster will hopefully die in less than 30 seconds.
Straight pure damage is better in PvE than the Mesmer's degen. As for the domination skills, well energy denial just isnt that effective in PvE. They can interrupt, but so can Rangers, and rangers can also do more straight damage.
Diversion for example, lenghtnes the recharge of the next skill the enemy uses...well sure thats cool and all but the monster will hopefully die in less than 30 seconds.
some guy
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Originally Posted by Phenixfire
well, a golden guideline:
PuGs suck ... Henchs own ^^
Henchs have all the advantages pougs dont have ... they follow your calls, withdraw when you do ( only in few cases they dont ), they rezz instantly, faction ones even have conditon and hex removal, smth an avarage monk NEVER has -.-
the avarage pug is just plain stupid ... thinks he knows better what to do than anyone else, why listen to others then and work as a team ^^ ...
they consider mesmers, one of the elite classes of the game, to be useless 'because everyone does so' ..
if you can, do your stuff with henchs. if you cant do that, do it with friends. if you cant do that, do it with guildies. if you cant do that, disco and wait a bit until friends or guildies are online .... take pugs only as a last resort or if you are the group leader and have kick-power on your side -.- PuGs aren't that bad, if they are experienced players who know what they are doing.
PuGs suck ... Henchs own ^^
Henchs have all the advantages pougs dont have ... they follow your calls, withdraw when you do ( only in few cases they dont ), they rezz instantly, faction ones even have conditon and hex removal, smth an avarage monk NEVER has -.-
the avarage pug is just plain stupid ... thinks he knows better what to do than anyone else, why listen to others then and work as a team ^^ ...
they consider mesmers, one of the elite classes of the game, to be useless 'because everyone does so' ..
if you can, do your stuff with henchs. if you cant do that, do it with friends. if you cant do that, do it with guildies. if you cant do that, disco and wait a bit until friends or guildies are online .... take pugs only as a last resort or if you are the group leader and have kick-power on your side -.- PuGs aren't that bad, if they are experienced players who know what they are doing.
Avarre
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Originally Posted by Senator Tom
Straight pure damage is better in PvE than the Mesmer's degen. As for the domination skills, well energy denial just isnt that effective in PvE. They can interrupt, but so can Rangers, and rangers can also do more straight damage.
Diversion for example, lenghtnes the recharge of the next skill the enemy uses...well sure thats cool and all but the monster will hopefully die in less than 30 seconds.
You've also missed a large function of mesmers pve skills - domination has several straight damage skills as well that are comparable to fire nukes. Ranger interrupts are also focused - they have nothing that competes with Cry in terms of tearing down a group.
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Unless the mesmer is interrupting Reversal of Fortune like Erys Varsburg, I see no reason not to take the henchmen over a PC.
...And that's why I take warrior henchmen, Lukas Vasburg has a smaller ego than PC wars... He can also spell better.
As a final note, using PuG opinion to judge the usefulness of something in PvE is similar to using RA to test the metagame in PvP.
He can also spell better.As a final note, using PuG opinion to judge the usefulness of something in PvE is similar to using RA to test the metagame in PvP.
NinjaKai
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Originally Posted by Senator Tom
Mesmers suck in PvE...
Straight pure damage is better in PvE than the Mesmer's degen. As for the domination skills, well energy denial just isnt that effective in PvE. They can interrupt, but so can Rangers, and rangers can also do more straight damage.
Diversion for example, lenghtnes the recharge of the next skill the enemy uses...well sure thats cool and all but the monster will hopefully die in less than 30 seconds. If you have nothing actually constructive to say. YOu shouldn't say anything at all. This seems like a blatent attempt to stir up aggro.
Straight pure damage is better in PvE than the Mesmer's degen. As for the domination skills, well energy denial just isnt that effective in PvE. They can interrupt, but so can Rangers, and rangers can also do more straight damage.
Diversion for example, lenghtnes the recharge of the next skill the enemy uses...well sure thats cool and all but the monster will hopefully die in less than 30 seconds. If you have nothing actually constructive to say. YOu shouldn't say anything at all. This seems like a blatent attempt to stir up aggro.
Aejorii
I play a mesmer in PvE also and their build or role is generally very specific. That ofcourse is for the first chapter, but in factions, there is SO many large mobs that the need for surgical single target elimination becomes pointless. Might aswell get a nuker or SS necro, because they all die pretty quick.
Not to say mesmers suck in PvE; no they don't. Just other professions get the job done quicker, more efficiently in many many areas. In terms of damage, a nuker or an SS necro does far more AoE then a mesmer can do. In terms of interruption a simple Barrage ranger carrying Savage and Distracting can be more effective in interruption on a spammable scale while inflicting a decent amount of damage with barrage. Ofcourse, a mesmer with 4 interrupts and Mantra of Recovery can do a hellish amounts of interrupts, but that build becomes built ENTIRELY to do that, limiting it's own versatility to do anything else.
When I play a known pve mission or quest, I ask myself what's going to help the team the most? straight up damage ala FS fire or an interrupt mesmer where we fight a mixed amount of melee/casters?.
Most of the time the answer is the first one where killing the mob as fast as we can.
It's all perspective though, play the game how you like it and get your $50 worth out of it
Edit: Oh, I laughed pretty hard at the picture there.
Pretty much sums up how mesmers feel in the pve realm :P
Not to say mesmers suck in PvE; no they don't. Just other professions get the job done quicker, more efficiently in many many areas. In terms of damage, a nuker or an SS necro does far more AoE then a mesmer can do. In terms of interruption a simple Barrage ranger carrying Savage and Distracting can be more effective in interruption on a spammable scale while inflicting a decent amount of damage with barrage. Ofcourse, a mesmer with 4 interrupts and Mantra of Recovery can do a hellish amounts of interrupts, but that build becomes built ENTIRELY to do that, limiting it's own versatility to do anything else.
When I play a known pve mission or quest, I ask myself what's going to help the team the most? straight up damage ala FS fire or an interrupt mesmer where we fight a mixed amount of melee/casters?.
Most of the time the answer is the first one where killing the mob as fast as we can.
It's all perspective though, play the game how you like it and get your $50 worth out of it
Edit: Oh, I laughed pretty hard at the picture there.
Pretty much sums up how mesmers feel in the pve realm :P
Huntster
I have only had factions for a little while now (don't have the first one) and with my 4th character slot made a Mesmer.
I have to say it is my favorite character so far. Made a Rit and a Sin with the first two then decided to make a monk since everyone needs a monk in their party.
I haven't found any problems finding groups with my Mesmer.
I have to say it is my favorite character so far. Made a Rit and a Sin with the first two then decided to make a monk since everyone needs a monk in their party.
I haven't found any problems finding groups with my Mesmer.
broodijzer
even if the pugs DO accept you they still want you to stay away at cinematics..
bulletsmile
you know, when this mesmers isn't the first thing normal pug teams pick up topics like these pop-ups most of the people here tells stuff like: mesmers ftw, people who don't like mesmers isn't good etc
so it seems there is few of them or just that only "good" players like mesmers, i myself loves mesmers cos they got plenty of counters and degen and fast cast and support and and and...
so it seems there is few of them or just that only "good" players like mesmers, i myself loves mesmers cos they got plenty of counters and degen and fast cast and support and and and...
Jeff Highwind
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Hah, try playing as an assassin. NO ONE will like you.
THANK YOU! Even if you know how to play it, no one picks up Sins. Especially at Unwaking Waters (I had to equip a Staff and Conjure Phantasm to fight Kunnavang).
Yanman.be
Zomg Jeff use AoD and float in mid air!
Vermilion
Well I made my mes after my monk, and using henchies is far too much work for me after always being able to get groups..but I actually got through all of factions with the best kind of pugs..random ones. When its 9am, people will take anybody..I always end up in groups with 4 people LFM and we'll end up with 8 and not have any monks or take henchies, and do fine anyway.
Whats funny is that Im not a good mes at all, I just like spamming shatter hex on warriors.
Whats funny is that Im not a good mes at all, I just like spamming shatter hex on warriors.
Avarre
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Originally Posted by Vermilion
Whats funny is that Im not a good mes at all, I just like spamming shatter hex on warriors.
That makes you better than a good deal of mesmers, since shatter is one of the best pve mesmer skills Now you just need some more dom skills, some interrupts, and you're set..
RotteN
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Hah, try playing as an assassin. NO ONE will like you.
that's cause 90% of the assa's in pve are, sadly enough, utter retards. I remember making a group with my assa, got some guildies to get it started, and i decided to pick that other poor "LFG" spamming assa guy in aswell. After 5 mobs or so he already died 7 times 
i didn't die once that mission
i didn't die once that mission
Mavrik
Only character I ever beat chapter 1 with was a mesmer. They are awsome.